Reviving PvP & Ballista

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

No one truly likes level caps.

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Well, Selt, a well-respected JP player in the Ballista community, posted a recent video of a 30:30 game on Carbuncle (neo-Gilgamesh) of—guess what—Lv60 Ballista on his Youtube channel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wb8Gm3Mw0M

I wonder how that tallies up.

The only lack of balance in an uncapped Ballista match is in individual players' Ballista experience and their own ability to gear themselves properly. Some jobs shine more than others, but that's only because the people who play them know what they're doing. Not because the jobs themselves are broken. Cap or no cap, Ballista has it's ups and downs in both situations. I generally refuse to participate in anything capped unless it's with good friends. So I guess you can say it's more about personal preferences than anything. You can't argue about unbalance when your opinion is already clearly biased.

lol hots did you notice that he didn't respond to what I said lol.

uncapped is broken if the other team has the right empy's. Absolutely broken. If you don't know this you either A. don't play with people who have empy weapons. B. play with people who suck. or C. you don't really ballista much

Empy weapons aren't exactly hard to obtain... Anyone on either side could get them. So that doesn't define unbalance, as either opposing team can still be equal. We aren't discussing "broken" we are discussing "balance." 60 cap has it's share of "broken" and "unbalance" in terms of lack of job abilities/traits that may give underprivileged jobs a fighting chance in uncapped. In uncapped, everyone gets to utilize every part of their job, and there certainly are ways around the "broken" jobs. Clearly you just have no clue how to figure this out for yourself.

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Originally Posted by Dart

uncapped is broken if the other team has the right empy's. Absolutely broken. If you don't know this you either A. don't play with people who have empy weapons. B. play with people who suck. or C. you don't really ballista much

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Don't forget about condition D: All of the above.

This is actually one of the very few times that I actually agree with someone on these general forums in regards to Ballista. Dart, you're right.

I think people are missing the point of this thread. Ballista is about having fun and that Video of Selt is amazing, I'm still watching it... I would so love to do something like that!

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Originally Posted by Vyiv

Well, Selt, a well-respected JP player in the Ballista community, posted a recent video of a 30:30 game on Carbuncle (neo-Gilgamesh) of—guess what—Lv60 Ballista on his Youtube channel:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wb8Gm3Mw0M

I wonder how that tallies up.

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Such a video, though pretty darn cool, says nothing about what most people think about level caps in general. 60 cap's popularity is what keeps ballista to nothing more than a cult following. If the average joe is going to do PvP, he's going to want to be at his best while doing it, using all the tools at his disposal. I maintain that 60 cap's supposed better balance is just an illusion and the popularity of 60 cap is purely because of this belief.

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You'd be suprised about emp weapons. They don't stand out as much as you think, outside of abyssea and especially in Ballista, where the damage reductions close the difference between weapons.

Gear is still a factor in 60 cap, and while the gap between the haves and the have nots is smaller, it's still there. You really need to remember what this is all about, though. Fun. Everyone was always having fun, whether I did a 60 or an uncapped. And that's what's most important. Also: Good skill overcomes good gear. Being a good player is far more important than anything else.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Good skill overcomes good gear. Being a good player is far more important than anything else.

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hear hear!

And being a good player with substantial gear is where people get the idea uncapped is "broken!"

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Such a video, though pretty darn cool, says nothing about what most people think about level caps in general. 60 cap's popularity is what keeps ballista to nothing more than a cult following. If the average joe is going to do PvP, he's going to want to be at his best while doing it, using all the tools at his disposal. I maintain that 60 cap's supposed better balance is just an illusion and the popularity of 60 cap is purely because of this belief.

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You'd be suprised about emp weapons. They don't stand out as much as you think, outside of abyssea and especially in Ballista, where the damage reductions close the difference between weapons.

Gear is still a factor in 60 cap, and while the gap between the haves and the have nots is smaller, it's still there. You really need to remember what this is all about, though. Fun. Everyone was always having fun, whether I did a 60 or an uncapped. And that's what's most important. Also: Good skill overcomes good gear. Being a good player is far more important than anything else.

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see my A., B., C. for detail.

I'm guessing that you play with people who suck. As for me i've seen them in action. A lot. They fuck people up majorly.

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Originally Posted by Akujima

I think people are missing the point of this thread. Ballista is about having fun and that Video of Selt is amazing, I'm still watching it... I would so love to do something like that!

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Wish I could meet people on Asura who have "Fun" with Ballista.

Only people i see doing it are cocky A**Clowns who will gloat like a FPS player every time they get even the slightest win.

That and I always seem to be on the team that sucks and dies. >___> They all run into battle like a chicken with their head cut off and die horribly.

I don't see a lot of Ballista on Asura, i wonder if we even have a community for it. Don't even see Dhiorama or w/e going on much either.

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I'm guessing that you play with people who suck. As for me i've seen them in action. A lot. They fuck people up majorly.

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I'm guessing you're an elitist turd. No, I don't "play with people who suck." I've seen empy users get fed up by non-empy users, and vice versa. It certainly is stronger, but it doesn't make you an unstoppable killing machine.

Regardless, you're missing the point.

Thankfully, ever since our server merge, the JP have been doing ballista again.

They'd probably be doing it a lot more though, if the 30/40/50 caps were removed and it was 60cap and no cap only.

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Originally Posted by Akujima

I think people are missing the point of this thread. Ballista is about having fun and that Video of Selt is amazing, I'm still watching it... I would so love to do something like that!

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I'd love to do something like that too, would be super fun. I'd rather do it at 90 cap though honestly

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I'm guessing you're an elitist turd. No, I don't "play with people who suck." I've seen empy users get fed up by non-empy users, and vice versa. It certainly is stronger, but it doesn't make you an unstoppable killing machine.

Regardless, you're missing the point.

Thankfully, ever since our server merge, the JP have been doing ballista again.

They'd probably be doing it a lot more though, if the 30/40/50 caps were removed and it was 60cap and no cap only.

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as i thought, you play with empy users who suck.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Wish I could meet people on Asura who have "Fun" with Ballista.

Only people i see doing it are cocky A**Clowns who will gloat like a FPS player every time they get even the slightest win.

That and I always seem to be on the team that sucks and dies. >___> They all run into battle like a chicken with their head cut off and die horribly.

I don't see a lot of Ballista on Asura, i wonder if we even have a community for it. Don't even see Dhiorama or w/e going on much either.

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at least you get to do it on occasion. It's completely dead on sylph. I've thought of leaving the server for a server that does PvP quite a bit recently. I miss it terribly and since there is no endgame and really no point after you farm your empy weapons anymore, just makes going to a server that does ballista frequently all the more appealing.

Ballista has sort of revived on it's own on Shiva... lately it's been happening a lot :P

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Ballista has sort of revived on it's own on Shiva... lately it's been happening a lot :P

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I'm trying hard over here, (Phoenix.)

It's dead on Ragnarok. There are too many people who don't even know what Ballista is, and put it off thinking it's nothing more than just Rock'em Sock'em style PvP. Too many people to be worth the effort of talking anyone individually into trying it when it's on a set schedule. If Ballista points weren't required to open Diorama, I would go in there by myself and just wait for people to show up!

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Originally Posted by Harukusan

It's dead on Ragnarok. There are too many people who don't even know what Ballista is, and put it off thinking it's nothing more than just Rock'em Sock'em style PvP. Too many people to be worth the effort of talking anyone individually into trying it when it's on a set schedule. If Ballista points weren't required to open Diorama, I would go in there by myself and just wait for people to show up!

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A Tarutaru I like.

I'm on Ragnarok and wanted to try it, check for me online when you are on, I should be playing tonight or tomorrow. I'm in the Alaska time zone, so it might be late for your time. I've got BLM WHM and SAM at level 70+. Only my BLM is at all geared well though.

60s are still lively as ever but 90s are starting to be active now on Lakshmi. :)

To be perfectly honest.

Level 60/30/40/10/5/1/3/2/17 content isn't important anywhere outside of BCNM's (even then thats pushing it.)

PvP isn't any different.

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Originally Posted by Urteil

To be perfectly honest.

Level 60/30/40/10/5/1/3/2/17 content isn't important anywhere outside of BCNM's (even then thats pushing it.)

PvP isn't any different.

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Here Here ^

ballista still dead on bismarck :(

Love these ideas OP.

I'd also like more areas to be implemented. Yuhtunga or Yhoator Jungle anyone? Eastern Altepa Desert?

Changes I'd like the most:

- Tournaments: something like four 4~8-man teams, the winners of the first two matches would then play each other and the final winning team would get the pot of gil/points (could raise the participant fee higher for a more serious atmosphere).

- LS/Official teams and rankings: like the OP said but maybe you could register your LS with the Herald so when you earn points in a match it gets added to your LS ranking and at the end of every month it would calculate your linkshells points per match per person average and if your LS was first you'd get a special title/aura/hat for the month.

- Solution for 30/40/50 caps ''getting in the way'' + new areas: this idea is a little farfetched/silly but if they added 2-3 more areas (preferably for me, Xarcabard and Kahzam/Norg) that would be one area for each cap they have now. So there would always be a 30/40/50/60/uncapped happening or happening within the hour.

-Instant queue: maybe if there was a message that popped up every 15 minutes in a town (that could be turned off, of course) that was along the lines of "Ballista (level cap xx) in xx at xx, join the queue now) and under the party flag on tab there could be a join Ballista queue button and at 21:00 a message box would appear to teleport you to the area.

-Ideas to garner more interest: Higher EXP (2500, 5000 for winners), Ballista earned gear/items (If you could use your chevrons to buy things like Ballista relics or ammo/pet food+items/HQ food maybe even abyssea drop items?), Special emotes/fireworks/furnishings, Ballista Royale (maybe 2-3 times a year)

-Rooks giving HP/MP/TP: when you score a petra you receive 10 HP, MP, and TP, so when you score 5 it's 50 each (nothing too overboard but it would put more emphasis on scoring rather than killing)

That's all I can think of. :p

Queues are stupid.

Gear has aleready been suggested.

Anyone who plays ballista already doesn't need an incentive to score. The only time you don't care is in the diorama; Elsewhere, especially JPs play a serious game.

LS battles: they tried this, no one did it. Next. (Though it was a confusing and difficult to use system).

Just eliminating 30/40/50 is the best way to redo schedule. No one wants to do those. I'd like new venues, but not by level cap.

I just added a bunch of ideas about this as part of my ideal expansion. Just thought I'd add links to them here to add to the discussion.
Arena intro
Ballista specifically
New arena rewards
They seem to overlap with some of the other ideas presented here, but there are several new thoughts that I think will help to draw in a larger crowd and make it more fun for those who already enjoy it.

Such an amazing read... kudos to all the ballistars who posted~

Shame on you dev team, 15 pages and not even one response!!

With everything going on with Abbyssa and Voidwatch It's like nobody wants to do Brenner nor Ballista or even Eco-Warrior no more.

Eco-Warrior!
Good times :3

I Haven't done Eco-Warrior since I was level 20 Back in 2003 ish... For good reason though, It kinda sucks all except for Low levels >_>

Way back in the day though, 5k Gil and a Exp Scroll was the shit.

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Originally Posted by Urteil

To be perfectly honest.

Level 60/30/40/10/5/1/3/2/17 content isn't important anywhere outside of BCNM's (even then thats pushing it.)

PvP isn't any different.

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PvP can be played at level 99. Your argument is invalid.

And my post is stupid, because i didn't even look at the dates or my own dang post up on this page :confused:

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

PvP can be played at level 99. Your argument is invalid.

And my post is stupid, because i didn't even look at the dates or my own dang post up on this page :confused:

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What?

99 is what I PvP in because the maximum level is 99 or was 95, or 85, or 80 or whatever it was/is.

I am confused.

When will PvP/Ballista/Brenner be active again on my server or other servers that are currently inactive? Not some 1v1 junk but the old school ballista team vs team scoring rooks etc. I missed the good old days, way to let off some PvE steam at least.

Add a DOTA-style PVP system, perhaps?

Work on ballista! lol im sure if more people get bored they might pvp now since everyone is on even grounds i suppose at 99....

All mini games in FFXI failed because they never bring rewards up par to the endgame events. And this game requires so much time and devotion to do the main events that just a miniscule minority bothers to touch anything else.

I won't even bother to list them all here. And i don't consider crafting a mini game.

What servers now are actively doing ballista?

None that I know of.

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Originally Posted by Volkai

You mean like Diorama - Abdhaljs Ghelsba or Diorama - Purgonorgo, which are respectively in Ru'Lude Gardens and Upper Jeuno, both a short hop from the densely populated Port Jeuno?

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youll be surprised to find there is a pursuviant in each city willing to teleport you to any place for ballista along with volkais mentioning of teles to brenner