Eleven Fajin boots!

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

You are all spoiled.

Back in my days we had to earn our armors. And obviously if you aren't getting VW drops, you didn't earn them. Put more effort into your prayers to the gods and do something about it on your own!

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playerA: shout and gather people everyday for VW, lead the run, is unlucky with his coffer.
playerB: answer once to playerA shout, get body in his coffer.

now can you tell me who put more effort to earn his armor ? the one who got it, or the other one?

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Originally Posted by Xellith

*stands around DA for 3 hours*
*doesnt claim fafnir*
"damn guess I didnt earn it"

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Biggest problem with this game is the randomness of equipment.

Some people go 1/1 E Abj: body, then go 1/1 on HQ synth, then go 1/1 on +3DA +6STP

The next guy could go 1/12 E Abj: body, then go 1/50 on HQ synth, then go 1/320 on +3DA +6STP

One guy laid down, at most (if payed for ABJ), 25ish mil. The other payed (without buying ABJ or pop items) around half a relic.

Confirmation Bias

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Originally Posted by Asymptotic

Confirmation Bias

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Peking duck

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Originally Posted by Arcon

Peking duck

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List of Futurama episodes

This 'White' Stagger that is going to be implemented in VoidWatch will be rather interesting. They can implement a 100% drop rate and list the top 5 notable items inside the chest if a group successfully staggered 'White' on the NM. The idea of capping lights on one blow is something to look forward to...but perhaps they can go a bit further with this idea.

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Super-low drop rate and normal treasure pool distribution
relatively high drop rate (by comparison at least) and item goes to random people.

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The real kicker is that Square decided to do both, the drops are silly rare and the loot system retarded. Double whammy!

The thing is though, as someone above said..we are all doing VW and it's keeping us busy cheaply, so working as intended. You complain about it but you are still doing it and due to having stuff to do still paying a sub.

Strategic bump.

Here's an update!

Since I posted this, I have indeed gotten my Three Faijin Boots, Of the three I could only use one, so Two Wasted. And coincidentally those two extra pairs could have gone to the two people in our linkshell that have been to every fight, and yet to see a pair.

You see, Square Enix Incorperated, there's a fallacy in your previously stated logic of "Adding more items to the game by letting everyone have their own chest" [paraphrased].

Because when you have someone like me, who got Three Meikira Keikogai in a row; that's not three that went into use, it's Two Wasted.

So in reality, your new system is not actually helping and is actually just a complete annoyance. In fact it's breeding ill will and confusion on multiple fronts:

People trying to make sense of this idiocy are trying to see patterns that don't exist.
People are getting mad they don't get rewarded.
People getting mad because new people ARE getting rewarded.
People are getting mad because they can't share their good fortune.
People are getting mad at people for getting good fortune.
People can't enjoy their rewards because their friends still get nothing.
People are mad because they're trapped doing these events for the people that can't seem to get a break!

Speaking of anger... I wasn't too annoyed about the trash that comes with the low drop rate on desired gear, but recently it's become the salt on the wound. Just because of the sheer scale of the problem.

Exhibit A:
http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b...49-500-400.jpg
"Log" from the TV Cartoon Ren & Stimpy, Spümcø.

You see that is a generational icon. It was a satire on the absurdity of the concept of receiving a log as a toy. It's a play on the "Pet Rock" phenomenon, and every generation has one.

The problem with receiving a log is that it doesn't come off as a reward. It's an insult, almost satirical, or even sarcastic. That role should not be shared from a game to the players. When you have a reward based experience, like a game, usually the rewards match certain criteria. Receiving "gag" rewards like a log is what you get if you fail. It's the donkey behind 'Door Number 3'. In short, it is usually reserved as a punishment for poor performance.

TO expand... Typically:

1) The Harder something is to do, the Greater the Reward received. (This has always been FFXI's weakest point.)

In the case of Voidwatch specifically:

2) When a device is introduced to Enhance chances of reward, it is generally assumed to function as so.

The 'Spectral Alignment' should noticeably affect the frequency and quality of items received. Since math, logic and perception don't seem to be your company's strong-point anymore, I'll spell it out for you:

0% Blue x 0% Red = Jack Shit
0% Blue x 100% Red = Jack Shit
100% Blue x 0% Red = Log

100% Blue x 100% Red = 1 Item of Good Quality.
100% Blue x 250% Red = 1 Item of High Quality.
100% Blue x 500% Red = 1 Item of Ridiculous Quality.

500% Blue x 100% Red = 5 Items of Good Quality.

500% Blue x 500% Red = 5 Items of Ridiculous Quality.

Now a Log is not "Ridiculous Quality". Neither is an Insect Wing, Beetle Shell, Mythril Ore, etc... But you still see them even if you reach 525% Red(quality).

"Ridiculous" would be 'Currently Desired Crafting Items' on the low end, things like: Flame Gems, Durium Ingots, Phrygian Ingots, etc. On the mid-level of "Ridiculous" you have High Level Scrolls, Riftsand, Silver Mirrors, and stuff like that. Into the upper levels you can get the gear.

As the system currently stands, it appears that Red Light has no bearing on the reward at all. This might be a bug, but we've had people that do not trade cells at all receive gear and items of the same quality as someone that did, in most cases the same amount as well.

So either your definition of Frequency is off, or your definition of Quality is.

If you think Logs and Dirt are exceptionally valuable, maybe we could work out a deal where I pay for my account with them. I could send you an Envelope of Dirt, and some Insect Wings, and we could call it even. I could "Reward" YOUR hard work with the same crap YOU value. How does that sound?

I wonder what the other side of the Planar Rift looks like....

I picture a dozen really pissed off Galkan Lumberjacks and Miners shoving Logs, Ore, and Wild Beasts into a hole trying to plug it up...

I agree with you wholeheartedly.

Also, 11/10 for absolutely brilliantly worded posts. So true, and so funny.

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Originally Posted by Frost

I wonder what the other side of the Planar Rift looks like....

I picture a dozen really pissed off Galkan Lumberjacks and Miners shoving Logs, Ore, and Wild Beasts into a hole trying to plug it up...

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This made me laugh... probably a bit more then it should have <.<;

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Originally Posted by Frost

If you think Logs and Dirt are exceptionally valuable, maybe we could work out a deal where I pay for my account with them. I could send you an Envelope of Dirt, and some Insect Wings, and we could call it even. I could "Reward" YOUR hard work with the same crap YOU value. How does that sound?

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This is one of the more awesome ideas I've seen on these forums. I strongly support it and suggest that it crosses the devs eyes at all costs to get the point across. There's plenty of wood around here so I could pay for FFXI, forever.

They could spam me with quality content to proc my weakness so I drop better rewards for their time. Eventually they might hit the mark and I'll mistakenly send a silver dollar instead of a log. Work for those rewards, big boys. Since you're such fans of it and all. btw I can drop a gold coin too but it's a .9% drop rate so good luck.
































Suckers.

So much mad....

Gonna go to the Home Depot right now and mail SE some plywood sheets.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Twelve heavy metals
Eleven faijin boots
ten Mollusca mantles
nine Omphalos bullets
eight Ace's Mails
seven Castellean's shields
six Wiglen gorgets
fiiiive tyyyrant's riiiiiiiings
four Magma gauntlets
three Bizen-osafunes
Two turtle doves
and a Faz-heluo ra-di-ant maaaail

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Beat me to it, then again this was months ago I only noticed the thread when it hit main page again. Came expecting one of these songs, even if it had ironic context. Glad someone did it thank you, Alhanelem

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Originally Posted by Malamasala

Put more effort into your prayers to the gods

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Obviously people doing Voidwatch and not getting gear don't have four-leaf mandragora buds and aren't getting the killshot at exactly 100% full moon while wearing a Spelunker's Hat.

Ive lost count with how many times ive done Qilin now, everyone in my ls has got them multiple times and I still not got them once so stupid >.>.

Join pugs for this all the time and no boots lol

I'm going chime in again on this. I've actually been feeling a bit luckier since giving us 50% more Red alignment. I've been trying to get a Fazheluo Radiant Mail for a while now, even as just a trophy piece. Yet only thing I seem to be able to get out of Voidwrought are Strendu Rings even with the 50% more alignment. The pickups I've joined have ended up being increasingly frustrating, where I get to see notorious gear whores put little effort and go 1/1 on a piece I actually want, an then knowing that I have to be stuck waiting to one day maybe get a body piece I want. In my LS events I've seen that body go to people who don't even have jobs that can wear the body, and while I applaud their luck, I can't help but feel demoralized when fight after fight I'm going to repeatedly get logs and sometimes a MAB ring that I have to let drop to the floor.

I've been doing VW since it was first implemented and what do I have to show for it? AH drops, 1 Marginally good MAB ring and a frustration towards the luck of my fellow LS mates that I would rather be happy for than spiteful. Way to go. Add to lottable spoils {Can I have it?}

Still never seen a pair on anyone ever or ever heard of a single person saying they got them. What do they do? >.>

+18% movement speed for rng/thf, you could have looked it up easily however.

The sad part is that Fajin Boots aren't even the rare drop from qilin.

I never seen either dagger and I've been through at least 75 Kirins.

Drop are based on what job you go as. Go as something different if you're not getting what you want. Coruscanti's went to blm and rdm in my ls.

And if you get one and can't use it so what? It takes a day to get from 1 to 99?

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Originally Posted by macross

Drop are based on what job you go as. Go as something different if you're not getting what you want. Coruscanti's went to blm and rdm in my ls.

And if you get one and can't use it so what? It takes a day to get from 1 to 99?

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You're implying some of these drops are worth getting 99 over and that said people who get drops have interest in the class.

Not to mention how demoralizing it is when the LS tank gets the HQ drop 3x in a row while you eat logs and ore.

Drops are based on IP address no one can tell me different.

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Originally Posted by macross

Drop are based on what job you go as. Go as something different if you're not getting what you want. Coruscanti's went to blm and rdm in my ls.

And if you get one and can't use it so what? It takes a day to get from 1 to 99?

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I'm not leveling a job I hate just to equip a rare drop I can't use. For someone who can't use it to get coruscanti or the like, it's mannequin dress up gear. The only thing worse is getting the same r/ex multiple times in a box, but at least those don't take up any more inv space.

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Originally Posted by macross

Drop are based on what job you go as. Go as something different if you're not getting what you want.

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Not sure if serious.

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Originally Posted by Frost

We did Voidwatch today and [size=5]Eleven Fajin Boots[/size] dropped!!

Yay!

Thank you Square Enix Incorporated!

The [size=5]Three People[/size] that got them today were really happy!

But you know what would have been really cool:

If the [size=5]Eight Wasted[/size] other boots didn't keep going to the same people!

Can you PLEASE, Pretty please, with a Cherry on top, PLEASE do something to make this a tiny bit less ENRAGING???

Anything???
PLEASE???

Please.


Hmm... Seems like I'm not the only one...

http://i205.photobucket.com/albums/b.../Red-Arrow.gif

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OH OK! we'll make it so if a person already has the drop, it wont load in their treasure pool!

enjoy ^.^

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Originally Posted by Benihana

OH OK! we'll make it so if a person already has the drop, it wont load in their treasure pool!

enjoy ^.^

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I'm absolutely ok with that.
It's the main problem here for the most part, seeing the same people get stuff, and watching it go to waste, is exceptionally demoralizing.

It just fucking hurts when you go to help someone that's 0/100+ on an item, and you don't put in any cells, happen to have a stone on you, and get an item you can't use, that they wanted.

It's frigging demoralizing see a piece of gear in your box you already have, and to have to throw a piece of gear on the ground when there's someone right in front of you that can use it, and worse, that wants it.

Yeah. I'd rather not see it at all.

I'll take a system that isn't similar to something that often floats in a toilet bowl.

For any Dev team members that actually bother to read what we write:

After doing hundreds of T3s(Zilart)/T4+(Cities/Jeuno) and getting 0 bodies, I would like to mention that my play time is taking a direct hit. I've missed multiple VW runs and decided to spend the time away from FF because I'm absolutely furious/tired/angry/aggravated/irate/fed up/<<insert synonym here>> with the drop rates in VW. I'm not even going to bother going into any other of the horribly frustrating decisions the Dev team has made.

But if something doesn't happen soon, you're going to lose another FFXI subscriber.

Assuming each VE kill takes ~15 min (which is a HUGE understatement considering it takes forever waiting for 18 people to gather in one space (why? who knows, but it does)), I've spent over 750 hours (>31 and 1/4 days) participating in a frustrating event with virtually zero rewards.

Fix your mistakes.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

I never seen either dagger and I've been through at least 75 Kirins.

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I've seen a couple of Luxs (none mine ;_; ), but the only coruscanti I know of went to a guy who can't even equip it.

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Biggest problem with this game is the randomness of equipment.

Some people go 1/1 E Abj: body, then go 1/1 on HQ synth, then go 1/1 on +3DA +6STP

The next guy could go 1/12 E Abj: body, then go 1/50 on HQ synth, then go 1/320 on +3DA +6STP

One guy laid down, at most (if payed for ABJ), 25ish mil. The other payed (without buying ABJ or pop items) around half a relic.

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This is what i hate about FFXI endgame (not counting abyssea), they are far too in love with randomness that it means that endgame isn't about working hard for drops or being a good player. It's just about being lucky, you having the best item in the game that took you 4 months of hard work is no more impressive than the person that joined a shout and went afk the entire fight going 1/1 on the drop.

That's not a good foundation to build new 99 endgame on, and the really horrible part is we all know the rest of the endgame stuff they add is going to be just as retarded.

It's really sad that no matter how good you are at these fights, no matter how many shouts you organise there is still the very real possibility that with randomness and drop rates as low as these are that many people that are trying to get these will NEVER get them.

If you actually think about it that way, that there is the very real possibility you will never get that item your trying for from the VWNM because of this drop system, no matter how good you are at the fight, no matter how many times you try and someone else that doesn't care about it and maybe won't even use it will then maybe you will see the reality of it and why it really does need to be changed. Assuming some people don't understand the rage about it right now anyway.

Bumping this since Camate requested Feedback on the voidwatch system. Hoping one of the reps actually reads any one of these threads all saying the same thing:

The Voidwatch Reward system borders on punishment for the participants.

I got 3 Lux, 4 necks, 1 boots, and 3 Hvy. Plate Pouch so far from about 20 Qilins. also went 1/5 on Toci's Harness from Pil. think the most annoying thing is not being able to give these items to others.

I get it you wont let us add things to Treasure pool. but the drop far to random. Thier is only one person in the game making a Killing off VWNMS and loves the Drop rate, And His name is Gekko in Port Jeuno.

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Originally Posted by Tile

Thier is only one person in the game making a Killing off VWNMS and loves the Drop rate, And His name is Gekko in Port Jeuno.

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Or that little mithra girl in Ru'lude Gardens, who works for M&P's Market. :D

Gekko should wear random VW bodies and glow weapons for ultimate trolls. They could change every conquest.

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Originally Posted by Insaniac

Gekko should wear random VW bodies and glow weapons for ultimate trolls. They could change every conquest.

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Gekko should get new gear, and should say something along the lines of "I don't know what you Adventurers are doing, But I'm loving it"

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Originally Posted by Insaniac

Gekko should wear random VW bodies and glow weapons for ultimate trolls. They could change every conquest.

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This made me laugh way more than it should have. Well played sir.

Le Bump...

I still haven't given up Square Enix Incorporated, I hope you haven't either!

Just so you know. Those two people that needed Faijin Boots WAY back in October Still need em!

It's cool I guess, because plenty of people that already have em keep getting em!


"Add to Treasure Pool" would turn Voidwatch into an 'A - Class' event. Just a suggestion; you can have that one for Free!