Are We Wasting Our Time?

They took the JP button away when they added Abyssea. They didn't announce it, but they did it. It's really all we could ask for, now any favoritism is just throwing them a bone.

should have played phantasy star universe... they were so blatant with japanese favoritism the entire us population spoke out against it and our servers were promptly shut down

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Zarchery

I'm just curious, do any of you people actually enjoy the game?

---

I dont think the point is whether or not we like the game or not because either way it wouldnt matter because that still would get ignored in favor of the input of other countries. The argument could be made that if SE put a poll asking just that "Do you enjoy the game?" as you proposed that even with 100,000 NA users voting YES and only like 20,000 JA users voting NO this game would effectively be shut down bc of JA input being more valued than the NA forums. The fact that you cant pick up on that is beyond me. Even if a person likes a game that doesnt mean that arent things one feel can make the game even better than before. No game developed is ever perfect but that doesnt mean that depsite its imperfections that people dont like it. In addition just because a game is imperfect doesnt mean you should sit around and accept it and not try to improve upon it. For people with low self-esteem this concept of not settling may be hard to grasp but effort should definitely be made. LOL

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nakts

should have played phantasy star universe... they were so blatant with japanese favoritism the entire us population spoke out against it and our servers were promptly shut down

---

Always been like that for SEGA. Teams are not even working together and server are separated for a reason. However you cannot say that JP had it all on PSU, they had Guardian Cash while SEGA didn't implement it on our side because NA/EU players were hostile to microtransactions. Servers got then shut down due to the lack of revenue in NA/EU, that's about it.

Now back to XI, what people have a hard time to understand is that even if there is less voters on the JP forum, subscription wise, JP players are still the biggest part of the pie. Hence why SE is more listening to them, rather than EU/NA.

Just deal with it. If subscription breakdown was 70% NA/EU vs 30% JP, things would be different.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Antipika

Always been like that for SEGA. Teams are not even working together and server are separated for a reason. However you cannot say that JP had it all on PSU, they had Guardian Cash while SEGA didn't implement it on our side because NA/EU players were hostile to microtransactions. Servers got then shut down due to the lack of revenue in NA/EU, that's about it.

Now back to XI, what people have a hard time to understand is that even if there is less voters on the JP forum, subscription wise, JP players are still the biggest part of the pie. Hence why SE is more listening to them, rather than EU/NA.

Just deal with it. If subscription breakdown was 70% NA/EU vs 30% JP, things would be different.

---

I'm still looking for a link to the data that shows JP Players outnumbering all else. Let me know if you find it.

Edit: regardless of how many JP players there are, Racism = bad.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Because Japan doesn't have Idols?

---

http://www.sweetslyrics.com/images/i...ryz_Koubou.jpg

...


...


...


...

That creepy image contributed nothing to this topic, but I could not resist. Feel the stare of a half-dozen women dressed as twelve year old girls burn into you.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Antipika

Always been like that for SEGA. Teams are not even working together and server are separated for a reason. However you cannot say that JP had it all on PSU, they had Guardian Cash while SEGA didn't implement it on our side because NA/EU players were hostile to microtransactions. Servers got then shut down due to the lack of revenue in NA/EU, that's about it.

Now back to XI, what people have a hard time to understand is that even if there is less voters on the JP forum, subscription wise, JP players are still the biggest part of the pie. Hence why SE is more listening to them, rather than EU/NA.

Just deal with it. If subscription breakdown was 70% NA/EU vs 30% JP, things would be different.

---

When you can prove that you can post that. You can not, so stop acting like you speak backed up by fact!

yeah I somehow doubt JPN subs outnumber all other regions combined.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by SpankWustler

That creepy image contributed nothing to this topic, but I could not resist. Feel the stare of a half-dozen women dressed as twelve year old girls burn into you.

---

12 in Japan?

Middle Aged.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Greatguardian

12 in Japan?

Middle Aged.

---

Not going to lie...I started looking for a picture of a Idol dressed as a ten-year-old, but any image I could find with pig-tails or any other symbol of prepubescence contained too much nudity for this forum. After a while, I felt too creeped out to continue and settled for middle-school uniforms.

Looks to me like people have been confusing opinion polls for votes.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Selzak

I know this isn't the first time SE has been accused of favoritism on this forum, but I feel like this needs to be discussed. I think we definitely deserve an explanation for this:

BST Poll: Vote for which jug you would like to be implemented.

This vote was introduced in both the Japanese and English forums in running threads.

The Japanese thread.
Where it was introduced on page eleven and voting continued until page eighteen.
(seven pages of votes)

The English thread.
Where it was introduced on page eight and voting continued until page fifty-two.
(forty-four pages of votes)


Somehow, the Japanese favorite (Hippogryph) won over the English favorite (Scorpion).

44 English pages versus 7 Japanese pages, yet their vote won out.






Are we just talking to a wall here, where SE is inside talking to its Japanese players on the other side?

---

Of course, they only have their Japanese language fans/player-base in favor. I think their "official youtube" says it all.

I was just looking at that. WTF is fellow TV? I hope that is some fan produced thing cause if they are spending dev money on that garbage someone needs to burned at the stake.

I voted for ruszor i was quite surprised it didnt win im guessing not enough ppl have fought a real ruszor (lolsedna dosent count) but seeing as the vote didnt matter guess it was for the best.

I suggest to Mod, next time you want player to vote, PLEASE MAKE POLL TOPICS! that make everyone any lanauge can vote on the same poll.
and limited it 1 vote per 1 account that will reflex real need form all player all server, since we any lanauge all play on same server so it's mostly fair to just use same poll. so it's will be fair play, not just say "since group 1 want A, group 2 want B, group 3 want C, group 4 want A so is A win", no matter how many vote was count in each group... since 1+4 may only total 20 vote for all and B may 150 vote... and you hope ppl who vote for B will just accept...

Actually i'm not vote for Scrop, i vote for ruzor, and I think Hippo is not bad at all form i try, but i think it's just not fair to use this way to poll.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Krashport

Final Fantasy XIV < $$$ < Final Fantasy XI < JP Forums < US Forums.

---

I agree with this priority and its BS. FFXIV is still crap and if they were to do a overhaul of anything it should be FFXIV should just be new area's for FFXI. Like an upgrade and or expantion into one game that needs to be unlocked and not used by PS2 players. Either way I'm sure with the number of responses that come from the english forums this game should cater to NA over any other region. I barley see JP players on anymore (at least in Valefor) And im on normally during JP primetime playing.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Xpress

I agree with this priority and its BS. FFXIV is still crap and if they were to do a overhaul of anything it should be FFXIV should just be new area's for FFXI. Like an upgrade and or expantion into one game that needs to be unlocked and not used by PS2 players. Either way I'm sure with the number of responses that come from the english forums this game should cater to NA over any other region. I barley see JP players on anymore (at least in Valefor) And im on normally during JP primetime playing.

---

Quote:

---

FFXIV is still crap

---

It's really not still crap, it has greatly improved and is still improving, just like FFXI. Play FFXI at its japanese launch, I guarantee you'd have found it crap.

Wow, when did we become so entitled, anyway? You're asking SE to prioritize you over its own market where it's based? And who would have thunk that fans of FFXI would want them to prioritize their game over some other game? This is a totally, TOTALLY unbiased, reasonable viewpoint...

Square Enix is a Japanese company. Why should they prioritize us over their own people? In all actuality, nobody should be prioritized, we should all be treated equally.

Hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

ITT: Bias in feedback is bad.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Hurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

ITT: Bias in feedback is bad.

---

Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp

Yes, bias in feedback IS bad. Apparently we think we're better than the Japanese, for no reason in particular. What we want is what matters and what they want doesn't.

As someone who is normally quite objective, I'm suprised to see you make such a silly and irrelevant comment.

You're skipping steps. Bias in feedback is fine. It's something statisticians and marketing professionals who are worth half a crap already account for when compiling market data. Trying to remove your bias as a member of a polled market actually makes them overcompensate in their data and assume people are happy where they are not.

The issue is not one of perceived superiority, but rather one of perceived partiality. Companies have to make a conscious decision concerning their image when they do things like this. It's not unreasonable for an ancillary (though powerful) market to be upset when they are being treated inequitably by development staff. Do they necessarily have to care? Nah. But that doesn't make it unreasonable for people to be upset. People have every reason to be upset, and if SE's marketing division has any idea what they're doing (I know, they really really don't, but pretend they do), then they'd have already accounted for people being upset before making the decision and chose to proceed with it anyways.

Quote:

---

but rather one of perceived partiality.

---

Right, but whether or not the percieved partiality is accurate or not, people want them to be partial to us instead of partial to their own home market.

Instead of wanting them to be partial to us or them, people should be wanting it to be fair and equal. I don't have a problem with people being upset, but you ask for equality, not inverse discrimination.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Right, but whether or not the percieved partiality is accurate or not, people want them to be partial to us instead of partial to their own home market.

Instead of wanting them to be partial to us or them, people should be wanting it to be fair and equal. I don't have a problem with people being upset, but you ask for equality, not inverse discrimination.

---

I don't see any of that in the OP or in the conversations in this thread I partook in. The reason for this thread's creation was due to an imbalance, rather than wanting the balance in our favor. Voting is all fine and dandy. Ignoring votes gets people upset. I doubt most people here want SE to turn around and ignore the JP base. I certainly don't. But if they're going to ask for an international poll, I'd appreciate it if they did us the courtesy of counting our results.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Greatguardian

I don't see any of that in the OP or in the conversations in this thread I partook in. The reason for this thread's creation was due to an imbalance, rather than wanting the balance in our favor. Voting is all fine and dandy. Ignoring votes gets people upset. I doubt most people here want SE to turn around and ignore the JP base. I certainly don't. But if they're going to ask for an international poll, I'd appreciate it if they did us the courtesy of counting our results.

---

I was more specifically nodding at the post saying that we should be a higher priority than the Japanese. I agree that the voting should have been conducted equitably.