drk need ad-least a longer duration on blood weapon, every drk dreads a miss while bloodweapon is on, if your lucky you can get 4 solid swings in before it wears off... is that enough to constitute a 2hr ability??
Blood Weapon is not a 2hr Camate, please help!
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11-09-2011, 04:58 PMCljader1
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11-09-2011, 05:28 PMCljader1
SE said they will be giving the jobs new 2 hrs, what if drk was able to cast "Nightmare" which is a very potent bad breath spell which none of the status effects can be resisted for a 2hr ability. Under the 2hr duration the dark knight has access to the spell "Nightmare" for 30 seconds. That's something that could fit drk, hopefully camate can shed a little light on what they are planning for this job's future.
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11-09-2011, 11:05 PMSNKIf you're going to sit there sir and spout that your math is correct when a few people have explained to you it's wrong then by all means you're going to get called out on it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cljader1
Not knocking on your "profession" but if you're going to throw out the "Real Life" card then you should expect to have every angle of that card called. -
11-10-2011, 03:27 AMCljader1Sorry sir but his math is wrong, I already explained it...and If you knew how to read, he attacked me first calling me a 16 year old that haven't taking a math class, so I rebutted him...if you don't like how I rebutted him that sounds like a you problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNK
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11-10-2011, 03:57 AMArconThis is a showcase example of the Dunning-Kruger effect in action.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cljader1
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11-10-2011, 04:40 AMDirtyfinger
My IQ dropped after reading some of this thread, but then I remembered it was the DRK sub forum.
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11-10-2011, 09:53 AMYinnythHis math is solid. Souleater can be expressed as a damage multiplier on a swing-by-swing basis through some basic algebra hocus-pocus. Granted, the multiplier varies based on the base damage of the swing, the amount of HP the DRK has, and any souleater bonuses/penalties, but this does not change the fact that the math he has presented is correct. Also, to pull a direct quote, he did not call you 16. He said:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cljader1
He asked your age and then proceeded to explain why he was asking. His reason for asking being he simply can't comprehend why you don't comprehend the concept he's been attempting to explain, and age would be an immediate indication as to why. And for good reason, no less. It simply can't be said enough times, he was correct when he said:Quote:
How old are you? If you're <=16, I'd understand if you just plain haven't taken many math courses and I'll leave you be. Suffice to say, I'm not sure if I can explain it any more simply =/.
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Y = A+B can be rewritten as Y = A*C when C = (A+B)/A
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11-10-2011, 11:59 AMCljader1But where is the variable that account for gear used to boost soul eater from 10% to 12%, its missing. For people to understand what he is talking about in his formula he needed to add a variable telling everyone that he was boosted souleater damage from 10% to 12% through the usage of gearQuote:
Originally Posted by Yinnyth
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11-10-2011, 01:20 PMSpiritreaverYou are just being deliberately ignorant now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cljader1
ANY DRK worth his/her salt knows that base Souleater is 10% and that it becomes 12% with AF/AF+1 head. He shouldn't have to even bother saying that because its a given that EVERYONE at least has the AF head and uses it when they pop Souleater.
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11-10-2011, 03:26 PMCiecle
Maybe... Cljader1 didn't catch my quote... and it's from FFXIclopedia too :<...
But just in case, I have to quote it again just to make sure the logic goes through... cause Spiritreaver is right...
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Originally Posted by Ciecle
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11-10-2011, 04:12 PMSNKQuoted for emphasis. Is this sinking into you yet professor?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ciecle
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11-11-2011, 04:48 AMCljader1Some of you guys are idiots, no gear mention was in his formula so that makes it is bogus, bottom line....and you clowns have hijacked the thread long enough talk about drk blood weapon or just gtfo, last time ill address you clowns and your details if some of you clowns cant form a basic formula right no wonder your trapped in the box of a video game lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by SNK
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11-11-2011, 05:43 AMMoink
You're right, Cljader1, it wasn't initially mentioned that the additional 2% wasn't explained in the math formula. It has, however, been implemented and explained in detail enough that if you haven't grasped that understanding then maybe you should go back to basic algebra... Then again I have a feeling you're just being a troll coming up with poor excuses to not understand such simple math.
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11-11-2011, 07:11 AMYinnyth[sarcasm]He also didn't mention whether or not drk was a main job or a support job when providing formulas for how souleater damage works. If SE is used while drk is your SJ, it's only 5% of your HP added to the damage(though 10% is still taken from you). He also didn't factor any souleater resists... you know, in case it's souleater against AV. Since none of that was mentioned, clearly his math is bogus.[/sarcasm]Quote:
Originally Posted by Cljader1
If someone arrives at a correct answer, yet does not show their work, this does not mean their answer is instantly invalidated. Particularly if they later go back and correct the issue you had/have grievances with and actually show where they got the questionable values from. Yes, that's right, he actually went back and told you where he got the 12% from, but for some reason, the fact that gear wasn't mentioned in his first post means that his statement is completely false? Let's re-examine it:
Aside from the typo where he added a "d", I see no faults in his equation assuming that DRK is your main job and is wearing a piece of gear which enhances souleater. Incomplete? Well, yeah, unless he gets the full formula from the servers, his equation will never factor all possibilities into it. However, the assumption of DRK main and souleater enhancing gear was perfectly clear to everyone reading his post except for you. Then instead of admitting your brief moment of ignorance, you've doubled down by saying his failure to mention the gear invalidates every point he has raised. Then after him mentioning the gear which enhances souleater to 12% of HP, he's too late and the damage is already done; his formula is permanently bogus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greatguardian
Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you're stupid. Hell, you're probably a relatively intelligent person, but even the smartest people make mistakes. However, it's important to admit the mistake so we don't go around promoting ignorance. If the person who is in the wrong refuses to admit it, it is up to the community to make sure the fallacy is properly dismissed before someone else gets the wrong idea. -
11-11-2011, 09:31 AMDart
posting in a mildly entertaining thread
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11-12-2011, 12:32 AMNynja
Why would you use souleater not in conjunction with any of the bonus pieces?
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11-12-2011, 05:14 AMDart
no clue, i use the leg slot enhances SE gear in my SC. Not like its hard to do. (And i Suck at writing SC)
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11-13-2011, 04:18 AMSpiritreaverTranslated for clarity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cljader1
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11-13-2011, 07:58 PMUrteil
I wasn't aware there were people who had no idea how souleater works.
There's like two pieces in the game that affect it, pretty easy stuff. -
11-14-2011, 02:48 AMDart
3 that I know of, a body, leg, and head piece
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11-14-2011, 05:08 AMRezeak
While i can agree Blood weapon could fit a 10-20 min ja now.
Tho imo i feel again the way DRKs say "ooo blood weapon is the worst 2hr in the game ect" just says /emo or i don't know how to use Blood weapon.
Blood weapon is still a really good 2hr infact it's prolly the second strongest in the game still (w/ capped haste)
(strongest in some cases)
And Hundred fist is the most useless 2hr in the game (w/ capped haste)
The issue w/ blood weapon is the duration and need for so many other buffs meaning it's hard to use.
The fix imo would be make Blood weapon have a 30% magic haste component so that DRK can alway be in capped haste w/ it.
Making the duration 60 secs w/ this would go along way.
Also worth mentioning as long as your swinging your pretty much invincible w/ 80% haste BW SE
Summary
Blood weapon should be a 10 min ja
or a 2hr w/ 60 sec duration and 30% magic haste component.