FFXIV A Realm Reborn

At least some people are skeptical but willing to try XIV.

It's still in a closed BETA and has 1 million+ players. I've played every NA Final Fanatasy and RPG from SE since Mystic Quest and I can tell you if you're a FF fan missing XIV is completely your loss.

XI had great lore, and original ideas, but for once I'm seeing SE utilize all the amazing FF lore, and things that worked from previous games into one "True FF MMO" They've borrowed from

FF1: Warriors of Light
FF3: Crystal Tower
http://i44.tinypic.com/r03510.jpg
FF4: Dragoon AF, and some story
FF5: Jobs system
FF6: Magitek Riders, Empire
FF7: Materia, Aetheryte, Golden Saucer, Limit Breaks
FF11: Races, Monsters, 3 base cities, numerious other things,
FF12: Judge like Emperial Legetus's & Hunting Logs
http://i43.tinypic.com/1pgyzk.jpg
FF13: numerious monsters, ideas

AND FFXIV:
Quests
in depth Crafting & Gathering
Primals and new beast tribes
Housing
unique story
new lore
new battlesystem
Many more new things..

This shows a good selection
http://youtu.be/HHnxfrvgdqw

"The Red Moon" in reference to Dalamud is also a tiny homage to FF IV =D

Nothing from FFX saddens me greatly.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

If you are fine with playing a bland carbon copy of every other mmo then maybe it is for you, it doesn't really seem to have any soul to the game honestly, it's like something a room full of suits put together by copying stuff from other companies that put more though into their games. There is nothing unique or exciting in XIV at all and that is one of the major reasons you will log into it and just rush to cap for "endgame". You won't make a group to level with and make friends, you'ill do boring quest after boring quest and do instanced dungeons when the cross server matcher finally makes the group for you. You won't get the vast array of different content XI had and you won't get the community built out of party based leveling.

For me I want something unique in a new mmo that will make the massive investment of my time and money worthwhile, the majority of MMO players are really not easy to satisfy these days (look at the massive player drop in Gw2) because they've seen this "ingredients to make an mmo" over and over again and with a game that cost as much to create as XIV did being bland and unoriginal as it is not going to ensure it gets the large long-term following it needs.

XIV has nice graphics which don't really beat what's out there now or have the charm of XI imo (and certainly not the newer games coming out soon) it has nothing from XI which made it great and it simply copies the norm of every other newer mmo. Maybe you think that's the key to success? Offer a product totally unlike the previous one that was successfull and offer a bland copy of every other new mmo that failed to beat the product it was based on.

If as a XI player you are looking to get into XIV thinking you will be playing something very much like XI but prettier you will be sorely dissapointed. XIV is nothing like XI at all, it's as far away from it as you can get without paying a sub to Blizzard. If you are on the fence just go and play the beta for free, actually playing the game does far more than looking at some pretty pictures that tell you nothing about the game.

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You have have no argument whatsoever. This is bandwagon hate at its finest.

You state no whys. You give no reasons. You say the game is bland and has no soul, simply because it uses systems that have been proven to work?

I'm actually glad you aren't going to play it. I feel sorry for any server you would end up going to with that kind of idiotic attitude.

By Runespider's logic every car/tv/etc must bring something new to it instead of taking what works and improving/flavoring them.

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Originally Posted by Finuve

I'm pretty sure the words "MMO Standards" are the reason this genre has become so boring and stale

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Now go explain that to game producers and to the public as well.

Look at how they treated 11 while it was making them money hand over fist and all the blunder along the way from the devs. Most likely dictated by the higher ups to drag out content as long as they could anyway possible, using 1% drop rates, 24 hour spawns, pitting the players against each to claim those spawns so on.

So ask your self this can you really expect not to be treated like that again or do you have confidence that SE would be willing to devote the resources needed to follow the WoW model of the gear treadmill. Before some one says it won't be like WoW with a gear treadmill then what would it be like, follow the EQ/FFXI model which they seem to be moving away from and since they failed so badly at being different the higher ups are not going to allow for anything else that is unproven. I personally can enjoy both WoW treadmill or the grind of EQ/FFXI but I just can't see SE having the resources or willingness to do it right to support a decent gear treadmill.

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Originally Posted by Ravenmore

Look at how they treated 11 while it was making them money hand over fist and all the blunder along the way from the devs. Most likely dictated by the higher ups to drag out content as long as they could anyway possible, using 1% drop rates, 24 hour spawns, pitting the players against each to claim those spawns so on.

So ask your self this can you really expect not to be treated like that again or do you have confidence that SE would be willing to devote the resources needed to follow the WoW model of the gear treadmill. Before some one says it won't be like WoW with a gear treadmill then what would it be like, follow the EQ/FFXI model which they seem to be moving away from and since they failed so badly at being different the higher ups are not going to allow for anything else that is unproven. I personally can enjoy both WoW treadmill or the grind of EQ/FFXI but I just can't see SE having the resources or willingness to do it right to support a decent gear treadmill.

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Your concerns about direction given XI's past history are valid, and while I cannot predict the future, I can say that the outlook is by far more promising than I'd ever seen in XI's history (I've been around since NA launch back in October 2003).

To start with, we have different directors/producers at the wheel. XI's lifecycle was mostly led by Hiromichi Tanaka, whom I dubbed a "brick wall". Under his direction, there was almost no community input, dev responses or updates, or even interviews. The only times people could really approach him or his team was at the Vana/Fanfestivals, and most of the time, we were given one of two responses "I don't know" [hi Sage Sundi!] or "We'll look into it".

Back during his time, the idea of official forums was brought up A LOT, and I wish I could find it, but I specifically remember Tanaka responding with "we have no plans for running an official forum. It would require too much resources to man them in multiple languages."

Fastforward 2011, we get XI forums. Hurray! Now we get to offer feedback and we get to have a closer relationship with the devs than before. Guess what? Tanaka is no longer in charge! (yes I know he came back for a brief stint, but he was just as quickly out the door again xD)

The same scenario happened over at XIV as soon as Tanaka resigned. Almost immediately, Yoshida began a relationship with the community, giving us some kind of commentary on what was going on at their end, what his future plans were, and how he was going to go about implementing said things. He has maintained this constant involvement with the community, and it shows.

Yoshida is the reason I have hope XIV won't go down the same, brickwall path XI suffered for so many years. It is a shame that XI spent so many years closed off from the devs that naturally many are untrusting of the direction the game is going. I can only hope that whatever it is Matsui is planning, that he does so carefully and meaningfully. As always, I may not be an active player, but I have always followed the update notes to see what is going on in the development cycle, and I try to keep optimistic that one day this game will see some good days again.

While having different producers and directors they still have the same higher ups that will be controlling the purse strings. The people in charge of the money will be rather tight with it seeing how 14 was the straw that broke SE's back and lead to massive losses for the company. Yes they put a lot of money into the rebuild but you can bet they have taken that from some where else long the way for 14 most likely from the first expansions budget.

While we can shout all day that it is a completely different game investors won't give two craps about that and only see FF14 as a venture that lost money, SE is aware of this as well since they didn't mention 14 once during their E3 event which is aimed mostly at investors. I fear that if it doesn't live up to investors expectations(which can be unrealistic) then expansions will be slow coming which would not sit well with the gear treadmill type MMO.

What investors are you talking about, specifically? It's been stated at least twice that SE has funded XIV entirely on their own money, therefore they don't have to pay any investors back. The only other company that is capable of doing the same thing is Blizzard.

I think all their money woes would disappear if they released a sequel to the FF: Spirits Within movie. :D It was such a huge success! D: (But seriously, I liked it anyway. XD)

FFXIV: A realm stillborn.

I'll be happy to see it flop and they will be forced to re-invest into FFXI.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

FFXIV: A realm stillborn.

I'll be happy to see it flop and they will be forced to re-invest into FFXI.

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Keep dreaming. If it dies, XI dies too, and so does the entire company.

Haters gonna hate '-'

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Originally Posted by Runespider

FFXIV: A realm stillborn.

I'll be happy to see it flop and they will be forced to re-invest into FFXI.

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As much as I would welcome a "FFXI: A Realm Reborn" it's not gonna happen.
If FFXIV ARR fails, likely all of SE is gonna go down, so logically FFXI would too...

Well, not like FFXI isn't going down already lol xD

If anything, you should be praying XIV does well >.> more revenue means more bankroll for more devs and more devs can mean a possible overhaul...shoot we might even get them to drop the ps2! /miraclesdohappen

Not at all, the better XIV does the more FFXI will be left to die. Not that I actually think XIV ARR will be a success, playing it has shown me of that.

When XIV flops and gets player numbers like XIV V1 did XI will dwarf it in profits again, that's the point you make sure the money keeps flowing in and where you really look after what you have that makes money. XIV flopping won't do anything but embarass the company and put lots of effort back into XI, it won't cripple them. It just isn't that important.

The single best thing that can happen to XI is XIV failing again, anything else is the nail in the coffin of this game. XIV will smother the life out of XI very quickly if it does well.

No matter how you want to slice it, these 2 games are direct competition for each other. Nothing good can come from XIV doing well for this game or its community. Competition for FF players, syphoning off of development staff and money. The only people that say otherwise are the XIV players here preaching it about their competing game. XIV is as direct competition and as dangerous to XI as World of warcraft was, it shoudl be treated as such.

Wow, some people are so closed minded. FFXIV is already a huge success, and it's in beta, just wait till the release. If you feel this is a WoW clone there is no helping you, and people shouldn't even bother. NEWS FLASH - I'm pretty sure Yoshi himself stated that the failure of ARR is to the point of "company breaking". There is nowhere else for XI to turn, they lost a lot of their playerbase and weren't getting enough new players anyway due to the fact that it's not easy for new players to join the game. The only way up for XI would be to recreate the grind game you all expect, and trust me that really is not going to happen, so keep dreaming.

Runespider you come across as incredibly angry about XIV doing well. I actually feel sorry for you, genuinely, because XIV will inevitably do well. Have you played the game? Have you viewed the forums? It's already a success and the plans they have mentioned sound 100x better than any generic MMO on the market today. Of course content may vary but I have no doubts that SE will deliver, and it will go far. If you hold onto XI you're going to be disappointed either way. If FFXIV fails, XI will die a lot faster than if it succeeds.

SE own FFXI and XIV, so the 2 competing is not even worth worrying about because no matter what happens, they get the money. They knew XI was losing players and was getting old with the PS2 system limitations from 10 years ago so created a replacement that they could keep upgrading by developing it for PC. The overall MMO community however has also moved on with technology and there are certain aspects that have to stay if they are to bring in new players. If they recreate an exact carbon copy of XI, the only players they will get are veteran XI players and that certainly isn't enough for them to make their money back.

By using aspects from other successful MMO's that are easy to navigate and figure out due to their popular nature (UI/Questing system) they can attract players that have never before played an MMO, more so than any computer based MMO due to the release on consoles and Japanese player base. This will undoubtedly bring in a lot more players than just releasing XI-2. They've also kept so much from the Final Fantasy series, and bits and pieces from almost every single Final Fantasy game. Somebody mentioned on the beta forums that they also had plans to add famous bosses from all over the series. Demon Wall, Omega, Gilgamesh are all confirmed with others mentioned later on in the game.

To say this is not a Final Fantasy because it has a similar UI to other MMO's is ridiculous, honestly. If you do not want to play because it is not your precious XI then that's fine, but you are seriously missing out on what could potentially be one of the best new MMO's in a very long time. Your close-minded nature will let you down I can assure you that.

Looking forward to XIV sinking and XI getting the money and devs it deserves is all. This is a post about a competing MMO on the XI forum, I don't have to be polite about a game I dislike and is competition for mine. Go post on your own game forum and if you thought it was going to do so well you wouldn't be trying to convert XI players with all the XIV love posts or defending it at the speed of light would you?

I don't need to convert people and am only defending it against your stupidity, but in reality it doesn't need defending it's doing well enough on its own. The last I'm going to say to you and the only thing I need to say to you is wait and see. You're inevitably going to be disappointed.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

Looking forward to XIV sinking and XI getting the money and devs it deserves is all. This is a post about a competing MMO on the XI forum, I don't have to be polite about a game I dislike and is competition for mine. Go post on your own game forum and if you thought it was going to do so well you wouldn't be trying to convert XI players with all the XIV love posts or defending it at the speed of light would you?

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XI is finished either way, you might as well just enjoy what little fun it still has yet to give you. All the hope for XIVs success or failure doesn't change the fact XI is on the decline both in players and resources.

If XIV fails its more likely XI could further suffer from cost cutting measures as SE attempts to reel from a double whammy of losses. I highly doubt they'd pull this game as it's a cash cow but the cow would definitely go on a bare bones plan if it already isn't. Really, you should look to XIVs success as the game carries on the spirit of FFXI to a new generation of customers and players.

The FFXI of 2013 isn't the FFXI of 2005 anyway.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

Not at all, the better XIV does the more FFXI will be left to die. Not that I actually think XIV ARR will be a success, playing it has shown me of that.

When XIV flops and gets player numbers like XIV V1 did XI will dwarf it in profits again, that's the point you make sure the money keeps flowing in and where you really look after what you have that makes money. XIV flopping won't do anything but embarass the company and put lots of effort back into XI, it won't cripple them. It just isn't that important.

The single best thing that can happen to XI is XIV failing again, anything else is the nail in the coffin of this game. XIV will smother the life out of XI very quickly if it does well.

No matter how you want to slice it, these 2 games are direct competition for each other. Nothing good can come from XIV doing well for this game or its community. Competition for FF players, syphoning off of development staff and money. The only people that say otherwise are the XIV players here preaching it about their competing game. XIV is as direct competition and as dangerous to XI as World of warcraft was, it shoudl be treated as such.

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New CEO of SE said the profitable games/projects will get money, why does XI have less devs now, because they reduced the number of people they had to pay to make it still bring in money with their declining subscriptions. XIV failing, which I doubt it will, wouldn't do XI any good, unless XI got a large influx of people from XIV, and that's not going to happen. The numbers for XI were falling before the beta for XIV. XI will loose some for the launch of XIV, which will mean less subs for XI, so less resources for XI. If XIV fails, not all of those people that left XI for XIV will go back, they left because they were looking for something else to begin with, but XI will get some back, so they may get an increase in resources, but not enough to bring it back to where it is now. The current community right now is the biggest hope XI has, if they keep on putting new players down, and not accepting the fact that their game needs to change to bring in more numbers, they will just keep driving people away, until the game shuts down, thus upsetting the developers working on the game, so they will quit, and move onto Hello Kitty Online, infusing it with all of the ideas the short sighted community of XI refused to accept, making it a global juggernaut.

I think Square Enix will be shutting down sooner than we expect. Not ff11, ff114, but the company itself. They still do the same mistakes previous big softhouses did in the past and were shutdown.

Listen, I personally don't know if FFXIV will be a big success, I hope it does very well, but if it does well or if it flops I really don't think it'll cause doom for SE, SE is a great company that has a lot of great games, sure the Final Fantasy franchise will take yet another rep. hit, but IF it does flop, fans like me will still support SE and FF. Like my Wife says "we need to stop the forum bickering, the community is the most damaging part of FFXI/FFXIV life, because everyone is fighting and trashing one or the other games" like I posted in another thread we'll play both games, and support SE and Final Fantasy reguardless of FFXI or FFXIV outcome, who knows we may find that both can co-exist for years.

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Originally Posted by Runespider

FFXIV: A realm stillborn.

I'll be happy to see it flop and they will be forced to re-invest into FFXI.

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The naivety of this post... is astounding. Do you really think with all of the problems this company has been having with Final Fantasy in general as of late that they would put more money into this sinking ship once they lose an enormous investment of money on not just 1 FFXIV, but a second reborn version?! That is flat out hilarious that you believe they would do something so idiotic.

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Originally Posted by DarkStoneDragon

Listen, I personally don't know if FFXIV will be a big success, I hope it does very well, but if it does well or if it flops I really don't think it'll cause doom for SE, SE is a great company that has a lot of great games, sure the Final Fantasy franchise will take yet another rep. hit, but IF it does flop, fans like me will still support SE and FF. Like my Wife says "we need to stop the forum bickering, the community is the most damaging part of FFXI/FFXIV life, because everyone is fighting and trashing one or the other games" like I posted in another thread we'll play both games, and support SE and Final Fantasy reguardless of FFXI or FFXIV outcome, who knows we may find that both can co-exist for years.

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Except it was stated before that SE cannot afford for XIV to fail, or the whole company sinks. I'll try to find the interview xD

I too will keep supporting SE, either by console games or through XI/XIV, but people who hope XIV will fail in hopes that XI will get a facelift are just kidding themselves.

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Originally Posted by Spectreman

I think Square Enix will be shutting down sooner than we expect. Not ff11, ff114, but the company itself. They still do the same mistakes previous big softhouses did in the past and were shutdown.

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The company itself still makes a lot of money off of its other games, only Final Fantasy has really been going down hill as of late, Tomb Raider & Hitman did well so far as I know, Dragon Quest is still doin well so far as I know, they have a lot of other smaller games, and lets not forget Kingdom Hearts, which is a fantastic game, and has 1.5 as well as III coming out. The company itself is doing well for the most part I think, but Final Fantasy, its going to hell right now, unless FFXIII-3, FFXIV, and FFXV do some good things to pull it back up as well as FFX/-2HD if it does well, after all it was one of their best in my opinion as well as many others. All in all Final Fantasy right now has a chance at either messing up again, or remaking a name for itself, but I think SE as a company will survive either way most likely. The biggest problem I think they have overall is they spread themselves to thin, because it seems like they have at very least 6~8 things in the works, if not more, between X/-2HD, XIII-3, XIV, XV, KH1.5, KHIII, and maybe more, just 6 games from their main series alone though.

Tomb Raider and Hitman and Sleeping Dogs were considered failures by SE because they did not meet self expectations of units sold. It was a case of unrealistic expectations on the part of SE.

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Originally Posted by Mifaco

Are there any vestiges of stupid FFXI limitations?

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I'd say it depends on what kind of limitations you mean exactly.

They are no doubt working within the memory limitations of the PS3 (and lower-end personal computators), so you could imagine something like, I don't know, animations for characters (player/chocobo\et al), or options for additional sound effects for certain things being impossible to add (for the time being at least).

So yes, there are quite a lot of limitations.

Will you notice them any time soon?

Probably not, unless you know where to look for, and/or until time catches on. ^^

Runespider, I hate to disagree with you on everything. In fact, I feel completely the opposite. FFXI has come and gone and the best of what was promised ages ago with fixes on jobs and summons has not come...yet. I do not find a reason to come back to FFXI anymore. There is NOTHING to do on there. Not even my LS is active anymore, and everyone has gone to FFXIV: ARR now. Plus I cannot find the motivation to get things done. Everything is slow. And boring. Slow, and even more boring. Even though the exp gain has increased in FFXI, I still find that battles take a bit too long :( FFXIV: ARR hits the right spot. Square-Enix made FFXIV: ARR to be the spiritual successor to FFXI, whether you like it or not. I'm leaving my FFXI to rot for good now on the game (I would never delete him due to the memories, I'll just let his corpse fester). His "new skin" is now on ARR and he's found a much better place to thrive.

If anything, YOU are the one who is delusional about ARR being a waste. It's not. It's the FIX of what FFXI should be if it ever did get upgraded. If FFXIV: ARR flops, FFXI goes down the shitter, too. If FFXIV: ARR succeeds, FFXI will dwindle away. Either way, it's a double-edge sword. FFXI is so archaic that I cannot stand it any longer. I mean, look at the areas. There are NO ambient shadows/lighting in the areas; trees and buildings give off no shadows, and the only shadows given off are from players, NPCs, and monsters. The game looks like an upscaled N64 game to me. It's just pathetic. The only good thing FFXI has is its content, storyline, and such. It's a unique snowflake, but one that is rooted in the past of MMOs. Take it as you will, but if "you" continue to live in the past along with FFXI, you will be sadly left behind on a dying game.

that settles it guys, FFXIV is better than FFXI because it has shadows

High-definition shadows of chocobo butt.

There's mainly only 2 types. Wouldn't you choose the one that would cause you to be... successful. There's very little you can do to revolutionalize the mmorpg world. You have a character and it can grow and explore. SE has just taken the best from everything and put their own spin to it and made a very solid game. No matter how you feel about FFXIV, i can easily say that it's far better than FFXI. Especially if you have nothing left to explore but adoulin.

The thing about FFXIV:ARR is that it makes me feel like when I first played FFXI. The storyline is compelling and interesting, the characters are well fleshed out and unique, it's a much more engaging experience much like how i found FFXI was when it was first released.
I actually enjoy talking to random NPC's because they have character that shines through in their dialogue. I actually enjoy exploring the world because it is beautiful and mysterious. I actually enjoy the battle system because no matter what class I play as I am useful to those around me. I enjoy these things so much that when I am not playing, I just can't wait to log on again and play some more.

These are things that I enjoyed doing in FFXI before it became a disjointed mish mash of content that quickly became quantity over quality. I think it was a few years ago that I actually played FFXI and had real fun, opposed to a flicker of satisfaction echoing from a flame that died out years ago. Like I've said before, FFXI needs to die sooner rather than later so that it can retain some dignity, opposed to being strung out on the bare minimum life support until all that is left is a old withered carcass that no one recognises anymore.

This will be my last post here, my subscription ends shortly!

As beta test (FFXIV) ended couple of hours ago, I can say its really nice to be able to have a party automatically made for you via the Duty Finder, hell you can start off making your own party with friends and then use the DF to automatically get any other class needed! Had a blast playing with random people cross-server, I don't think I could ever go back to playing without this feature!

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This will be my last post here, my subscription ends shortly!

As beta test (FFXIV) ended couple of hours ago, I can say its really nice to be able to have a party automatically made for you via the Duty Finder, hell you can start off making your own party with friends and then use the DF to automatically get any other class needed! Had a blast playing with random people cross-server, I don't think I could ever go back to playing without this feature!

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Agreed! The Duty Finder is a godsend and a blessing to the game. I was able to get a party under 2 minutes this past weekend with Ifrit.

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Originally Posted by Deifact

The thing about FFXIV:ARR is that it makes me feel like when I first played FFXI. The storyline is compelling and interesting, the characters are well fleshed out and unique, it's a much more engaging experience much like how i found FFXI was when it was first released.
I actually enjoy talking to random NPC's because they have character that shines through in their dialogue. I actually enjoy exploring the world because it is beautiful and mysterious. I actually enjoy the battle system because no matter what class I play as I am useful to those around me. I enjoy these things so much that when I am not playing, I just can't wait to log on again and play some more.

These are things that I enjoyed doing in FFXI before it became a disjointed mish mash of content that quickly became quantity over quality. I think it was a few years ago that I actually played FFXI and had real fun, opposed to a flicker of satisfaction echoing from a flame that died out years ago. Like I've said before, FFXI needs to die sooner rather than later so that it can retain some dignity, opposed to being strung out on the bare minimum life support until all that is left is a old withered carcass that no one recognises anymore.

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Basically, Eorzea is fresh and new. This is what FFXI is lacking. People say an upgrade to graphics will bring back people and revitalize the game. My interest hasn't died down because of looks however. It's because 95% of this world is a been there, done that experience. We get new lands every now and then and new mobs, but it doesn't erase the grinding on this old, slow system we've been using over the past years. What this game needs to do in order to get people involved in it again is to add a new expansion that is the size of the current game with quests and missions, then update the ui, battle system, and graphics. Basically a new game. Hmm... so... would that not be what FFXIV is??? O.o

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Originally Posted by Miiyo

Basically, Eorzea is fresh and new. This is what FFXI is lacking. People say an upgrade to graphics will bring back people and revitalize the game. My interest hasn't died down because of looks however. It's because 95% of this world is a been there, done that experience. We get new lands every now and then and new mobs, but it doesn't erase the grinding on this old, slow system we've been using over the past years. What this game needs to do in order to get people involved in it again is to add a new expansion that is the size of the current game with quests and missions, then update the ui, battle system, and graphics. Basically a new game. Hmm... so... would that not be what FFXIV is??? O.o

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This is pretty much what most of us have been saying. A UI upgrade, while it would be welcome, misses the point entirely. It seems that even the developers are simply out of ideas for FFXI and unwilling to change their core philosophy to keep up with more current MMOs.

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Originally Posted by Hayward

This is pretty much what most of us have been saying. A UI upgrade, while it would be welcome, misses the point entirely. It seems that even the developers are simply out of ideas for FFXI and unwilling to change their core philosophy to keep up with more current MMOs.

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As I've mentioned before, there's also a ton of things that need to be revamped/overhauled/fixed in this game. Better to build from the ground up, it seems. Well, unless your name is World of Warcraft. Then you can afford to revamp/rebuild/delete/replace/redesign/overhaul stuff without batting an eye.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

As I've mentioned before, there's also a ton of things that need to be revamped/overhauled/fixed in this game. Better to build from the ground up, it seems. Well, unless your name is World of Warcraft. Then you can afford to revamp/rebuild/delete/replace/redesign/overhaul stuff without batting an eye.

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Yeah this. It would take a UI revamp, a graphics overhaul, and brand new zones for me to be interested in XI again. ARR is offering all of this. But...

The most important thing for me is character growth in more than just numbers. I have 17 classes/jobs + gathering/crafting classes for this in ARR. I took multiple breaks from XI and only came back when my jobs had something new to do. Merit Group II, addition of Afflatus/Composure, level cap increase, Embrava/Kaustra.

For me, it's really that character growth that I'm missing. Weapons and armor with bigger numbers doesn't do anything at all for me. If they got on the new merits and new SPs, I might even overlook the XI graphics and UI when I want a break from ARR.

The more and more I see of the game the more I want to play it! Summoner looks great!

Here's the full Tour of the endgame World, also showing off Summoner & Scholar!
http://youtu.be/v0w5dyfENwA


and If you're curious what dungeon options ARR has, this video shows you up to level 30 dungeons (about half of the ones that'll be open at launch):
http://youtu.be/Kbr_h_d5g2Q