Reasons Why FFXI is Declining

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

To give my example in your own film analogy, I feel like FFXI's leveling would be the same as having a long backstory take place for over half of my movie, just to get to the part of the movie which happens in present day, the part that should be the meat of my experience, after having explained how the character got to this point. If a game wants the XP portion to be a journey all on its own, it needs to break up that leveling experience with some challenge, and meaty part of its own, to give not only a climb of levels, but a challenge to push yourself and see what you have learned, improved, and how you have grown. The thing is, like I said, FFXI leveling has never felt anywhere close to that for me, even the limit breaks were not close, though that was mostly because they were not fun or entertaining, but rather they were an annoying obstacle in my path to me.

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There was always the option to do missions in between your leveling, the first times at least. Your first job, did you get it to 75 before doing city rank 2? The level capped BCNM's (2-3 and 5-1) told me I should break up my leveling and work on those. Think I was only 70 went I first got Rank 10. Solo'd up to the Black Coffin fight for Aht Urgan in my mid-60's when I still enjoyed BST. Maybe you feel that the game doesn't really begin until you hit level cap and can start doing events that drop the best of the best gear. I myself think the journey up to that point is more rewarding. Different people enjoy different things, but we will never agree on where the real meat of game is.

It's not about where the meat is. If you guys think 6 man old school parties are where it's at then do them. Level synch never went away. The old camps are still there. Nothing changed about that.

What you want is for everyone else to feel like you do. They don't. They don't want to do what you want. If they did, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

If the rewards were similar, I think people would still be doing it. But since we are all lazy, the path of least resistance is taken. I know that if a 6-man party offered xp close to the rate that abyssea or GoV pages do, that would be my leveling preference.

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Originally Posted by Daemon

Hello Everyone!

We know there are many reasons. However in this post, Lets see everyone list 1 Reason Why you think FFXI is Declining.

I Figure we must try to get the DEV TEAMS Attention some how?

#1. Share 1 Opinion in a short Comment.
#2. No Criticism, disagreements, or replies to other people who list their opinion.
#3. Stay on topic so we can make it easy for them to see our lists of Opinions.

Disclaimer: Nothing is fact, just opinions on everyone's point of view. Please do not reply to others comments with debates because this is not meant to be a debate from player to player. Only an insight of how each person thinks of FFXI at its current state.

You can make your comment simple or detailed like my first comment below. You can also add other opinions but please try to keep 1 opinion per reply.

Thank you.

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Opinion: I'm not going to say FFXI is declining or getting better. I don't have the statistics. It's an individual preference what a real MMORPG should be and how we play.

Reason:Most MMO player are raised in the slow and steady while the new-age is adapted to fast progression and materialism of in-game gear,equipment and cool items. This clearly confuses the community about what the MMO is all about and how it'll grow.

Conclusion: FFXI started out slow, gaining interest using the brand Final Fantasy and displayed slow-paced progression and rewarding us players to a feeling of accomplishment.

Tanaka is gone, the traditions are gone. It's post- RotZ, CoP, ToAU. WotG introduced a "Sandbox" concept and now is under-rated. The fast and furious is here and taking over and it's a New World Order. Why? Because we let it happen.

Solution: Unless you want to start a whole new character to experience the past, I fear there no new content now or in the foreseeable future that'll remedy the damage Abysea has done to Vanadiel. Let's just hope the reverse happens to FFXIV:ARR and the game develops from the fast-paced playing community to tradition RPG-style of MMO with Yoshi-P.

Adventure is defined by the journey not the goal. A sense of accomplishment is rewarded when you beat the odds. There has to be a reason.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

It's not about where the meat is. If you guys think 6 man old school parties are where it's at then do them. Level synch never went away. The old camps are still there. Nothing changed about that.

What you want is for everyone else to feel like you do. They don't. They don't want to do what you want. If they did, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

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why do people always bring up the "well old camps are still there, lvl sync still there. go pt there and leave us alone etc" of course it still there. the only thing that piss off lot people is what killed off our camps just like what killed off R/M.E and the other events. it no balance and now i dont even see people pting much at abyssea anymore. since SE, you
& lot of others wanted the game on super sonic speed & easy button well you see the results. hope you guys happy. congratulations for killing it for all of us now!

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Originally Posted by nyheen

why do people always bring up the "well old camps are still there, lvl sync still there. go pt there and leave us alone etc" of course it still there.

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The camps are still there. You don't use them. You are the problem. Not me. I quit using them before abyssea. I had red mage, monk, bard, white mage, black mage, samurai, dancer warrior and thief leveled and geared sufficiently to get in just about any event long before abyssea came out. There was a snowballs chance in hell that I was going back to level anything else. In fact, the only reason I did was because of abyssea.

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Originally Posted by nyheen

the only thing that piss off lot people is what killed off our camps just like what killed off R/M.E and the other events.

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RME have nothing to do with traditional exp. parties. Nothing. No relation. In fact, you can't even use the finished versions until you are done doing exp. parties.

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Originally Posted by nyheen

it no balance and now i dont even see people pting much at abyssea anymore.

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I don't see people doing much of anything anymore. It has nothing to do with abyssea. The new expansion is a failure. Plain and simple.

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Originally Posted by nyheen

since SE, you & lot of others wanted the game on super sonic speed & easy button well you see the results. hope you guys happy. congratulations for killing it for all of us now!

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As was previously stated: If people wanted what you want, they would still be doing what you want them to do and this conversation would not be happening.

If people didn't want what you want, they simply wouldn't do it. Taking away the option to level quickly would not have made people go level slowly. They would have just stopped leveling jobs.

I spent 159 merits the day before yesterday. I opened and capped requiescat, and took mnd to level 5, we're talking a weeks worth of oldschool meriting in one day, and as much as I hate meriting, it probably would have been closer to a month for me.

The first job I ever leveled was rng in 2004, and it took a year or better to get it to 75 because I had to stop to farm between each and every level after 50, and those farming runs got longer and longer as the xp necessary to get to 75 came in bigger blocks at each level. It was so ridiculously stupid that to get from level 70-75 you had to gain as much experience points as it took to get from 1-70, camps were over crowded until they came out with ToAU, but even then they only managed to make two camps really worth meriting at.

As much as I really enjoyed the old days, there is no way in hell I want to go back to them, it was a broken leveling system at best, and personally I'm glad Aby is there, it lets me do the necessary grind I have to do to make my char stronger, and it also allows me to do things with my ls, which of course allows me to enjoy the game more.

I say if you want to go do level sync with or without the book, then get some like minded people together and go do it, the only things stopping you are air and opportunity, just let the rest of us level the way we want, without trying to get in our way to do it, because I promise we won't get in yours

@ Frankreynolds (the guy with the most annoying sig ever)
I really dont understand why you keep defending abyssea like this, you're like the abyssea white knight. I assume that everyone who doesnt like abyssea (not so in fact the expansion itself but more the change in mentality that came with it) wants or expects SE to change things to the way they were, everyone accepts that abyssea is here to stay and we'll have to learn to live with it. People just want to point out that they dont want anymore dumbed down content anymore, but you keep interpreting everyone's posts incorrect to a point where you're almost offensive to people who are just sharing their opinion.

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Originally Posted by vienne

@ Frankreynolds (the guy with the most annoying sig ever)
I really dont understand why you keep defending abyssea like this, you're like the abyssea white knight.

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I actually liked Abyssea...there were lots of thingies to look forward to, and it KEPT OLDER CONTENT RELEVANT STILL.

I liked Abyssea as well. I remember how awesome it felt to hear about new blu spells, make those wishlists, and was very surprised and content with the new spells (except the worthless ones, ie breath spells). Also, blu was pretty good in abyssea so that was another plus.

My idea on why ffxi is declining is a mix of all things. FFXIV is a better game, even though it does not feel like a final fantasy game. Also, Adoulin, although far, far, farrrr short from what it should have been on delivery, it is not all bad. If RMEC's are upgradable after next update, imo, the expansion should have had all content released after official release to include the next update.

The initial expansion was crap, which a lot of people stayed for (several of my friends) and were really disappointed. They probably should have utilized their test servers more for the best feedback available. I'm not positive, but I have very high doubts that anyone that develops this game plays it.

If they did play this game they would realize crap needs fixed, and that this monstrosity element, though interesting and fun, needs delayed more for what the players want (Tourbillion fixed and that damn derpy caitsith)....also RMECs.