Another food update?

oh lord... Ok first off...

You guys that are role playing this, IT'S A GAME! you're not actually shoving the food into your real life mouth. There is no reason to have a nutrition label on each and single piece of food... seriously you take it too far when you say 'Food in ffxi doesn't work like it should in real life!'

FFXI != Real life
There is no fatigue. There is no hunger. There is no need for water/juice/etc.
In fact there isn't a 'need' for food at all in game. You use it because you want to. NOT because you need to eat/drink.

There's a reason SE doesn't come out and tell you what a specific food does. If you knew that a piece of food only increased 1 stat, what's the point of even making/trying to sell/ even using it? There would be no point what so ever. That's the reason SE doesn't tell us. They want us to use it, to figure it out ourselves. If you don't like doing that, stick with what you know, and eat food that's already had it's effects found by those who LIKE to experiment.

Food bonuses should not have to be spelled out for anyone.

I'm not roleplaying and it's not a matter of it only being a game. I hardly play FFXI anymore. I'm usually out doing "real life" stuff, such as going to the beach, mountain biking, running, working. That said, S-E has implemented a lot of crap that's supposed to be "realistic". Food, for instance, sometimes requires multiple recipes to complete, with ingredients that appear pretty realistic (i.e. fish + fire crystals != seasoned fish with a side of veggies). If they are going to show that kinda interest in detail, then what I've said would only make sense. Don't jump to conclusions and ride with em.

There's no 'Riding' with conclusions. Who gives 2 licks on what the thumbnail for a food item looks like.

Galka can eat raw meat.
Mithra can eat raw fish.

Humes, tarutarus, and elvaans are SoL.

By pointing out these facts, SE doesn't pay that much attention to detail in food. Human's can consume raw fish/meat. Why cant they in game? Because it's a game. Why make something that would normally be just a bland thing interesting? because it's a game.

Fyi. No one cares what you do in real life. what to know why? you're on a forum.

Does anyone know if this stacks with the destrier beret? I think it'll annoy my LS even more when I wear it if it does!

Also I hope that Camate is OK after releasing this information that was previously so secretive... I heard that he sleeps with the pugils :/

I disagree with the 'those who like to experiment'. If there are those and you are one of them then what have you discovered that is actually useful for the community? Did you post it on wiki? I was actually one of those people and I realize how hard it is to find the hidden bonus that won't show up on screen.

Food hidden effects should be shown to players. This is not the era where players like to play hide and seek with information. If there were 500,000+ players running around with nothing else to do other than testing stuff then yes but FFXI player base has shrunk considerably compare to its peak. People don't like running around clueless but they don't want to spend all day looking for answers. People use wiki to look for information so they don't have to. That's why wiki are so popular. However, wiki are not as robust as it used to and information on it are not as detailed and complete as it should.

A game is not real life but it attempts to mimic real life (at least in FFXI) with fantasy elements. That's why you have food to be eaten and not thrown as weapon that causes explosions. That's why when you stick then pointy end of your stabby sword to a monster, it hurts him instead of making him loves you more and hugs you.

On topic, showing us the hidden effects of food is a step forward as it puts some of the obscure items back on the market. However, there are still too many food items unused and SE keep pumping out new items every update. Not only these things clod up space and slow down AH browsing (this is why FFXIAH is so much better than using the in game AH to look for items). It also taxes the server every time someone look for something on AH. Instead of introducing new food items, how about putting those time and effort into modifying the current food items to make them less useless? I'm not talking about a full revamp on an update but every 10-20 food item stat could be modified and shown on every update.

Out of over 200 food items and only 20-30 of them are used frequently and the rest are wasted effort. Pick the Grilled Cheese Sandwich for example, someone asked for it and we have it. Now where is it? When is the last time you saw someone make it? Did you ever use it or have it stored some where in your bag?

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Originally Posted by Ciecle

There's no 'Riding' with conclusions. Who gives 2 licks on what the thumbnail for a food item looks like.

Galka can eat raw meat.
Mithra can eat raw fish.

Humes, tarutarus, and elvaans are SoL.

By pointing out these facts, SE doesn't pay that much attention to detail in food. Human's can consume raw fish/meat. Why cant they in game? Because it's a game. Why make something that would normally be just a bland thing interesting? because it's a game.

Fyi. No one cares what you do in real life. what to know why? you're on a forum.

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You've clearly never used food in FFXI, so don't bother to try to argue about the mechanics or design of it. Obviously the point of my argument is to make it more game-like in general. You use food in FFXI for the buffs. They should be spelled out to you, rather than having to experiment and attempt to discern the effects, some of which are near impossible to tell without months of testing (and some which are impossible; the skill up rate increase foods, for instance). What I'm trying to explain is that it's not just a matter of convenience, but it would make much more sense in general if they were provided to the player base. You are jumping to conclusions without actually thinking about it for a second.

Normally obscure hidden effects on food is dumb, UNLESS SE decides to be smart and hint at the hidden effect in the food description.

Once you know the hidden effect of rusks and macarons you'll realize how obvious SE was about it in the food's description. Personally I'd have preferred it if SE, instead of releasing this info straight up, changed the dats of the food to say something like "Loved by mages training everywhere" and "Loved by combat specialists training everywhere" to hint at their effects.

At that point all the dat reader's ears would perk up and people would test these out, trying to figure out what SE was hinting at. And this effect would probably be pretty easy to figure out as long as the effect is noticeable enough.

I've never used food? news to me. i mean the 3 stacks of red curry buns i had used are obviously not used and still sitting in my bag.

Where did the paper come from in curry buns? you don't use parchment in the synth.
Or how about that plate that comes under the bison steak? that's not used in the synth nor do you get a plate after you're done with it!

There's plenty of designs in the food that are there for the look of it.

As far as the player base is concerned, 'This is not the era where players like to play hide and seek with information' is both true and false. Abyssea showed us this. People played hide and seek with trying to pop Turul, and Ovni. They liked learning that Iratham was easy to fight. People liked learning that Rani drops Epona's ring.

There are still people that like to play the game and not be handed it. and there are people who are just holding out their hands like little kids saying 'GIMME GIMME!' but it's been like that since the begining.

as far as the cheese sandwich is concerned, that was suppose to be a novelty item. it provides no benefits nor was it hard to make, it was just a cute idea someone came up with and wanted SE to implement it for the sake of the western player base, like the Crepe lineup was ment to please those of the french origin.

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Originally Posted by Zaknafein

So the lolbrown belt monk is this months gear nazi? Sweet... duly noted

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Might want to look at your gear before commenting on mine =)

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Originally Posted by Ciecle

I've never used food? news to me. i mean the 3 stacks of red curry buns i had used are obviously not used and still sitting in my bag.

Where did the paper come from in curry buns? you don't use parchment in the synth.
Or how about that plate that comes under the bison steak? that's not used in the synth nor do you get a plate after you're done with it!

There's plenty of designs in the food that are there for the look of it.

As far as the player base is concerned, 'This is not the era where players like to play hide and seek with information' is both true and false. Abyssea showed us this. People played hide and seek with trying to pop Turul, and Ovni. They liked learning that Iratham was easy to fight. People liked learning that Rani drops Epona's ring.

There are still people that like to play the game and not be handed it. and there are people who are just holding out their hands like little kids saying 'GIMME GIMME!' but it's been like that since the begining.

as far as the cheese sandwich is concerned, that was suppose to be a novelty item. it provides no benefits nor was it hard to make, it was just a cute idea someone came up with and wanted SE to implement it for the sake of the western player base, like the Crepe lineup was ment to please those of the french origin.

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To be more precise, people don't like to fight it, lose several times then frustratingly try again until they understand it while everyone else already done it. Most people look it up in wiki, ask their LS on how to fight or are taught by others. If you're the 1st to fight such NM then you'll get all the rush but after everyone else have done it then you are merely just there to pass it. Turul? Ovni? What happen after they fought those? People don't play hide and seek on those now even though they have never fought them before. Limit Break quests anyone (with the exception of Maat anyways)? Or better yet, COP fights before update anyone? I fought those COP before update and it was nice if you could make a static but it was hell on earth if you couldn't.

New NMs can have all the hidden features they want (looks at AV and PW before update) as people try to explore them but stuff like food shouldn't be hidden. Goblin Stir-Fry, I know of only 1 person actually work to look for the recipe. It turned out fun for a few hours and now it's another forgotten item on the AH that nobody cares about. At least I still see people with them on bazaar though. Grilled Cheese Sandwich a novelty item? Like all the worthless food are novelty items? Where are they now? Since when is the last time you see someone with a Grilled Cheese Sandwich put in their bazaar for fun? Did you do it? Do you actually like the Grilled Cheese Sandwich? I have seen an insect wing being a better idea of fun than that Grilled Cheese Sandwich. You can put 50 different kinds of burger into the game as novelty items and laugh for 5min then spend more time browsing the AH because the burgers and taking up space.

Do you know why so many food pages on wiki are lacking of info? Well, people do like to play hide and seek with information so where are the findings?