So are they banning people on the brew holds?

Wow man you seriously need to get your anger under control. You have already proved yourself delusional by threatening people, and seriously believing SE would rather keep you <1 person> over the rest of the people that play. SE has answered the brew question, you don't like their answer so you rant and rave about "cheaters". If it bothers you that much, quit and save your 12.95 or whatever every month.

If you save your $12.95 a month maybe you can get that help that you seem to really require. I don't think I've ever seen anyone get this worked up over a video game and I doubt that it's healthy.

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

I'd like for you to answer the question that was presented to you.

Since you like to compare to salvage so much, I can guarantee you if you were tripling drops and called a GM and told them about it, they would not say that things were working as intended.

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One, I won't touch Salvage for that reason -- it's a cheaters' game mechanic which should've been removed when the investigation indicated the level of abuse.

Two, I don't believe you when you say that unequivocably.

In fact, I begin to openly wonder if Square-Enix has a certain set of players they will allow to rip the game apart because they are deemed "more equal than others". I've had numerous people tell me that.

Please, dear God, tell me the players aren't this stupid!!

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Originally Posted by Kazen

If you save your $12.95 a month maybe you can get that help that you seem to really require. I don't think I've ever seen anyone get this worked up over a video game and I doubt that it's healthy.

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It ain't just about the game.

If you took one freaking look at the attitudes all over this board during the games' suspension, you'd realize that your arrogance (collectively and individually) goes far beyond when you log in and out of Vana'diel.

That's what honks me off far worse -- you play as you are.

You know a lot of the threats you're making could land you in court if SE really finds you to be a threat.

You may hate how they play but getting yourself fined or thrown in jail over it is stupid. What good will you do there?

How am I arrogant? I've never claimed to be superior nor have I said I'm better than any other poster here. I act the same exact way in game as I do on these forums. I play as I am because I am who I am. I don't have any sort of superiority complex like you seem to have.

I'm not really seeing any attitudes on this forum, but rather I'm seeing a full spectrum of players in different stages of the game. Every game has it's more skillful players and less skillful players. Obviously this means that you're going to see differing opinions but that is not the meaning of arrogance.

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You know a lot of the threats you're making could land you in court if SE really finds you to be a threat.

You may hate how they play but getting yourself fined or thrown in jail over it is stupid. What good will you do there?

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Free sex, duh

I've had to learn over the years that my very presence is considered "threatening". So I have to deal on that level.

The very fact that I play FFXI is "threatening", because I refuse to accept the rampant cheating which is necessary for the community.

I've already gone to jail once over this type of stuff -- hence my earlier comment on "psycho posts" which was removed.

Rational discourse does not work on those whose agendas are to cheat their way to absolute dominance. You call them out and you hold them answerable. If that doesn't work in the eyes of Square-Enix, then they have but one alternative: to remove those who call them out as "threatening" to the community of FFXI.

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How am I arrogant? I've never claimed to be superior nor have I said I'm better than any other poster here. I act the same exact way in game as I do on these forums. I play as I am because I am who I am. I don't have any sort of superiority complex like you seem to have.

I'm not really seeing any attitudes on this forum, but rather I'm seeing a full spectrum of players in different stages of the game. Every game has it's more skillful players and less skillful players. Obviously this means that you're going to see differing opinions but that is not the meaning of arrogance.

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Then you have very selective memory, Kazen.

Threats and Violence will never solve anything. Arguing with people over the internet and threatening them just makes you look like a maniac. You lose any credibility, thus shooting yourself in the foot.

You don't have to accept something just because you feel you do. You could easily change your ways to not resort to being threatening. "Rampant Cheating" isn't a norm in this game. I have never brew-held, Even though i recognize is a game mechanic, I don't do it cause i've never had a reason too.

SE doesn't accept Cheating, Salvage bans, the Special Task Force, Absolute Virtue bans, Stuff like that proves they will ban cheaters when they have proof and find it.

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Threats and Violence will never solve anything. Arguing with people over the internet and threatening them just makes you look like a maniac. You lose any credibility, thus shooting yourself in the foot.

You don't have to accept something just because you feel you do. You could easily change your ways to not resort to being threatening. "Rampant Cheating" isn't a norm in this game. I have never brew-held, Even though i recognize is a game mechanic, I don't do it cause i've never had a reason too.

SE doesn't accept Cheating, Salvage bans, the Special Task Force, Absolute Virtue bans, Stuff like that proves they will ban cheaters when they have proof and find it.

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Square-Enix absolutely accepts cheating in numerous forms. Windower, numerous exploits they refuse to anything about, not arresting RMT and putting them in prison, not doing the same to bot-creators, etc. and so forth.

Square-Enix accepts cheating, it appears, because it has to to keep FFXI alive. And that is repulsive to me.

I have no credibility in the FFXI community, because I want no part of it.

How do they go about arresting RMT and putting them in prison? The ToS is not a contract affected by any sort of law. Breaking the ToS is not illegal. I'm not even going to go into the issue of international law because that just goes even another step beyond to show they can't do much.

SE accepts "cheating" like windower because they can't detect it as it is client side data and the game isn't coded in a way where they have access to that sort of data.

Well thats a lie and we both know it. if you didn't want any part of this you wouldn't be here trying to change it, complaining about it, Or making threats over it.

That being said, there are other ways to go about it, and SE does not openly accept these cheats. people have been banned for Windower, very few admittedly cause you basically have to say "I use Windower" for them to ban you.

They don't accept Cheating, They can simply do nothing about it without proof. Furthermore, They have pressed charges against someone over FFXI, I don't recall his name but it was in the news.

And you can't Arrest RMT unfortunately the law doesn't work that way. They can't/won't issue international warrants for RMT, thats absurd.

You have no reason to be so upset simply because people don't play how you want them too. If you feel everyone is cheating, Play a Single Player game. You have no reason to have mental break-downs every time someone pops a Moogle Specs.

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How do they go about arresting RMT and putting them in prison? The ToS is not a contract affected by any sort of law. Breaking the ToS is not illegal. I'm not even going to go into the issue of international law because that just goes even another step beyond to show they can't do much.

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I've got a blog-ful of posts which show you are wrong. In fact, if what you said was not right, there would be no clause in the contract (and it IS a contract which we agree to with Square-Enix!) that all disputes are settled with California law with American players, for one example.

The acquisition of gear through illegal means could be considered criminal theft in the state of California.

I guess I should not be surprised. The arrogance of people like you knows no end. If there were no contract, and no legal basis to remove RMT and jail them, then there is no illegality of RMT at all, and the central basis that Square-Enix owns the game and everything in it is null and void.

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Well thats a lie and we both know it. if you didn't want any part of this you wouldn't be here trying to change it, complaining about it, Or making threats over it.

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I said the "community", not the forum. I would rather disrupt the community and it's acceptance on cheaters.

I do not play this game to make friends.

I do not play this game to be a part of a "community" based on fraud.

It's that simple.

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That being said, there are other ways to go about it, and SE does not openly accept these cheats. people have been banned for Windower, very few admittedly cause you basically have to say "I use Windower" for them to ban you.

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And even that could be considered fraudulent because of the number of people known by any such survey of the situation be using Windower and other illegal third-party baloney.

All they have to do is go into blogs and other pictoral galleries of FFXI play and they can find Windower users and ban them.

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They don't accept Cheating, They can simply do nothing about it without proof. Furthermore, They have pressed charges against someone over FFXI, I don't recall his name but it was in the news.

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After he made, what, $200,000 or so off his bots??? (I think we're talking about the same guy...)

Square-Enix accepts cheating as a part of the survival of the game. Otherwise, ban Windower and ALL who use it.

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And you can't Arrest RMT unfortunately the law doesn't work that way. They can't/won't issue international warrants for RMT, thats absurd.

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Then Square-Enix' ownership of the game, as expressly stated in every Terms of Service/other such document they have, is null and void. Ownership, in this realm, means you have the control (absolute control) of dissemination. If I can go sell accounts, gil, etc. for real money without being held to the legal theft it is, Square-Enix no longer has that right.

And it is that ownership which is the basis for all other rules and procedures in the game.

Okay, Seriously you have problems. You are an arrogant self-righteous Psychopath who has no right to exist in this Society.

I Hope you get locked up and thrown in jail, You are a threat to everyone around you, and your temper and anger issues will eventually lead to criminal acts.

Its obvious you have simply no grasp on the difference between reality and video game. You have problems. Immediately seek help please.

There is no reason for anyone to take such a serious stance over a Video Game. It's not Real. They don't need to issue International Criminal Warrants over a Video game.

lol if you think California law poses any threat to people who are not in the United States(or even in the United States for that matter) over breaking something as simple as a video game ToS.

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lol if you think California law poses any threat to people who are not in the United States(or even in the United States for that matter) over breaking something as simple as a video game ToS.

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Or, more accurately, not even breaking it, but playing it a certain way which he doesn't like.

I bet he's the kind of person who thinks that bluffing in poker is also "cheating."

Hello Everybody!

We appreciate all the concern shown regarding this issue and others brought up in this discussion.

We are going to go ahead a lock this thread, now, as the question by the OP has been answered. As always, if you feel there is an ongoing problem in our game or if you wish to report third party program use, you can via the /helpdesk in game. One of my GMs will be happy to help out or point you in the right direction.

Thank you, as always.

-Senior Game Master Jhanaka