ffxi should not be this easy

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Originally Posted by rog

Because you can only have help from one group of people, ever, and after that no one else can possibly do anything for you. And that group is of course always all online at exactly the same time, and offline at exactly the same time.

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Lets ask why then.

Why are they letting the afk person have emp weapon upgrades, NM kills, Genki quest items, exp, or pretty much everything if they are not going to contribute to their group?

If it is a new player, they would have absolutely no idea what they are doing.

If it is a returning player, they are just lazy, and still not worth all the effort to get them the items needed for emp weapon. Because players like them are generally "Thanks for your help guys, but go **** yourselves, I'm now leet and you aren't, you ****tards."

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Lets ask why then.

Why are they letting the afk person have emp weapon upgrades, NM kills, Genki quest items, exp, or pretty much everything if they are not going to contribute to their group?

If it is a new player, they would have absolutely no idea what they are doing.

If it is a returning player, they are just lazy, and still not worth all the effort to get them the items needed for emp weapon. Because players like them are generally "Thanks for your help guys, but go **** yourselves, I'm now leet and you aren't, you ****tards."

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You wouldn't, except maybe for a mule. That does not make it any less possible.

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Originally Posted by rog

You wouldn't, except maybe for a mule. That does not make it any less possible.

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Then why do you say people do?

Or that it is possible?

Its possible for me to fly to the moon, but I think we both know I won't. But because there is a possibility, it must be true, right? So we must change it so its impossible for anyone to fly to the moon, because it is now, although most unlikely, possible.

That is what I'm getting from this thread. Because it is "possible" for somebody to do the things you are saying, however very unlikely, we must put a stop to it!

A static group can rush a lot of crap through in a hurry. Case in point, I linked up with a group of JP NIN's and ran the bulk of an evasion club through to +2 in virtually 1 day. Started it at 9:30 PM, and had it finished by just before 11:00 PM the next night. |Team up?|

This is a Final Fantasy game. Why shouldn't it be this easy?

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Originally Posted by Korpg

That is what I'm getting from this thread. Because it is "possible" for somebody to do the things you are saying, however very unlikely, we must put a stop to it!

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Nah, Rog is just concerned that the game is getting to the point where you can cap out your character with the best equipment possible in waaaaaaaaaaay too little time. The problem is that Rog undermined this point by telling a story which was severely impossible hyperbole, and now wastes incredible amounts of time and energy by saying "norly gaiz, its possible". To which I would like to reply: "THEN DO IT". If it's possible, spend some time trying to find a brand new player on your server, or find a friend in RL who's willing to play it with you for 6 days. You won't even get them to level 90 by the end of day 6 because 7 trillion things would need to go right in order for your story to come true and statistically, that just won't happen.

The saying that anything is possible is indeed true, but there is a certain point where we need to call something impossible because it is so remarkably unlikely to happen that there is only a 0.0000000000001% chance that it ever will happen. In that case, we just round down to 0% and say it's impossible.

When the game was new, players complained because CoP was too hard, so they nerfed it. Players complained because mobs would follow them out of one zone into another and they would die right at the zone line. SE fixed it. Players complained about not having enough new areas to xp in, level cap was 50 back then. SE added ToAU and raised the level cap to 75. Yet more complaints about lack of xp and along came WoTG. BRD's could skill songs and xp without fighting by lurking in corners during City battles. Players complained, SE fixed it.

Campaign got old/broken, players complained SE tried to fix it, added Beaucedine, Xarcabard and Castle Zvahl over time plus the lure of a Campaign XP ring. Didn't work too well. Then came SMN burns, just little ones to begin with, then over the course of a year or so it became a huge issue for a lot of players trying to level jobs in the starter areas and even as high as in Beaucedine Glacier, Fei'Yin. People were paying for spots in SMN burn parties. Players complained about them, but SE said it didn't go against the ToS and in fact, could and would ban players for "interfering".

FoV evolved during this time in response to players complaining about lack of xp.

Then along came Abyssea, the complete nerfing of CoP and level cap raised to 80. At first, people didn't know quite what to make of Abyssea, but it caught on quickly. It was SE's answer to more player complaints about the poor xp and lack of game content. Level cap raised to 85, more complaints about Bastion Ops, people beginning to catch on to leeching, level cap to 90 and all hell broke loose.

Players now begging to pay for leech/keywhore spots in Abyssea parties, HNM style camping of NM's for seals and anything else they could claim. More complaints from players about the HNM style of playing, lack of xp areas outside of Abyssea, the need to re-vamp old areas to encourage use of them by people who didn't want to Abyssea all the time. Thus GoV was born and Dynamis re-vamped, new Voidwalker system put in place, and still people complained. Too easy to some, perfect for others and a golden platter for new and returning players.

Soon, level 95 will come followed by level 99. Undoubtably there will be more complaints as each of these are introduced, because there are always 1000x more of those than commendations. Overcrowding will still and always be an issue, glitches will be found, fixes will be made, people will still complain.

In a year or so, maybe less, everyone will be level 99 with nothing left to do. SE won't be adding new areas in the near future, so you will all stand around complaining as the red sky of Abyssea turns to black and the servers are turned off.

Point is no matter what SE does here, or has done in the past, the name of the game is the same. The squeaky wheel gets the oil eventually, just not in the way some of you had hoped for.

Enjoy it for what it has become and go on and play something else. FFXI was/is an epic game, designed to be enjoyed for years. There will never be another quite like it.

So it'll go back to what it was at 75? Leeching cought on 2 to 3 weeks after abyssea came out. Also when over half the player base gave up on CoP. One other thing oct which nerf did you finish CoP before.

Rog is not concernd about this he's trolling you all.

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The problem is that Rog undermined this point by telling a story which was severely impossible hyperbole

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Also that no one seems to understand the point of hyperbole. I stand by my assertion that it is possible, but really it doesn't even matter.

OK, enough about this 90 in a day crap...I was just looking at the field manuals, and technically, it may well be possible to do this. Granted, one may need to be at it for a full 24 hours b/c of getting the brakes put on at the initial GK stages, but that is just a speed bump if you have help doing it. Otherwise, 2 or maybe 3 days to get from 1 to 90.

As for empy weapon, while it is more of a grind...the point of the original post is to show how absurdly easy it is to get a job leveled and geared. Doing all the additional content is a completely different issue, and not necessary to get a job to 90 and (except for some magian targets) not needed to gear it.

1,565,350 xp total to hit 90.
100,550 xp total to hit 30.

1,464,800 xp total to get from 30 to 90, which can be done easily as a leech.

One Saturday afternoon off with a PL friend and you can get from 1-30, and then if you get into a leech spot...well, except for stopping to run down the GK quests....welcome to 90. If you already have the limit breaks from another job....well, you could unlock a new job, level it to 30 with a PL, then overnight AFK it as a leech and wake up to a level 90 job.

30 in a day, impossible you say? Technically, it IS possible now that you get double xp/kill--remember, that calculates to 200 on an EM, plus you can get the chain bonus on top of that. If you were to manage to kill a T at level 1...welcome to level 2.

For the first 8 levels, you can hit average upwards of 500 xp per page from FOV right outside your starter city (270-330 bonus, plus xp from mobs). This isn't accounting for chain bonus either. After this, EM+ is no longer an option...you can stay there and grind it out to level 17, or change area and keep the potential for EM xp going.

Move one zone away and get your next 6 or 7 levels...FOV rewards go up now from 340 to 450 a page...so now your getting 750+ a page on average. Again, with a little help, this won't take too long to get your next 15/16k xp--also, this is not accounting for chain bonuses when you are hititng EM+. Once you run out of the EM potential here...either grind it out to hit 22/23 or move on to next area.

Now, you are getting to the good stuff... welcome to the dunes or buburimi peninsula. Dunes is nice since you have the subjob quest right there, and the book at OP is positioned nicely for spamming pages--everything you will need is essentially right at your finger tips. 475-570 Bonus xp per page, nearly all of which can be down within roughly 1 square of the book. The next ~40k or so here still goes by pretty quick at upwards of 1000 xp/page with no xp band...can easily average upwards of 1500 per page with a little help...up to and over 2k a page if you are still able to pull off EM+ fights (again, that's not including the bonuses if you are chaining them).

By now, you are level 24/25. If you've done it right... you have all your items to unlock subjobs. Whether you stop and do a subjob now or not could cause a detour. Once again, no more chance for EM+ chaining now, but you CAN opt to just grind it out to hit 30 right there (can actually take you to 35/36 technically)

If you want to stay with EM+ hunting...on to next zone. From 23/24 to 30 is roughly another 40k xp. Using one of the 3 zones right outside Jueno, you get 600-800 bonus xp per page, depending on which zone you use. Which is best is open to debate, as you will have a little running around involved. This may prompt more to just grind out the xp in the Dunes or deal with the roughness of Qufim's eventually, who knows. Anyway, if you are sticking to EM+ targets, it's 1100-2600 per page, depending on how you min/max it--that's with no xp band, and no chaining calculated in there.

No special keys needed, no special quests needed. At worst, you might have to get someone to run you some gear (maybe just borrow stuff from your friend who is helping you out--just trade it in the field and keep going). 1-30 is possible in one day with the right help. After that, one can the leech. Getting help with the initial GK's and the Maat fight (testy farming.. uggh) that will hold you up.

Like i said in the beginning of the thread, 1-30 took around 3 hours for a friend of mine less than a week ago with a novennial ring, duoing war+whm+90rdm, doing fov, and spamming banishga on 5-10 mobs at a time. Genkais are the hardest part in reaching 90.

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

So it'll go back to what it was at 75? Leeching cought on 2 to 3 weeks after abyssea came out. Also when over half the player base gave up on CoP. One other thing oct which nerf did you finish CoP before.

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The second one. My point is it will all be the same at the end as it was at the beginning. Whine, bitch, moan, complain.

I'm fine with the current state of the game. I actually like the fact that I can get good armor, lvl jobs etc with out having to commit months or years to it. FFXI is something I have always done for fun, not as a career.

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Originally Posted by Naria

I'm fine with the current state of the game. I actually like the fact that I can get good armor, lvl jobs etc with out having to commit months or years to it. FFXI is something I have always done for fun, not as a career.

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I know exactly how you Feel Kitty.
The game is about fun, not a god damn Career lol.

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Originally Posted by rog

Like i said in the beginning of the thread, 1-30 took around 3 hours for a friend of mine less than a week ago with a novennial ring, duoing war+whm+90rdm, doing fov, and spamming banishga on 5-10 mobs at a time. Genkais are the hardest part in reaching 90.

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You know that the part there about a level 90 Power Level support is probably the reason it went by fast, rather than the actual exp per kill. You should try it all over again, without mules/dual-box. I'd wager it takes at least four times the time. Even before Abyssea Power Level parties was the easy mode everyone went for to just leech through early levels.

I'm still not sure why any of this matters.

Intentionally crippling oneself has no impact on the possibility existing. For all intents and purposes he could have simply SMN burned once he got lv12 and gone to 30 even faster (with the right resources).

The "getting an empy done in 6 days along with all this" is a bit to far through, considering the breaking of caps and then having to wait for respawn on NMs, would most likely take longer than that.

I am so glad the game is easier now, it still can be tweaked to become even easier to play and to enjoy, and give us much faster way to go between areas. Just a few more updates and this game will be so easy, it is going to beat WoW!! SE should start new marketing to cater this game to new players, casual players, and returning players. Thanks again SE for making this game 100x times better than when it was first launched, and keep giving us that sweet sweet Abyssea candy!

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

You know that the part there about a level 90 Power Level support is probably the reason it went by fast, rather than the actual exp per kill. You should try it all over again, without mules/dual-box. I'd wager it takes at least four times the time. Even before Abyssea Power Level parties was the easy mode everyone went for to just leech through early levels.

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4 times longer? Worst case it would have taken 2x longer, but even that is a stretch. And it does not matter at all. Clearly not everyone has a pl, just like not everyone can leech in abyssea as soon as their first job hits 30. That is not the point. Point is it is possible.

...and not only possible, but fairly common amongst those with long-time friends still in the game.

Just saying the "too easy" part has been around forever, and it was always a choice you could make. Ironically the vast majority of players choose this, which means people WANT it too easy. And even worse, the people who complain at it being too easy do not in any way attempt to make it harder on their own, even though there are plenty of options for that.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Anyone complaining about easy are not complaining about easy, they are complaining that they aren't the only level 99 with relic weapon on the server and can't brag about being the unique butterfly. Only people with superiority complexes complain. People without it, just create their own challenges and enjoy the game.

Nah man. Used to, your first job to 75 was, there's no other word for it, magical(lol). That is completely gone

have your friend try get a mythic weapon in a day... i'll bet all my gil he cant!

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Originally Posted by Clou777

have your friend try get a mythic weapon in a day... i'll bet all my gil he cant!

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That takes at least 4 months.

2 months to get all the 51 Assaults done for Captain, one per day.

Another 2 months to get 50 more Assaults done for the mythic weapon.

Assuming you can get everything else done within those 4 months.

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Originally Posted by Bumbeen

Nah man. Used to, your first job to 75 was, there's no other word for it, magical(lol). That is completely gone

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I just got my first job to 75 yesterday. It was still "magical" - since you already had that moment, who are you to say it doesn't still exist?

It did for me. Making it "broom rape" slow like it used to be wouldn't make it any more special to me. I probably would have just quit the game before I got there - like the other two times I played.

If people want to grind endlessly and think that is the be-all and end all of MMOs they should go play XIV. It is a broom-rape loving fantasy MMO. All grind, all the time.

As for the OP - well, most people don't start with someone at level 90 willing to steamroll their friends to cap. I have been playing for almost three months now (minus time taken by the tsunami) and still am not at cap. You say it is too easy (though I am pretty sure you are just trolling) - I say it is just right for me. I played the old final fantasy XI where after a year an a half my highest job wasn't yet 50. I don't miss that for even 1 second. Not one.

I don't consider level grinding to be fun or hard. I think most people agree. I wouldn't have come back without Abyssea.

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Originally Posted by Olor

I just got my first job to 75 yesterday. It was still "magical" - since you already had that moment, who are you to say it doesn't still exist?

It did for me. Making it "broom rape" slow like it used to be wouldn't make it any more special to me. I probably would have just quit the game before I got there - like the other two times I played.

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bull**** lol. There's no way in HELL it's the same as it was before.

Because you decide how he feels about his personal accomplishments in game, right?

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Because you decide how he feels about his personal accomplishments in game, right?

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Precisely. You can only get to 75 for the first time once, so, he can think what he wants, but he can no way prove it, especially since we're talking about feelings here.

Do I feel special that I've reached 75+? Not particularly. But anyone that felt special for getting 75 in the first place was just fooling themselves since it has never been special. I do feel a sense of joy and excitement though.