[dev1139] Embrava and Prefect Defense - Just say 'NO'

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

You do because otherwise it rapes you.

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What? The only annoying part is if he's in magic mode but embrava and a couple mules more then handle that. Our setup isn't the same as yours. We bring our WHM abyssea mules.

We've been PDing at 70% since we started ADL early in the year. The only stun comes from a DRK while we put up PD. (that was our countermeasure to the sleepga issue)

All 3 kills yesterday we picked the wrong clone and won. The last one split into 4 at 5% and did Tera slashx4 and we won.

Edit: He also doesn't rape the first 40-50% his TP moves are easy to manager and he has 0 regain. One of our first ADLs he slept our entire alliance and we all stayed alive for multiple minutes.

slowga,silencega,breakga,sleepga, violent rupture (petrify) +damage, oblivion smash (silence,bind), aero/bliza/fira/thuda/stone-ga 3

Also pding at 70% is diffrent than PDing after split dude. It should be at 70% after each melee has done a WS which is 2 seconds after start. You also said you stun at 70%, facepalm as it forces him to split at 60% as explained above.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

slowga,silencega,breakga,sleepga, violent rupture (petrify) +damage, oblivion smash (silence,bind), aero/bliza/fira/thuda/stone-ga 3

Also pding at 70% is diffrent than PDing after split dude. It should be at 70% after each melee has done a WS which is 2 seconds after start. You also said you stun at 70%, facepalm as it forces him to split at 60% as explained above.

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We slow kill him. We don't go hard at all and try to limit TP feed. (he has no regain) 2 DDs max on him until the split. We prefer MNKs but have used just about every combo.

None of the magic or abilities pose any type of threat. Everyone uses Poison pots, mages ofcourse have echos. Slowga can be annoying since the rehaste comes from a dual boxed mule but slowga isn't a deal breaker by any means.

He does split above 50% a lot, which is never an issue with WARs popping 8-12k Reso.

You do everything wrong basically, except using mnks. You don't use PD at start but use embrava ! And what are you gaining ? Going slow on him makes the regain useless, stunning it early let it split 15% earlier than what it should. But more seriously why do you delay PD, are you having killing speed issues ? My 4 monks always have time to kill 2 clones (granted we are good) except on triple split which you don't control.

Also WAR+resolution is nonsense, I think I established it. Bandwagon. Where is your proof that you kill ADL w/o PD already ?

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

You do everything wrong basically, except using mnks. You don't use PD at start but use embrava ! And what are you gaining ? Going slow on him makes the regain useless, stunning it early let it split 15% earlier than what it should. But more seriously why do you delay PD, are you having killing speed issues ? My 4 monks always have time to kill 2 clones (granted we are good) except on triple split which you don't control.

Also WAR+resolution is nonsense, I think I established it. Bandwagon. Where is your proof that you kill ADL w/o PD already ?

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What? Doing it differently is not doing it wrong.

I don't question your strat because it works, just like ours works fine. We don't use a BRD we use Embrava.

Kill speed is not a problem, we just hedge the easy part in our favor. We do him with 3 DDs alot.

Our last fight last night we ended up fighting 4 different clones and he got a terror move off and we still killed. Doing PD at 70% gives us more time and as I've said the first 40-50% he's harmless.

And WAR+Reso absolutely destroys this mob. 20k damage in a matter of seconds is nothing to downplay.

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Originally Posted by Calatilla

And RDM would be in the exact same spot its in right now, solo or gtfo.

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and whats wrong with that?

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Originally Posted by zataz

and whats wrong with that?

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If you like your job to be useless except for soloing slower than 99% of all other jobs in the game then who am I to argue with you. But asking for changes that won't improve the job and get it back into endgame is just silly.

RDM's spell list is full of useful "self cast only" spells, but that's the problem, its self cast only, Temper would have been good if it could be cast on others. SE seems to think that RDM is an enhancer, but the only job it's enhancing is itself. I'm not gonna go out and say that RDM needs to be put back into the cycle mage era that was Lv75 but it does needs an enhancing spell that no other job has that can be cast on others. If not then stop calling it an enhancing job.

Also, enfeebles need to be tierd by skill so that no job that isnt RDM99 can enfeeble as well as a RDM99. They also need to get rid of some of those immunities.

But you're talking to a brick wall in regards to RDM anyway because SE have already proven they don't give a shit.

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Originally Posted by Calatilla

If you like your job to be useless except for soloing slower than 99% of all other jobs in the game then who am I to argue with you. But asking for changes that won't improve the job and get it back into endgame is just silly.

RDM's spell list is full of useful "self cast only" spells, but that's the problem, its self cast only, Temper would have been good if it could be cast on others. SE seems to think that RDM is an enhancer, but the only job it's enhancing is itself. I'm not gonna go out and say that RDM needs to be put back into the cycle mage era that was Lv75 but it does needs an enhancing spell that no other job has that can be cast on others. If not then stop calling it an enhancing job.

Also, enfeebles need to be tierd by skill so that no job that isnt RDM99 can enfeeble as well as a RDM99. They also need to get rid of some of those immunities.

But you're talking to a brick wall in regards to RDM anyway because SE have already proven they don't give a shit.

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I think the problem why SE isnt makeing Enfeeb magic stick so easy/be potent (the same can be said for add. effects of alot of WSs that dont stick to mobs higher then decent challenge) is because they are affraid that the game would become too easy. Back then when you could land practically any debuff you wanted on most HNMs, the fights became really really easy with debuffs on. Now dont get me wrong, I want enfeebs to work and actually stick. Its just that I think that SE themself feels it would make the game to easy. Haveing constantly half of your Arsenal of Spells castrated on important fights vs NMs is dumb, you might ask yourself why add those spells anyway, when you cant lend them on anything worthwile?

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Originally Posted by Dreamin

I wanted to try to keep this as simple as possible.

If you want to let the dev know that you do not like these changes, please hit LIKE on this OP. Let's keep this simple and leave all opinion and discussion in other threads (there are plenty on this topic already). This thread is not meant to be a place to voice alternatives, etc. Doing so will just become another end-less display of debate and back and forth and we will lose the main focus, which is that 'This is NOT what we want'.

If you like the changes, please refrain from commenting and just not hit the LIKE button and move on. If you want to debate the changes, please do so in another thread.

Let us show SE that we CAN show them a clear and concise message which is: "NO, the playerbase do not like this at all".

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Lol, pretty clear message here... then and up to page 13. XD

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Originally Posted by Damane

I think the problem why SE isnt makeing Enfeeb magic stick so easy/be potent (the same can be said for add. effects of alot of WSs that dont stick to mobs higher then decent challenge) is because they are affraid that the game would become too easy. Back then when you could land practically any debuff you wanted on most HNMs, the fights became really really easy with debuffs on. Now dont get me wrong, I want enfeebs to work and actually stick. Its just that I think that SE themself feels it would make the game to easy. Haveing constantly half of your Arsenal of Spells castrated on important fights vs NMs is dumb, you might ask yourself why add those spells anyway, when you cant lend them on anything worthwile?

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The problem right now is that if RDM99 can land an enfeeble on a mob then anything/rdm can, and if RDM99 can't land an enfeeble its because of immunities. Point being, why bring a RDM at all if your whm/rdm can enfeeble just as good?

Having the highest enfeebling skill should mean something. It needs to be addressed, just like the cure formula was.

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And WAR+Reso absolutely destroys this mob. 20k damage in a matter of seconds is nothing to downplay.

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Only if you MS, and that's once per run. We've been slightly altering our strategy as we found that we simply kill too fast after it splits. The typical strategy is to shock it right after split, then shock it again near 25%, yet we kill so fast that it's often at 10% or so when it comes out of squall. So instead after split we're telling our SMN's to wait a few more seconds then shock it so that it lasts throughout the <25% phase.

Got 10 marrows last Sunday but had two wipes due to implosion followed by quad split.

You would have done this strat months ago if you read my videos. You must keep the second SS for the second clone. It's optimal to stun at 30%.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

You would have done this strat months ago if you read my videos.

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One does not read videos, they watch them, and read posts. :P

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

You would have done this strat months ago if you read my videos. You must keep the second SS for the second clone. It's optimal to stun at 30%.

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Completely agree nothing is more important then Squalling the final 20%. After the split there is no such thing as killing too fast. You can live through implosion + 4 ADLs with some luck but you'll want to get to the point as fast as possible.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

One does not read videos, they watch them, and read posts. :P

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a video is a file.

I firmly believe that Embrava and Alexander SHOULD NOT BE NERFED.

This will only serve to make the player base furious and make even more of the remaining players quit

Think back to the Absolute Virtue change after people started zerging him with Krakens and Blood Weapon. It did not change anything people just stopped fighting him for however many years until the cap was increased because they couldn't win until he was zergable again. Not to mention by the time he was killable again most items he dropped were no longer anything overwhelmingly special.

If this update is pushed through it will just mean players who love SCH and SMN will be blacklisted from playing them to even more events than they already are now

I really enjoy the FFXI development team they have brought us many good years of content and a amazing game to play. I however, do not want them to ignore the player base about this matter.

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Originally Posted by Toren

Think back to the Absolute Virtue change after people started zerging him with Krakens and Blood Weapon. It did not change anything people just stopped fighting him for however many years until the cap was increased because they couldn't win until he was zergable again. Not to mention by the time he was killable again most items he dropped were no longer anything overwhelmingly special.

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The problem there was not the KC nerf but AV being irrationally tough. It's the same here. PD and Embrava should definitely be nerfed, but not before the content is adjusted accordingly.

All I see is: "Prefect."