Job Vision: Watch paint dry

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Originally Posted by Razushu

I have to agree with you on Avatar's Favor it was the most underwhelming job adjustment in the history of this game, it's the best example of too much cost for too little reward. But that was 2 years ago and SE seems to have changed since 80 cap I haven't felt like SE's red headed stepchild.

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You know, at the time Favor was introduced, it was hailed as a great job ability for Summoner. It was worth the lower 2 perp cost to give up minimal stats that you can now Carby Kite NMs to death, like anything 95+ at 75. Which I did, a lot, on the new NMs that later came to play. Specially ones that would kill any zerg stratagy alliance with just spike spells alone.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

You know, at the time Favor was introduced, it was hailed as a great job ability for Summoner. It was worth the lower 2 perp cost to give up minimal stats that you can now Carby Kite NMs to death, like anything 95+ at 75. Which I did, a lot, on the new NMs that later came to play. Specially ones that would kill any zerg stratagy alliance with just spike spells alone.

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I could Carby kite already, before Favor I was getting +1mp per tick on him/her back then. I was super impressed by the ability when it was announced but in reality it fell flat on it's face, aside from very niche uses.

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Originally Posted by Razushu

I could Carby kite already, before Favor I was getting +1mp per tick on him/her back then. I was super impressed by the ability when it was announced but in reality it fell flat on it's face, aside from very niche uses.

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Well, having 4 free avatars with favor up gave you some options.

Like having Fenrir and his higher def and HP to survive longer, and some fights, the avatars didn't last as long as the timers allowed either.

Or Garuda and her strength against wind damage.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Well, having 4 free avatars with favor up gave you some options.

Like having Fenrir and his higher def and HP to survive longer, and some fights, the avatars didn't last as long as the timers allowed either.

Or Garuda and her strength against wind damage.

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Only things I found favor useful for was mainhealing, I'd have Carby out meleeing on the mob giving Regen to the melees and refresh, either for other party members or the odd time when I'd die and resting wasn't an option I'd summon Diabolos and hit Astral Flow and Favor while moving to get my MP back up to decent levels.

I didn't use favor for soloing or anything, if I needed a different avatar to Carby I'd use Yag drinks etc. to manage perp or make sure I'm able to Siphon mid fight.

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Originally Posted by Leonlionheart

You forgot to mention defense bonus and resist virus with the list of buffs that would make SMN more useless.

Now if you could get 15% haste with a spell that would be something. Oh wait.

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It's called Hastega and you get it with EVERY SJ ^^

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

It's called Hastega and you get it with EVERY SJ ^^

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Unintended victim of a woosh.

Don't worry, your death will not be in vain!

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

It said right below the part OP quoted that they were adding an ability to allow you to pay extra MP for the privilege of having a faster BP timer. Did you just not read this part or what?

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Unintended victim of a woosh.

Don't worry, your death will not be in vain!

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He was implying that we should sub whm for that 15% haste, and not war for all the other melee benefits. But thanks for your input

SMN doesn't need to sub WHM for haste. It has haste built in.

summoner always had a bad time in ffxi. First you always had to have /whm and be a healer. then they broke up the spells for ward and rage this helped a tad. But ya. They should make the job more active.

As for attacking witha staff. A smn should do it. The tp move that dmg=mp is very good for a smn. (spirit taker)

Anyway that my 2 cents :)

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

He was implying that we should sub whm for that 15% haste, and not war for all the other melee benefits. But thanks for your input

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Leon was refering to Dallas's, for the better term, crusade for SMN melee.