[Dev 1009] Force Pop HNM's FTW

Thank you GreatGuardian for posting this in coherent terms. I actually enjoy old content, so if anyone is in need on bismarck for ppl for a ksnm send me a /tell- hell half the time I am just sitting bored in port Jeuno til event anyways or fishing lol.

I'm glad I still had 1500 KS and was too lazy to spend them because gil had become obsolete. Now if I get a Dring through the new system I'll be the ultimate troll by having 2 on the same account, and thanks to the Dbox changes I won't even have to walk a level 5 taru to BD to do it. What a boss update!

I don't get how people can complain when the drop rates aren't known at all. How many non-mule chars are there on the average server? Let's say there is 5000 until someone corrects me, and each one farms up a measly 5 KS a week, you know, accidentally while questing or doing a bit of trials. Assuming all seals will eventually be popped before ban/ragequit, even if they made KS99 always drop only 1 NQ pop (instead of the "at least 1" SE posted), made the NQ drop the HQ pop only 10% of the time, and made the BB item's drop rate only 10%, the new system's HQ pops would ultimately be adding two and a half BB items per week, that's what, maybe 1/3 to 1/2 of what the current system's NQ+HQ NMs are adding? That's with NOONE FARMING KS. It's easy to see how in reality even with totally butchered drop rates there will be much more BB items added than now. The only problem is that given a rational community nearly all of it will be tongues, but hey, at least those will eventually be obtainable for free. Ratonality aside, there are bound to be completionists going for Ridills (hell, it may even become upgradable) and they will probably cap out on beards before Ridills (unless the pop item/BB drop rates are as low as in my example above). Worst case scenario, MNKs&friends just have to "waste" a few KB shots on turtles and the beard is more expensive than now. Tongues will eventually be free in any case.

This only really hurts people who were first on Dring for a very long time, but they'll find things to level or farm instead of crying about it. Besides, still wanting this thing badly after twilight torque and dark rings is a bit OCD. I don't even think the people who spent all their KS got hit that hard. After all, they had plenty of time to spam wyrms while speed belts were still crazy expensive.

All I see is 20-mainjobbers QQing they'll have a few shots less at the ring if they want to ungimp MNK. Let me ask you this: if you really care about MNK but you ran out of jobs to level outside abyssea AND ran out of crafts you could speed up with farming, how did you even get to that point without sparing the 2-6M to just buy whichever items you never got from your KS? If you're generally burned out on repeatedly farming weak mobs, be it for KS or events, why even play this game anymore? Most events are all about farming. Besides, there are so many people who will pay for soloable gear/seals/empy items that some of you could have payed for all 3 items in the time you spent posting about this.

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Originally Posted by Rambus

read the update notes , makes bb items harder to get

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it makes it harder for people who can keep and use HNM ToD (not everybody can) and bring enough people to kill em (1THF for NQ if want to see item, 6-18 for hq, can been done with less by good players but most of em already have BB items)

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Originally Posted by SNK

That's funny because in the KS99s I did a long time ago I saw 7 eggs out of 14 pops. It's all about luck and that's it. Btw you still didn't answer why you spent 5 years in Dynamis to make a yoichi and yet you couldn't have bothered to camp NQ turtle in all that time as well.

New system is better for most everyone because it offers a fair chance to fight Kings vs only one Linkshel botting for claim.

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because rng or sam don't need BB and lol bandwagon mnk!


another point that have not been talken here is "synergize your old gears"
if synergi can add good augments on abju gear some people will farm em=> more peole that dont need BB will do KS=> easier for people who want to join a KS team

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

I don't need to hear about how "Getting KS is hard". It's not. I absolutely cannot believe that someone who takes pride in their Relic, while scorning players who get Empyrean Weapons in short order, is so positively averse to anything that requires even the slightest amount of time to accomplish. This was the same complaint you had about Magian Trials too and it's absolutely ridiculous. If these forums existed when the game was first launched, I would honestly not have been surprised to see you posting in every single thread about how Yoichinoyumi takes "too much currency", "is too expensive", and "requires too much time to obtain".

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Seriously this in a nutshell. How can you sit there and cry so hard Rambus about this update when you worked on a Relic which took you five years to finish and now all of a sudden you're camping an Egg? You should have had it ages ago with as much time as you invested into your relic, you could have had the egg easily and in much damn less time if you honestly gave a damn about going after it in all this time.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

I'm still sorta in awe of this whole "KSNM drop rates are toooo looooow" stuff. I've done plenty of KS99, and I could just as easily say I've had a 100% drop rate for BB items (it's more like 50-75% really, I've never had a problem seeing them). Is that unusually high? Definitely. But here's the thing (Shamelessly snipping this from another Poster in another thread): The plural of anecdote is not data..

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The drop rate is low and your post will not change this. Wiki is the only reliable source for this. Also you have never done those KS99, clearly. I fthe drop rate was that high I can tell you people would not QQ about having to camp dumb 24H-pop NMs.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

The drop rate is low and your post will not change this. Wiki is the only reliable source for this. Also you have never done those KS99, clearly. I fthe drop rate was that high I can tell you people would not QQ about having to camp dumb 24H-pop NMs.

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People will QQ about anything.

A great example: this thread.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

I'm still sorta in awe of this whole "KSNM drop rates are toooo looooow" stuff. I've done plenty of KS99, and I could just as easily say I've had a 100% drop rate for BB items (it's more like 50-75% really, I've never had a problem seeing them

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you are lieing, lieing about drop rates does help get things changed. (if you are quoting egg from ksnm anyway)

Greatguardian is just trolling because he is not allowed on BG. Anyway, stock pile KS99 is all I can advice you all because we are back to "hard" game.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

Greatguardian is just trolling because he is not allowed on BG. Anyway, stock pile KS99 is all I can advice you all because we are back to "hard" game.

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Again, weren't you the one banned from BG? lol

Just to clarify some questions that have been popping up regarding these adjustments, KSNM99 BCs will continue to drop black belt-related quest items.

Also, another bit of important information you might like to know, the triggers needed to spawn Fafnir/Behemoth/Adamantoise will be tradeable.