HNM = Future, but only the true elites will get to fight them and win, take your perle PUG and go back to abyssea, ffxi belongs to the no lifers once again.
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07-07-2012, 12:52 PMNatenn
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07-07-2012, 12:53 PMDemon6324236Yes, again, you don't know if it will change my mind or not, you have told me no advantage that benefits the game by adding time spawns on the size you speak of. If its a waste of time, why don't you go do something else? Maybe this is why you want these spawns, because you like to waste time, I don't know, and you don't want to even try explaining any good reason for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Habu
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07-07-2012, 12:54 PMDemon6324236Because having no life is a good thing right?Quote:
Originally Posted by Natenn
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07-07-2012, 12:55 PMNatenn
And Habu is a hero. trying to bring this easy mode catered to weaklings game back to its former glory.
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07-07-2012, 01:00 PMPhoggYou need to present an argument to determine if it is circular.Quote:
Originally Posted by Habu
What is your argument in favor of timed NM spawns aside from "suckless"? -
07-07-2012, 01:08 PMDemon6324236Former glory of people getting lucky to claim a NM before everyone else, making everyone waste hours of their life, possibly getting something good from the NM, then being an ass and gloating about it to everyone else? Yes, very glorious, I cant see why anyone would dislike this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Natenn
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07-07-2012, 01:14 PMHabuhttp://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...future-of-FFXIQuote:
Originally Posted by Phogg
Read that. -
07-07-2012, 02:06 PMReiterpallaschDon't wanna camp HNM? Don't join a shell based around the camping of HNMs. Nobody is making you do content you don't want to. The only person wasting your time is yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
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07-07-2012, 02:07 PMPhoggI read it, and all I get from that is basically you are not interested in the game if it lacks some form of PvP. In your case, this is in the form of "claiming" a mob only available during a specific, infrequent moment in time, but only at a time slightly after it becomes theoretically visible to all end user clients and also "available" to be claimed via innumerable actual in game commands of varying degrees of delay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Habu
As such, 40 end users sit around in one small boring location in hopes of mashing their "button" in sync with this event, in doing so laying claim to the glory and adoration assumed for such an almost unimaginable level of conquest and bravery in the field of battle.
Never mind that their mule died mere seconds after the remainder of the LS achieved rightful claim!
Never mind that the dead but glorious and rightful owner to the claim lay dead and unattended.
Victory over the button was ours. It was OURS! We claimed the beast! So what if it died and dropped some stuff.
We CLAIMED it! {All right!!} Clearly we are the superior hardcore players casuals can only dream of wishing to be!
Meh, maybe I'm alone but that just seems lame to me. -
07-07-2012, 02:19 PMDemon6324236I didn't want to make an Emp, I had to to be accepted into partys otherwise I was gimp. I didn't want to focus on another job besides RDM, I had to because people reject RDMs. To play this game yes you have to have certain things and are forced into certain content like it or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch
Simple way to see HNMs in my eyes. You like to camp the NMs, if your reason is you like the feel of knowing you got the NM before everyone else, and they are now mad, you are an asshole, simple as that. You are happy because of others misery, thats being an asshole, and why I do not support the content, same thing as gloating, you want special gear for you cause your "better" or spent more time, no, this leads to gloating you have things people don't. If you did not want to gloat then there is little reason why diverse gear would matter to you, as such nothing you have presented for HNMs being good is morally correct or good, and should not happen. -
07-07-2012, 02:22 PMDemon6324236Me as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phogg
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07-07-2012, 03:09 PMsaevelIt is lame. It's the mark of someone with a social disorder or self esteem problem. Their deriving self esteem from the rarity of virtual property, namely in the ownership of some 1's and 0's inside SE's server center. Make those pieces of virtual property common to acquire and their self esteem generating value goes down. Not only must the virtual property be rare, it must be highly desirable in order to have a high self esteem generating value.Quote:
Meh, maybe I'm alone but that just seems lame to me.
Or you can just get the heck out of the game and go get a real life. Get laid a few times, get a GF (BF) or two. Attend some form of social events and make connections with actual people. Set goals and reach them, acquire actual real self esteem. Then look back and realize how utterly stupid it is to use virtual property as a source of self esteem. -
07-07-2012, 03:18 PMZerichproof of trollQuote:
Originally Posted by Natenn
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07-07-2012, 03:20 PMHabuAnd everyone says I'm the one throwing insults at people.Quote:
Originally Posted by saevel
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07-07-2012, 03:37 PMReiterpallaschWhat stopped you from making your own parties? Surely people didn't check you as you shouted and went "omg no emp? gimp!". So no, you didn't need to make one. But as easy as they are to make, there's no reason not to, either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
I'm an asshole? Nowhere did I say I'm happy because of the misery of others, nor am I gloating. I actually said that good gear shouldn't be hard to get. I said the best gear should be hard to get and that not everybody should have it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
The fact that you're so offended by the idea that people like yourself might *gasp* not just be handed the absolute best gear for minimal effort just shows that you, sir, are the asshole.
Edit: I don't want better gear than you for the fucking funsies of having better gear. I want better gear as a reward for the dedication of putting the time and effort into obtaining said gear without having my accomplishment shit on by someone that wants to get the same thing for 1/10th the effort. -
07-07-2012, 04:27 PMRosina
this is why i dislike timed pop nms...
so just a few hours ago me me friend and a random camper joined up to kill valkrum emperor. we hunt the thing for 2-3+ hours. We are pretty much falling asleep being bored to tears.... the thing finally pops around 2am est. And.... no drop. Pretty much wasted 3 hours hunting for a mob that "may" drop a decenjt peice of head gear so i can save gil on not needing to keep updating my head gear for a while.
I almost feel asleep and died a few times from aggro cuz we hunted it while getting my support job item... which ironically didn't drop till after 24 mobs. We got so bored we started talking about random bs.. from how much we hate timed pops to ffxiv.
for those who don't seem to get the dislike of timed pop nm. People WANT to do they content they help pay for. And its stupid that time issues prevent it. Like I said i play 12-20 hours a day, and still can't always be up for a hnm window. Thats a bad design. -
07-07-2012, 04:34 PMDemon6324236My 2nd part was basicly to anyone with the same idealism as this fellow hereQuote:
Originally Posted by Reiterpallasch
As for being handed gear you don't understand. You for some reason do not understand the stupidity that is the idea of a monster in a virtual world that if you wish to fight you will likely need to base your life around. Some people have jobs, need to sleep, have family and friends outside, the game should not punish people who have their priorities in check and know life>game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Natenn
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07-07-2012, 04:34 PMZerichthese are either really bad trolls, or very sad individuals who enjoy being played by the game. simple.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosina
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07-07-2012, 04:52 PMRosinaI hope ur not talking about me. I wasn't making it seem i was complaining about the drop rate of empress hairpin. Was more stated how bored i was trying to actually do the fight to try and get the gear. VE is a fun fight at low level. Same for LL at lower level. And the drops can hold you for several levels which saves you some good gil if your returnging or starting fresh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerich
I'm more saying 3 hours of bordem, 2 minutes of fun is a bad design. Drop or not. Cuz as i stated before
I do not do content for drops, I do content to do content. getting a drop is bonus to me. This is because at the end of the day, the memory of a fun fight is longer lasting after log off then a vitural Item that has no meaning after log off. -
07-07-2012, 04:55 PMZerichoh god no, i wasn't talking about you ; - ;Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosina
sorry it looked like that.
it was on a statement of people who find programming their sleep schedule over a game, being 'fun'. -
07-07-2012, 05:21 PMRosinaya its ok i'm so baked from my 3hr nm hunt .... (not high on weed just tired and frustrated it took so long to fking pop) this feeling is why i hate hunting nm. I hate feeling tired and frustrated from playing a video game. I like feeling good like "omg i fight that weeeee" not "omg WGEN WILL THE MOFO POP ITS BEEN 5 HOURS"Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerich
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07-07-2012, 05:25 PMShadowsongWhy must ALL content be availible to ALL people? So you are saying, to the people who CAN be on the game 4+ hours a day, that they can never excell over the people that play 2 hours a week?Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236;
Make content for everyone. Casual? go work on some af3 in abyss. Hardecore? Legion and Providence and neo-stuff.
Just because you cant play enough to get to these stages, no one can? -
07-07-2012, 05:27 PMShadowsongSorry double post, cant edit on my phone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosina
May I ask why you play this game if it makes you tired and frustrated? You dont seem like you have much fun. -
07-07-2012, 05:37 PMZerichDon't you have something better to do, like camping Roc?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowsong
Btw, what's 'Hardecore', did you mean to say 'Hordecore'? This isn't WoW.
Also, how is casual (see: being alive) a bad thing? People who have found the balance between being a gamer and having healthy relationships outside of a game are to be shunned? And you think Prov. is hXc...are you sure you know what you're talking about? -
07-07-2012, 05:42 PMShadowsongSigh, READING COMPREHENSION, WHAT IS IT?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zerich
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07-07-2012, 05:48 PMZerichWhat is a google?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowsong
I misread what you suggested and immediately took the attack. But yeah, I do feel as though someone with more average time to sink into the game should have the potential for accomplishing more than someone with 2 hours of limited play, per night. I just don't believe that this should entirely bar people with less time, just take longer. -
07-07-2012, 05:50 PMDemon6324236In a way yes, if you have a life and you want to enjoy this game, you can not do both with how people arguing HNMs would seem to want it. As I said, you need things before people will let you do events with them, for instance, VW. VW normally you are turned down if you have no Emp/Relic & +2 or at least a WS & TP set. Myself I can do this, I play this game often, however people who do not get to do what? If you play 2 hours a week what can you do if you want to enjoy these events?Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowsong
You can not say to make your own party, you have never done the content you will probably do it wrong, people will learn your name and avoid your partys. You cant make an Emp/Relic because you don't have the time. This limits players to much, and as I said, its punishing people who have their priorities straight. If you are changing when you sleep to depend on when a NM is going to be up on this game, you need to reevaluate yourself on what you are doing in your life.
Now, if you are determined to do something of grand scale that is a different story, the challenge of a relic can be done by someone with little time, my friend and co-leader to my ls is on only 3~4 hours a day due to real life things. He has been working on a Relic Great Axe, and is making progress when possible. In the same time he takes to finish this, someone who plays FFXI all day in and out could probably do 5 or 6 relics if not more, the point is, he can do the same thing as them, and has a mostly fair chance. HNMs on the scale that is being spoken of are 21~24 hour spawns, meaning in a persons 3~4 hour day, they would have a small chance if from the moment they got on till they got off, they could see the NM, let alone claim, and fight it.
I would rather the dev team focus on content 90% of us will experience and possibly enjoy, rather than content 10% of us claim we do/would enjoy, and 1~3% would actually get to experience. -
07-07-2012, 09:19 PMsaevelThis is why the abyssea method of gear acquisition was so awesome. If you were someone with tons of time you could knock out sets really fast, maybe a little too fast though. If you were someone with a very limited schedule you could still knock out your sets. It would take you much longer and you'd be doing it slowly, but you'd get it done eventually. Same with emp weapons.Quote:
In a way yes, if you have a life and you want to enjoy this game, you can not do both with how people arguing HNMs would seem to want it. As I said, you need things before people will let you do events with them, for instance, VW. VW normally you are turned down if you have no Emp/Relic & +2 or at least a WS & TP set. Myself I can do this, I play this game often, however people who do not get to do what? If you play 2 hours a week what can you do if you want to enjoy these events?
In either case both groups could acquire the same gear, one took longer then the other but both had the same level of access. The game didn't' artificially penalize the person with limited time. Aka there was no electric floor in this idealized version of a skinner's box. -
07-07-2012, 09:25 PMHabuI'm getting really tired of your "people with a life" crap. Because people who are good at this game and devote a decent amount of time to it don't have lives right? I've tried to remain somewhat light on the insults but it's obvious to everyone that you are a complete moron. So you can only do VW if you have an emp/relic, because the person can't go on a mage job? The person can't look at info before hand to learn how to setup a group for ANYTHING in the game? There is a plethora of strategies for every VW and even PW now. You say emps are hard and you can only make them if you devote a lot of time to the game? No. Farm a little when you can and it will get done, if you're that worried about being able to do an even then you'll be willing to farm a little whenever you can to be useful in said events.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
Really? 3-4 hours a day is enough to farm Dynamis daily and still have sometime to do a random VW or w/e.Quote:
Now, if you are determined to do something of grand scale that is a different story, the challenge of a relic can be done by someone with little time, my friend and co-leader to my ls is on only 3~4 hours a day due to real life things. He has been working on a Relic Great Axe, and is making progress when possible. In the same time he takes to finish this, someone who plays FFXI all day in and out could probably do 5 or 6 relics if not more, the point is, he can do the same thing as them, and has a mostly fair chance. HNMs on the scale that is being spoken of are 21~24 hour spawns, meaning in a persons 3~4 hour day, they would have a small chance if from the moment they got on till they got off, they could see the NM, let alone claim, and fight it.
Whose to say they can't make content for both? You're worried that the gear might be better? Oh well, some people are just meant to be better.Quote:
I would rather the dev team focus on content 90% of us will experience and possibly enjoy, rather than content 10% of us claim we do/would enjoy, and 1~3% would actually get to experience.
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07-07-2012, 09:39 PMMeyi
No, it's true. There's only so many hours in a day, and if you're devoting many of them to a video game... then obviously there must be less activities going on in your life. Jobs usually take about 6~10 hours, sleep SHOULD take about 8 hours, and that's 18 out of the 24 hours right there. We should also include college, using the restroom, showering, making meals and eating them, exercise, and possibly raising a family/spending time with friends.
I don't want to waste 4 hours waiting for a monster to pop. Even if I get the claim. Even if I get the claim and the item I want drops. It's just a waste of time. I get antsy waiting for people to pop Abyssea monsters sometimes and usually resort to doing something else around me to keep myself occupied (like drawing or doing some push ups). Shouldn't have to do other activities while playing a game, because a game is meant to be fun and entertaining.
FFXI has never been a fast paced game... and it probably never will be. There will always be down time for many players who find their minds lulled with boredom as their group mates get their stuff prepared. But at the very least, I'd rather a gathering take 30 minutes than wait 4 hours to finally get a chance at action. -
07-07-2012, 09:47 PMHabu
Yes a person who like you say is working, sleeps normal, goes to college, uses the restroom?, showers?, eats food?, exercises, and raises a family has no time for FFXI. I do six of those things and still have ample time to play the game as much as I want and can still have the freedom to walk outside whenever I please.
Again no one is making anyone do any event. If the game gets to busy for you, put the game down, or play when you can and make the most of it. -
07-07-2012, 09:53 PMzataz
u know as i said i like timed spawns personally but why not do like they did e bow or bounding boots nm drops a rare ex one and a bcnm type thing drop a non rare ex one?
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07-07-2012, 10:59 PMRosina
Yes please leave the "have a life" argument out of this. It is a pointless rude statement that in reality has no basis. Everyone lives their life differently. So there is no cookie cutter "life". If you choose to work have a family do other things, that is your choice. We all have many likes and dislikes. I choose to play a video game most, as there is nothing in my town that is interesting to me, I choose to play a video game because watching TV is mindless, I choose to play ffxi because i get a better mental stimulation due to meeting people from all over the world. Rather then talk to the people where I love who are (no offence to anyone where i live) are white ghetto trash who smoke pot, drink beer, and claim to be living in "da hood". My town is impoverish, jobs are scarce and nothing here last long. So its either i do drugs for entertainment, or play a video game.
Having a life should be about things you enjoy doing... cuz not all of us wanna get married and have kids. -
07-07-2012, 11:01 PMRosinathey did that because of RMT was spam camping those nm so they made the NM drop a r/ex one and put the main one in the bcnm to try and prevent rmt from making gil.Quote:
Originally Posted by zataz
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07-07-2012, 11:04 PMRosinaWhat you fail to get is people WANT to do said content...Quote:
Originally Posted by Habu
And i play for 20 hours 7 days a week... and still can't be on for pop windowns... that should say something.. -
07-07-2012, 11:14 PMCamiieBecause we all pay the same. Making content accessible to all who wish to try it is still no guarantee of winning or of getting the drops one wants.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shadowsong
But they do. They get things done faster.Quote:
So you are saying, to the people who CAN be on the game 4+ hours a day, that they can never excel over the people that play 2 hours a week?
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Make content for everyone. Casual? go work on some af3 in abyss. Hardecore? Legion and Providence and neo-stuff.
LOL So, one event for the vast majority of players versus 4 events (since hardcores can do Abyssea too) for a small minority? You don't see the problem with this? I guess I can't blame you though. SE doesn't see the problem with it either.
Just because I have other activities or obligations I shouldn't have a way to progress?Quote:
Just because you cant play enough to get to these stages, no one can?
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07-07-2012, 11:31 PMHabuAre you suggesting that people want to do HNM? If you are then I'm on your side in this argument lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rosina
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07-07-2012, 11:40 PMRosinaEveryone wants to do every bit of content. BUT can't due to time issues. That is bad design. I want black belt, i've wanted black belt for over 5 years. I couldn't even get it because i was never awake during a pop window. Though i got lucky and a friend tried to help me and let me lot on the items and nearly for 1 of the three quest items. but due to family, i got disconnected before i could lot. That was the one of 2 times i actually saw the hnm turtle. I only seen behemoth once. and again I only play 20 hours a day.... so when a 20 hour 7 day a week person miss out on hnm due to time. That is pretty bad as i got more then enough time to try. Just pop windows was always when i actually did sleep.Quote:
Originally Posted by Habu
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07-07-2012, 11:43 PMHabu
If you actually played 20 hours a day it is mathematically impossible for you to only have seen one behemoth.
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07-07-2012, 11:57 PMDemon6324236Would you sit at your PC watching the screen for 20 hours in the same area doing almost nothing in the game?Quote:
Originally Posted by Habu