This is my point exactly. Sometimes for fun I'll enter a pickup ally for about 1hr or so to cap merits and I go unfiltered just to have some fun. It's always amazing to see the guy doing 1k WSs when mine do 4.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramsos
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03-22-2011, 06:26 AMKazen
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03-22-2011, 06:27 AMZeitzoneWtf? See that "if".Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazen
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03-22-2011, 06:29 AMKazen
"If" what? You're making no sense.
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03-22-2011, 06:30 AMZeitzone
Anyways, its really borring to debate with you 2. You two seems to have no RL thats why you are 24/7 inside this forum when ffxi isnt runing.
And my GF waits and i want to take a shower anyway, i had a hard profitable work day and now i want to relax and not to debate and get flamed by ppl who can not call a rl them own.
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03-22-2011, 06:31 AMRamsosI think we are having a fundamental difference of population issues here. You are German, you play with the German population. I am American and play with the American population. In the American population, ever since level sync started, NO ONE did exp on anything besides collibri. No one, ever. If collibri camps were taken, you did not exp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeitzone
I dont know how the German population handled this. You guys may have just settled for less efficient camps where an American would have just decided to wait till one of the existing parties either broke or invited them. I think we are just having a fundamental misunderstanding since our populations might just act differently. Only thing I can think of. -
03-22-2011, 06:31 AMKazen
RL card pulled? ABORT ABORT ABORT
Have a nice night hypocrite. -
03-22-2011, 06:32 AMZeitzoneYou leech if you are the guy whos orginaly low level and profits from other persons work.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazen
See it now?
IFFFFFFFFFF, so not "you are a nutt" but rather "you are a nutt if you dont get it yet" -
03-22-2011, 06:33 AMZeitzoneThere were alot more camps then colibri, we camped on trolls, on mamool ja, we even took Imps and flys.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ramsos
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03-22-2011, 06:34 AMKazen
No, anyone in an ally not doing enough damage is a leech. In an 18 man group if one person is doing more than 50% of the work then everyone else there is a leech. There is nothing you can say to question this, it's just a fact. Please note I have nothing against these people at all since I don't mind any leeches. I'm more than willing to contribute 75% of the work and I'm completely ok with that. If some random dude wants to be a gimp and leech... let him.
I'm more ok with the level 30 guy opening chests as he's allowing me to further increase my overall damage and the productiveness of the party. -
03-22-2011, 06:39 AMSprieth
Zeitzone, I'm curious as to what you would think of a person who leeched their job from 30 - 90, then capped their skills, spent time getting good gear, reading up on how to play their job through the course of 2 weeks. Then is standing next to you as the same job, hitting the same mob and out damaging you. What would you say or do to this person?
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03-22-2011, 06:40 AMTsukino_KajiSo then 90% of all alliances I've built have 16/18 people leeching?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazen
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03-22-2011, 06:41 AMStarcadeSounds like that's his attitude, yes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji
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03-22-2011, 06:42 AMGreatguardianThis ^.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazen
If anything, I personally find it insulting when I see level 90 full Aurore Rngs hitting things with their Axe complaining about leeches; as if they're contributing anything at all. At least the level 30s are opening chests. Some of the absolutely terrible DDs (read: 99% of pickup parties, so this probably includes people against leeching) don't do anything at all but feed TP and pull mobs further away from the real DDs. -
03-22-2011, 06:42 AMNephariteThis is why most people here are complaining about leeches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprieth
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03-22-2011, 06:43 AMStarcadeThe cost in cruor might beg to differ with that attitude.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeitzone
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03-22-2011, 06:43 AMKazen
Not really an attitude, it's just the truth. I never said it was all alliances that were like this. I'm just saying it's usually people like this that are arguing for the leech point and it's extremely ironic.
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03-22-2011, 06:48 AMNephariteDefinitely the truth. Most of the time all the work is done by 2-3 DD, 1-2 healers, and 1-2 pullers. All else in the alliance are generally not doing jack.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazen
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03-22-2011, 06:53 AMZeitzone
Well a last answer for today becouse you asked nice instead of flaming like the others.
Sure that person will do then a good job and you cant see the difference later, but still he got to 90 by leeching, and thats not right, why making so much levels in a game with so huge exp differences if then just open chests and get up multiple levels.
Then why even bothering with levels? Why not removing all levels and turn a MMORPG into an Action adventure.
Becouse if you can get with no risk to level 90 it is like you whould start the game with level 90.
In every RPG you need to desserve the levels by leveling up slowly.
Morrowind, Gothic, Breath od Fire, Wild Arms, Suikoden, Two Worlds....
Thats the main meening of a RPG. If you can get as quick to 90 as you can do it in Abyssea its no more a RPG, its just a Action Adventure/Hack n slash. Its like Playing Tomb Raider and collecting gems and guns to get stronger, and maybe some gear. -
03-22-2011, 06:56 AMNachtWe leveled slow for 6+ years. Now it's time to speed up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeitzone
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03-22-2011, 06:58 AMNepharite
Its still optional, no one is forcing you to exp like this.
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03-22-2011, 07:01 AMSpriethThis seems like the reason FFXI is a great game though. It's not set on a certain way to play. There are so many different styles/ways to level, play and have fun that so many different people can play this game. If you force everyone to play the same way you alienate others. I think the group (most likely a minority) we are forgetting is those people who just like to explore. There used to be many at the beginning of FFXI. People who would just run around and explore and not worry about jobs or levels or grinding. Just wanted to do quests or explore the world and take pictures and look at everything. At level 30 whm you have sneak and invis which will allow you to go into abyssea and explore and not bother anyone. You raise the cap now those people have to endure grinding (which might not be fun for them) just to get to a new area to explore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeitzone
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03-22-2011, 07:02 AMZeitzone
sigh, i think i need to stop looking in this thread or i will never get to go sleep XD
You did it for 6 years and now you think you deserve that it goes faster? This is a MMO, its endless, its not like other RPG where you play them once trough fair and straight and then use Cheats for the second time you play it.
This game has no end so you cant just think, "ok i played FFXI for 6 years and got 3 Jobs to 75, now i deserve to get all other jobs free". There has been ppl leveled all jobs to 75 in those 6years.
Its never time to speed up becouse the game needs to stay as much possible equal to the old to be the game it is.
Sure there are changes, any rpg gives add-ons or updates, but never so radical that you can get exp for 10 levels or more in an instant.
And now i shut down the PC before i get seduced to look back into this forum.
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03-22-2011, 07:04 AMGreatguardianI don't think he/she/it cares, nor do a lot of the anti-leech posters.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nepharite
It's become a matter of "what leechers do is immoral and I must fight against it" for a lot of people.
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03-22-2011, 07:07 AMNephariteI guess its too much to argue that the game is a lot more than exp grinding.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greatguardian
If you think exp is all there is, then your not reaching the full potential of your lv90 whatever. So us lv90s that move on past the exp part will leave you behind.
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03-22-2011, 07:08 AMKazenThat sound strangely similar to anything that deals with religion, gay marriage, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greatguardian
Seriously, take what you just said and replace it with gay marriage lol. I'm going to do this real fast lol.
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I don't think he/she/it cares, nor do a lot of the gay marriage protesters.
It's become a matter of "what gays do is immoral and I must fight against it" for a lot of people.
Good luck getting through that.
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03-22-2011, 07:09 AMNeisan_Quetz
EDIT: missed a few pages
Old system for exp was punishment, it had to be lowered long before abyssea because the exp increase to level was nothing short of brutal. And this was back when 5-10k/hour exp was good. it used to take months if you wanted to cap merits for 1 job. TaU it got better but it was still a grind, just shortened it from months to weeks. And you want to go back to the old exp system? go right ahead, and take whoever thinks like you do with you, everyone else will happily exp in what fashion suits them, and you can go exp in a fashion that suits you. -
03-22-2011, 07:12 AMNachtTimes are changing and SE clearly wants to make it easier and easier for people to level. Introduction of level sync, xp rings, FoV, etc. They did make a jump in easing difficulty, but it's not beyond the scope of what they were intending. It's inconceivable that in the months they took to develop all three Abyssea expansions, no one realized that low level people could leech exp. More likely, it was discussed and accepted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeitzone
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03-22-2011, 07:14 AMGreatguardianThis is so incredibly ironic, you just made my day.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kazen
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03-22-2011, 07:15 AMNepharitePeople have always been leeching, only now its not as detrimental to the exp/hr.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nacht
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03-22-2011, 07:20 AMSkybritLOL, there is no such thing as grinding in this game anymore.. It's all speed lvling with exp upgrades, FOV and lvl sync.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sprieth
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03-22-2011, 07:26 AMSeha
Game's like this now and 90% of the playerbase like it this way. I don't like leeching but I've accepted how things are, do it too. A good hard new endgame is what we need now imho, where we can again appreciate the aspects of all jobs instead of brainlessly throwing 18 bodies at weak mobs(the thing I hate the most about abyssea actually <.<). I see your point, seeing noobs bragging about their 20 lv 90 jobs and sucking at all 20 of them sure is annoying, but I'm afraid that killing aby-leech wouldn't solve the problem. Too late at least, should have been implemented this way from the start, but it wasn't and turning back now would be silly.
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03-22-2011, 07:32 AMtazkwondoAbyssea Level Raise
Honestly, 30 is probably too low for Abyssea. I know it sucks to level the old way, but we now have a lot of fake 90's that have no clue what their job entails. People missing like 20 spells. No real gear or clue what their job abilities do. Some of you may like interacting and partying with the fake 90's but I do not.
I think the minimum level should be raised to at least 50. Maybe even 60. You can make it to 90 now without even getting the aht urghan expansion. People may never visit those levels. I don't speak from nostalgia, I just think the servers are just going to be overpopulated with players that are more obsessed with getting to 90 or 99 than learning their job. -
03-22-2011, 07:37 AMGreatguardianThey have been for the past 8 years. The only difference is we include things like gear swapping and recognizing the value of Haste as key components in knowing one's job. People with capped skills, who can pull Dynamis and complete missions, but do so in one set of gear and who insist STR is better than Haste for a TP set? They do not know their jobs.Quote:
Originally Posted by tazkwondo
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03-22-2011, 07:37 AMNachtIt should be able to balance itself out. If people keep kicking gimps out, then the gimps will realize they're doing something wrong and fix it. Or they won't, but either way, they don't have to be -your- problem if you just kick them.Quote:
Originally Posted by tazkwondo
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03-22-2011, 07:44 AMGreatguardianI'd love to think that... instead, whenever I kick people out of my groups for not changing gear or wearing Haste, they yell at me and make threads on FFXIAH and Allakhazam to have dozens of other gimps yell about me too :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Nacht
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03-22-2011, 07:49 AMIcesteinI have to agree. When I was leading a party I got quite a bit of stick for kicking a warrior/paladin who came in full adaman armor, a sword and shield. Shortly after I kicked him he had found another party.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greatguardian
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03-22-2011, 07:51 AMNachtIt's gotta be a collective effort...Quote:
Originally Posted by Icestein
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03-22-2011, 08:32 AMRaenRyongYou are perfectly describing old endgame, where events were done with members far in excess of the minimum or even the optimum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Seha
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03-22-2011, 08:38 AMSesono
Whenever you kick a n00b: REMEMBER! You once were one of them ...
You always have the option (opportunity) to give them advice ~ its on them to decide if they take it or not.
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03-22-2011, 08:41 AMSehaProblem is when you kindly try to give advices and they insult you for doing so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sesono