Long Holding Times for Delve NMs

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Originally Posted by raps1355

Also empy are available to all and are soloable so every player should at the bare minimum have at least 1 85 empy. Any magian stat path weapon for 2 handers are simply unacceptable.

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Your out of line. Sure Emps are easy to make by compare to other weapons and are great for the effort you put in but to say everyone should have one it stupid. When you play a job like DRK or DRG your Emps are flat out trash, so far as 2 handed Emps go only 3 are good anyways, GA, GK, and H2H, the only other 3 are GS, Scythe, and Polearm, all 3 of which are bad. I know what I hope you meant, but what you actually said is completely untrue.

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Originally Posted by Damane

Besides you have 2 options to deal with the NMs. outside with 20 min timer limit or inside with 45 min timer. If you cant kill them outside, try inside delve with 45 min. If you cant kill it inside (and they dont rage inside at all) in 45 min, you have definitly issues with either your setup or the players you are takeing in (skill or gear wise)

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For any IV/V NMs inside the fracture its effectively 30mins otherwise I agree with your post

I feel it's time to look back at an older quote:

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Originally Posted by Camate

we will continue to make adjustments as necessary, and we will be making it so strategy and play style variations can be developed instead of having to win with a huge amount of fire power in a short amount of time.

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Apparently, he lied!

Just did T4 Morimar outside, using a zerg strat, Delve Weapon only DDs and multiple 2hour abilities during it we made it to around 28% before it depopped due to the time limit. I think the timer needs to be extended to 30 minutes, which is standard for most events anyways. It is a good solid number, easier to keep track of, and it would have meant the difference between my victory and failure today. If you wanted to avoid simple zerging as you made it seem then you did just the opposite because even with simply zerging it we still failed, which means if a strong zerg can not win in enough time, a stronger zerg is needed, but thats all it is still, just a zerg. Unless something changes, we will be forced like many others events to once again simply go in swinging as fast and hard as we can without any regard for proper strategy or planing outside of 'kill it before it kills you' which is unbecoming of this content.

Did you blind the Peiste? I'm merely curious.

I kept it Blinded, Gravity II'd, and Dia III'd the entire duration of the fight, we also had BRDs and CORs doing swaps the entire battle redoing buffs as needed. I was the RDM so I can personally vouch it was up at all times except for maybe at most 10 seconds between times it wore, but Blind itself was lasting roughly 5 minutes a cast so it was down at most about 30 seconds.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

Delve Weapon only DDs

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I'm sorry, but I have a real hard time believing this.
Your DDs are either lacking buffs, are terribly undergeared on other aspects, using the wrong food or you're not telling the truth.

I've been spamming Delve the last few days farming NMs within fractures to figure out their gimmicks and if I made one observation, it was that the Delve weapons make a bloody huge difference.
3 unaugmented Delve weapons alone nearly halved the fight's duration on most of the NMs.

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Originally Posted by Shirai

I'm sorry, but I have a real hard time believing this.
Your DDs are either lacking buffs, are terribly undergeared on other aspects, using the wrong food or you're not telling the truth.

I've been spamming Delve the last few days farming NMs within fractures to figure out their gimmicks and if I made one observation, it was that the Delve weapons make a bloody huge difference.
3 unaugmented Delve weapons alone nearly halved the fight's duration on most of the NMs.

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2 SAMs, 3 DRKs, 1 MNK, and 2 other DDs who I honestly paid no attention to because I did not know them. All of them had Delve weapons for sure except maybe the 2 DDs, but I know the leader and I were shouting for Delve Weapon DDs only and the people I picked up all fit that description. As for the other parts, we did buffs, I cant say for sure about food and such but I was in charge of swapping in and out my COR and BRD for my party so I know that part was being done. I cant say that our people didn't simply suck, its possible, but the point was that if with these weapons we failed because of the time limit, the time seems to short. This is not my first attempt at this NM either, I have fought it 7 times now without a win, with different groups each time.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

I kept it Blinded, Gravity II'd, and Dia III'd the entire duration of the fight, we also had BRDs and CORs doing swaps the entire battle redoing buffs as needed. I was the RDM so I can personally vouch it was up at all times except for maybe at most 10 seconds between times it wore, but Blind itself was lasting roughly 5 minutes a cast so it was down at most about 30 seconds.

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I am sorry but you did BRD and COR roation and 2 houred and still couldnt down the peiste in 20 min? Your DDs must be either terrible or your backline support is shit. We have downed this in less then 20 min with no BRD COR rotation and without any delve weapon and without the usage of 2 hours(was only 2-3 days after delve was released).
We kill this one regularly on our delve farm run in morimar and now that our DDs have delve weapons it goes down in about 10 min without 2 hours or any form of brd/cor rotation.

The timelimit is reasonable and fine, your ally just had either terrible DDs or terrible healers that didnt remove plague/paralyze etc. or a combination of both.