Current Empy 95 Price

You're unrealistic. I did 91 -> 95 in GoV and never got a Voiddust. Opening chests takes time, etc.

Basically, you have no argument because even if we accept all of your assumptions you still have a group of 18 people working 100 nights for one person to get a few base damage and 1 stat.

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Originally Posted by Byrth

You're unrealistic. I did 91 -> 95 in GoV and never got a Voiddust. Opening chests takes time, etc.

Basically, you have no argument because even if we accept all of your assumptions you still have a group of 18 people working 100 nights for one person to get a few base damage and 1 stat.

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Pretty much the same thing happened during the classic dynamis era. Upgrading 1 persons weapon taking several years. But that was then and this is now. People want goals that are realistically obtainable. Not a huge couple year grind for a minimal damage increase. Stuff like the 1500 plates for 95 empys are more likely to have people say screw it my weapon can stay at level 90 and since I really don't have anything else left to do in FFXI ill just cancel my sub for now.

Having a very long grind isn't the way to keep subscriptions.

LOL @ 100 nights to get Emp to 95. That's 1,800 nights or almost 5 years... Do you honestly think that's realistic? For a marginal upgrade or the fact this is a step upgrade and not the final version requirement.

Do you honestly believe people will join you in your 5 year journey to get 18 Emps to 95 in a game that is getting content thin updates at best meaning people are more likely to quit before those 5 years?

Where were you farming 91-95? Were you even in a zone with it as a drop? Maybe it's just poor luck on your part, I got nothing but Voiddust in my caskets hunting the Rare and R/EX drops in the original GoV areas. Also, idk how much time it takes you to open chests, but there's going to be at least 1-2 people that can focus on opening them. Farming exp/gil while prepping for the event. You don't even have to cleave either, you can find time to get one long Campaign battle or a Beseiged and not need to farm boxes/cp.

It's 100 nights under minimal conditions, no pouches dropping, without buying a single plate or doing more runs than planned. And don't give me that shit about how it's unreasonable, I've seen a lot of Emp holders mindlessly cleave and spam fight for hours on end for days/weeks straight to get the 85. In comparison a couple hours a night is nothing.

Also, no one even knows if the Emps got hidden boosts like relics and mythics, so a couple damage and a stat isn't a proper summation of the boost yet.

Just noticed: Voiddust is AHable, sells for 1-3k each, lots put up, sell fast. A real bank buster.

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Originally Posted by Return1

It's 100 nights under minimal conditions, no pouches dropping, without buying a single plate or doing more runs than planned. And don't give me that shit about how it's unreasonable, I've seen a lot of Emp holders mindlessly cleave and spam fight for hours on end for days/weeks straight to get the 85. In comparison a couple hours a night is nothing.

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The more runs you plan the more game time must be dedicated to being a farming machine, after all gotta keep those Void Stones in the positive to be able to spam. That sounds like loads of fun that definitely won't lead people to quit your group at some point or the game completely. Say we double the time that's still almost 2 and half years of work for 18 Emps...

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Originally Posted by Return1

Also, no one even knows if the Emps got hidden boosts like relics and mythics, so a couple damage and a stat isn't a proper summation of the boost yet.

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You get working on it because if there is no bonus good luck keeping people motivated once this can be tested.

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Originally Posted by Return1

Just noticed: Voiddust is AHable, sells for 1-3k each, lots put up, sell fast. A real bank buster.

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Create the demand and that price will rise happily.

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Plates cost too much gil.

Gil falls like rain and is used for nothing.

Voiddust is hard to comprehend, let alone come by.

Everyone wants an Emp.

You're the only group in the entire game to find HMP.

Worst case scenarios are the only case scenarios.

Pouches are a lie.

There are no hidden boosts to 95 emps.

There will be no 99 Emp that may justify having to deal with a crappy 95 jump.

Heavy Metal Plates, like Comet, Thunder V, Blizzaja, and all the new sellable equipment, will never go down in price.

People will never work together on a weapon that few may get.

Etc.


The fail is strong on these boards.

No, you're basically an idiot. I could get a relic in a month solo, why should one stage of an Empyrean take 3 months and the work of 17 other people?

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Originally Posted by Sesh

But let's be honest the chances of that being done by SE are like .00000001%

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Sadly yes. The most likely outcome is that 4 years from now SE has an FFXIV with around 30k players on 16 servers that they still adamantly refuse to give up on and a dying, content starved and utterly ruined FFXI with around 50k players crammed into 2 servers who only hang on because of their memories of better times. The rest will have moved on and will never come back to play FFXIV no matter how "good" it becomes because they know that the devs will get bored of working on it in a few years and decide to replace it with something new just like they did with FFXI and try to herd them all into a new game they didn't ask for and don't want by ruining the game they are currently playing to drive them over.

I'm pretty sure the intention of the lvl 95 and 99 upgrades are simply bragging rights. Even at 90 an emp is still the best weapon of it's class in the game for most weapons. Hell even 85 emps beat lvl 95 relics in most cases. The whole point is you have an easily upgradable version of the weapon (90) and then you have two additional stages that really make little difference in the weapon's effectiveness that are there just as a status symbol.

They're trying to cater to both the casual and hardcore crowd at the same time with this.

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Originally Posted by Return1

It's 100 nights under minimal conditions

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Wrong, those are optimal conditions. You're completely deluded if you think you'll find 17 people who wanna spend ~6 hours absolutely every single day, no exceptions, for five years to get a Lv95 weapon. It will not happen, ever. If you really believe that, go see a psychiatrist.

The reality is, there will be some LS like back in the relic days, LS that abuse their members to get plates for themselves. However, they will be very rare and very hard to get members, because a) Empyreans are a lot more common, so a lot more people will think about getting it, and b) because there's not much incentive for people to keep doing Voidwatch, all the time.

The only possible way to fix this, is if they add more ways to obtain plates in the next update. But I dread to find out what the next upgrade to Lv99 will be. Knowing SE, probably 5000 plates for Acc+2.

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Originally Posted by Return1

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Plates cost too much gil.

Gil falls like rain and is used for nothing.

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You fail at understanding. I have been explaining you that doing voidwatch doesn't give more chance at a level 95 than anyone else, precisely because it's easier/faster to buy plates. 150M of today is not super awesome. The only problem is the supply. My chance is that there will be people like your LS members that will pretend they didn't get plates and bazar them for 100k.

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Originally Posted by Monchat

Moving from 10% critical hit rate to 13% critical hit rate is a progression of ~2.5% damage; I considered that a critical hit rate does 2x a normal damage to simplify. At 1.2 pDIF is is 1.8x iirc, again, so the progress shoulbe lower. Now if you use dancing edge , +2.5% melee damage, but +0% WS damage, ie ~+1.25% global.

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You're so right. Dex adds +0% WS damage on Dancing Edge. If only Dancing Edge had like a 30% Dex WSC or something hmmm.... oh wait.

Mercy stroke, what is it. The truth is that someone semi serious about THF should be targetting it.

The logic in this thread is awesome.

Its not faster to farm your own plates in a climate where plates are yet to be well circulated and are overpriced by early obtainees to try and make big gil off of the stupidity of the impatient.

Saying retarded crap like that is why all the other boards refer to the official forums as the home of stupidity.

I love how people are complaining about how awful the current EMP 95 upgrade is, but will argue against pooling because everyone is going to really go for it. Newsflash, most people will probably give up from QQ till the price inevitably falls through the floor.

Arcon quit being a complete tool and exaggerating everything. 6hours? If it takes you 6 hours to get 3 VW fights done, you should just quit the freaking game. And people won't team up if you offer some reward of some type? Not true at all. Gil is easy to come by, but most don't farm it. Most people in this game don't have Emp weapons either (and some of us have no need for them), and may be doing VW for the gear/gil from it, and the -GASP- fun of the battles! 5 years for everyone to get theirs? Bullshit, farming and snapping up cheap plates will make it a breeze, especially when the QQers drop out of the race so to speak.

I also love how people go on about how people WON'T do this or that, when there are people in this game that obviously will.

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Originally Posted by Return1

Its not faster to farm your own plates in a climate where plates are yet to be well circulated and are overpriced by early obtainees to try and make big gil off of the stupidity of the impatient.

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There is no fast way at all and there never will be. There isn't even a decent way. Only a retarded way, as of our current knowledge, and that's precisely the problem.

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Originally Posted by Return1

Saying retarded crap like that is why all the other boards refer to the official forums as the home of stupidity.

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Have you looked around other forums? They pretty much all say the same thing. As of right now, it's you vs. everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Return1

I love how people are complaining about how awful the current EMP 95 upgrade is, but will argue against pooling because everyone is going to really go for it. Newsflash, most people will probably give up from QQ till the price inevitably falls through the floor.

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Not going to happen. The price will always remain high, because people will always wanna go for it. Look at relics. People always wanted to do relics, no matter how impossible it seemed, and that's why the price for coins was always really high. And keep in mind, that this update is needed for Lv99 upgrade, even if this update didn't add much by itself.

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Originally Posted by Return1

Arcon quit being a complete tool and exaggerating everything. 6hours? If it takes you 6 hours to get 3 VW fights done, you should just quit the freaking game.

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What you said before didn't make you sound like an elitist prick, but this does. And it's not just the battles, it's everything involved in it, from farming to gathering.

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Originally Posted by Return1

And people won't team up if you offer some reward of some type? Not true at all. Gil is easy to come by, but most don't farm it. Most people in this game don't have Emp weapons either (and some of us have no need for them), and may be doing VW for the gear/gil from it, and the -GASP- fun of the battles! 5 years for everyone to get theirs? Bullshit, farming and snapping up cheap plates will make it a breeze, especially when the QQers drop out of the race so to speak.

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Wishful thinking, at best, but probably just ignorant delusions. What gear, what gil? Do you think anyone will still want something from it after a month of doing three battles a night? And, for that matter, do you think the stuff from there will still be worth anything? Except for the plates of course, which everyone will want.

And you keep forgetting that this is all just for one person still. God forbid two people wanna work on their Empyreans. What you say is simply not realistic, not in any way, shape or form. You keep assuming the best of conditions, that you will find people, that everyone will help on every fight, that everyone will get a drop. That is just silly.

Guys, tons of people not motivated enough to have empyreans will for sure be willing to put in 50 times the work of getting their own lvl 90 empyrean just so someone else can go from level 90 to 95. You just need to be really smart and amazing to make it happen. Also all these people will show up on time every night 7 days a week for sure and keep helping after they get the gear they want. You only need charisma.

I didn't know Dallas had an alt with an Apoc.

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There is no fast way at all and there never will be. There isn't even a decent way. Only a retarded way, as of our current knowledge, and that's precisely the problem.

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Your reading comprehension is weak. I was saying Doing VW and buying was faster than just buying, especially at this point in time.

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Not going to happen. The price will always remain high, because people will always wanna go for it. Look at relics. People always wanted to do relics, no matter how impossible it seemed, and that's why the price for coins was always really high. And keep in mind, that this update is needed for Lv99 upgrade, even if this update didn't add much by itself.

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People always want to go for Relic type upgrades, but less than 1% of the population had them before, this isn't going to change. People will want it, but most won't get it.

Btw, Relics and coins are a HORRIBLE example for you. Prices on coins have drastically plummeted over the years. I remember when I started Apoc and coins were 30-50k depending on which city they were. Over the course of ~2 years the prices plummeted to 10k-20k a coin, with no adjustments but the amount of circulating coins. In the last year, coins changed from 5-16k to a universal 10k. The dynamis change balanced the cost of the coins so they're about all equal, but the demand grew with the supply.

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What you said before didn't make you sound like an elitist prick, but this does. And it's not just the battles, it's everything involved in it, from farming to gathering.

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If it takes your group 6 straight hours to farm, gather, and do three short fights, you're borderline too stupid to live let alone do an organized LS event well. No wonder you're in disbelief that people will find workarounds.

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Wishful thinking, at best, but probably just ignorant delusions. What gear, what gil? Do you think anyone will still want something from it after a month of doing three battles a night? And, for that matter, do you think the stuff from there will still be worth anything?

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The same way I got around not having enough people for one event. I recruited for multiple events, and made a cross event point system. Gil/gear/help from or with other events is the motivation to help with the event you don't care to do otherwise. It's essentially the same as doing Sea for a D.Chap. I know it's insanely hard to comprehend, using rewards from elsewhere in the game to reward people for doing something they need nothing from.

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Except for the plates of course, which everyone will want.

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WRONG. Holy shit could you be more wrong? Not everyone wants plates. Not everyone will be bothered to get them. Most people don't have base 85 Emps even.

I lot of people argueing against me are saying because people can easily do something without a lses help, but while that's the case, most people don't do it, so your point is moot. Sure anyone can Dual Box a MNK and a WHM and make an Emp of their choice, but far less than 25% of the population actually do. Sure Dynamis farming is amazing gil, too bad most of the population doesn't do it, let alone know how to proc in Dynamis.

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And you keep forgetting that this is all just for one person still. God forbid two people wanna work on their Empyreans.

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No, it's for everyone, in an order. It's the exact thing as getting in line for any other rare drop in the game, except this drop is made up of 1500 plates instead of Refresh and 15enfeebling magic skill right out of the box. Once one person gets it, the line moves forward. Also, not everyone in the ls is on the list because not everyone cares.

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You keep assuming the best of conditions,

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Wrong.

Best conditions would include pouches and higher drops on singles.

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that you will find people

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Finding people is easy, and people have done stupider things in this game than working together to focus on one emp at a time to push them out faster. Hell some extremely large old Endgame LSes on the "higher tiers" used to require you give them your account info and phone numbers and in some cases required you to pay RL money for tools to claim HNMs just to join. That's A LOT dumber than what I'm proposing.

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that everyone will help on every fight, that everyone will get a drop. That is just silly.

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I never said everyone would participate every fight, but everyone would get some reward, because good leaders find ways to benefit ALL of their members.

Also, we can now add this to the long list of Premature QQs like Nyzul WSes costing over 10,000 WS points to unlock, Abyssea being a flop, Dynamis changes killing currency drop rate and farming, Scrolls being too hard to find, VW being a flop, WoE adjustments killing the event, etc.

Turns out Pouches drop at a rate close to 1 pouch per alliance per 1-2 fights from Zilart path. Pouches also seem to follow the Cotton Purse system so far, 4-20 plates per pouch, an average of 12 plates per pouch going by that, and can drop more than 1 pouch to the alliance per battle.

Lets run the numbers for an alliance, say 5 plates on average per run, 1 pouch every 4 runs (Looks pretty lowball right now), 4 runs a night. Thats an average of ~32 plates a night, so about 47 nights of farming.

That's lowballing the drop rate on pouches, not buying a single plate, and only doing the scheduled runs with your group. a couple hours a night is pretty tame considering what a lot of Emp holders I've seen did to get theirs.

QQ more.

I'm curious what other event you think you can use to force people to do voidwatch 7 days a week for points.

I'm curious what group of people are doing VW that can't/won't make an emp other than non Calad Drks, Drgs going for mythic (they won't bother with VW anyway), Mages with no other jobs? We back in 2005?

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Garbage

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As I said, assuming best of conditions, and worse, you don't even get it. Yes, you do expect everyone to show up, all the time. And even more, you expect them to show up to other events as well. Guess what, you're not looking at 6h/daily now, you're at 12h+. That means this isn't an Empyrean LS anymore, it's a complete event LS oriented solely around VW, if you plan to do daily runs. And suddenly, you assume four runs a night instead of three. And do you think anyone at all who isn't interested in Empyreans is even remotely gonna consider joining that linkshell? Of course you do, that's your oh so delightful glass-half-full point of view.

On a side note, anyone using the term "QQ" is hard to take seriously.

I mainly skimmed this thread cause frankly didn't want to read all the QQ'ing from people who lowmanned their Empy (Kannagi owners looking at you). But from someone who has an Almace, Ryunohige, Aegis. Yes relics once they adjusted the whole killing blow bull and numbers of mobs were made easier to get to 95 with very good bonuses. Empys easy to get 85, 90 wasn't too bad with a small group.

But the main thing that irk's me is when mythic is listed in here for time spent completing just the 75 i love how just alex is mentioned, just ignore the time I put in doing every assault twice, 100k ampoules in einjer, the 150k tokens in Nyzul. Wasting my linkshells time doing the 3 Beastmen Kings of Toau. Taking a crap ton of zeni pics (SE I hate you for making me use a camera in this game) just to get my 3 triggers, which until last update weren't 100% drop. And heaven forbid you d/c during fight to obtain key item to get mythic so you have to refarm your triggers possibly.

Than once all that was said and done dropping the 30k alex which since salvage lost popularity became a pain the arse to obtain large quantities fast. And yes I know the plate drop rate is horrid. and yes the awesome 90 Mythic which means refarming 3 tier 4 pops which is again a pain since no one does the content. So by far the work for a mythic is 10 times the work for a good usuable empy 90. Just Saying...

I don't think anyone disagrees that the Mythic grind is disproportionate. It's in serious need of adjustment but past failures in design are no reason for future failures in design.

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Originally Posted by noodles355

You're so right. Dex adds +0% WS damage on Dancing Edge. If only Dancing Edge had like a 30% Dex WSC or something hmmm.... oh wait.

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The discussion was about the critical hit bonus from dex, not the ws mods. I mainly considered the melee damage for one hand in order to compare. For melee damage, 1.5DMG+15 DEX versus 25 attack, I showed that 25 attack is better unless you can reach a high dDEX with it (40~50). On anything worthwhile ( lv 100+ mobs say) I doubt you get anything more than 2~3% crit rate. DEX builds require to sacrifice a lot, you hav a high dDEX most likely on mobs weaker than EP most likely, maybe esceptions.

For WS comparison its even easier since you ask the question. If you use dancing edge it is just 1.5DMG+15*0.3DMG ( more or less 6DMG) versus 25 attack. Here its even worse. I don't remember the precise figures of DEX CHR for today's THF, maybe 150 DEX and 70 lolCHR for WS? I remember having 130 ish at 75. This gives about 55 DMG. Not even considering fSTR yet, you see that this time for WS, 1 DMG is less than 1% increase since your base DMG will be above 100.

So 1.5 DMG+15 DEX=6DMG=less than 6% damage, while 25 attack is >6%. This is for when you main hand the dagger. If its is subhand the difference is even more in favor of kila+3 since sub hand is only one of the 6~8 hits of WS [ soin this case it is 15 dex versus 25 attack for all hits but one].

The exception would be of course if you use eviceration and main hand the dagger. But it will be weaker than dacing edge unless you have a high dDEX already. And if you have a high dDEX, you most likely have high dSTR already too, ie abyssea situation where we know killas arent very good. In an abyssea situation anyway, the +15 DEX on the weapon will not do much either lol, so the discussion is pointeless( 4 DMG versus 25 attack, kila+3 clearly loses). That's what I call situational.

Summary: high dDEX ( weak mobs, abyssea etc) DMG 49 DEX +15 main hand is good. Anything worthwhile or sub hand: no.


Im not saying that this new dagger sucks, saying its sats are totally unimpressing and the only good part is occasionally deals severe damge, which could be good or bad depending on wether it procs often or not... wait and see. it is stored in the "side grade" items for me.

The only complaint I have about plates being 100k each when the market stabilizes is that in my opinion, Mythic is still superior, because its custom to the job its for. So why should empyrean users pay more for theirs than a mythic user will for theirs.

I like the idea of seperating the casual player from the hardcore, SE must have seen the census of empyrean owners and properly corrected it by requireing 1500 plates.

Also, mythic gets occ att 3x by 99, im sure relic will recieve similiar upgrades and perhaps empyrean will get damage 3x in its aftermath. I just think that since empyrean to me isn't as good as a mythic why should it cost 150m, perhaps 75m for a 99 would be more reasonable, by doubling the current plate drop rate. Of course, as with ancient currency the prices have not really diimished as much as one might have thought they would, SE said orginally that prices of currencey would drop because although drop rates where affected the fact that broader access from the remodeled dynamis would flood the market with currencey which would reduce the overall cost of a relic. It seems that not as many people do dynamis or voidwatch, as was intended perhaps? So maybe the concept of doubling the plate drop rate would only affect a few individuals perhaps?

You can't take someone serious if they use "QQ", I can't take someone serious if they're dumb enough to think 3-4 VW fights takes anywhere near 6-12 hours with farming.

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The only complaint I have about plates being 100k each when the market stabilizes is that in my opinion, Mythic is still superior, because its custom to the job its for. So why should empyrean users pay more for theirs than a mythic user will for theirs.

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the plates will bottom out much lower than 100k each. People are just now figuring out that the Zilart VW paths have a good drop rate on Heavy Metal Pouches, each pouch dropping 4-20 plates. The whiners on this board are too busy QQing and being douches to even use rationality.

You realize when I estimated "1 plate per person per fight" I was factoring in pouches already, right? Also, the highest plates per pouch reported thus far is 14. It bottoms out lower than Cotton pouches (4 vs. 5), so it might top out lower than them as well. I'd be unsurprised to find it's 4~16 or something instead of 5~20.

When someone shows up and goes, "hey guys, these Zilart Tier 3s have a good drop rate on pouches! We got 3 in 2 fights!" the correct response isn't: "Oh man, 3 in 2 fights? That's awesome!"
The correct response is: "Okay, 3 in 2 fights, average of 10 plates per pouch, 30 plates in 2 fights, 15 plates per fight, 100 Zilart tier 3 fights per 95 Empyrean. Lets look at what's required... Okay, he was using two Aegis and one Ochain Paladins along with 15 other players."

6 Jeuno Tier 3 fights net 25~30 plates.

Cotton purses are 4-20, not 5-20, and I know for a fact pouches give more than 14, as I've seen one give 15. And if you're going to pitch 6 fights = 3 pouches, in the same thread, you can see 3 pouches in 2 fights.

Instead of QQing why do people refuse to wait at least a month after the update?

Yes, i just seen plates in someone's bazaar for 20k each, at this rate its 30m to buy all 1500, not bad by any standard if it gets me to 99 with 3x damage aftermath. Assuming 3x damage will be the 99 aftermath.

Nobody's whinning, its a discussion and as I said if the plates were to bottom out and be 100k then that would be too much and something would need to be done about that because it would be pointless to pay that much for 1500 plates for one empyrean stage.

As I just said in this statement I've now seen them for as low as 20k each, that's 30m, a bit lower than the 75m I was willing to pay but theres always 95-99 stage so we'll see the total cost.

Wow, you should have bought them and resold for 300~400k.

Out of all the Salvage I've done for my Mythic, I have gotten pouches with:
4 Alexandrite : 0 times
5 Alexandrite : 5 times
6 Alexandrite : 9 times
7 Alexandrite : 3 times
8 Alexandrite : 3 times
9 Alexandrite : 2 times
10 Alexandrite : 7 times
11 Alexandrite : 1 time
12 Alexandrite : 6 times
13 Alexandrite : 2 times
14 Alexandrite : 9 times
15 Alexandrite : 7 times
16 Alexandrite : 7 times
17 Alexandrite : 3 times
18 Alexandrite : 8 times
19 Alexandrite : 5 times
20 Alexandrite : 3 times
21 Alexandrite : 0 times
Average : 12.45 Alexandrite per purse
If it was an even distribution from 5 to 20, predicted average : 12.5 Alexandrite per purse

So yeah, not proof that 4-Alex pouches can't happen, but I don't have it recorded and I don't recall it ever happening in a time I wasn't recording.

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Yes, i just seen plates in someone's bazaar for 20k each, at this rate its 30m to buy all 1500, not bad by any standard if it gets me to 99 with 3x damage aftermath. Assuming 3x damage will be the 99 aftermath.

Nobody's whinning, its a discussion and as I said if the plates were to bottom out and be 100k then that would be too much and something would need to be done about that because it would be pointless to pay that much for 1500 plates for one empyrean stage.

As I just said in this statement I've now seen them for as low as 20k each, that's 30m, a bit lower than the 75m I was willing to pay but theres always 95-99 stage so we'll see the total cost.

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Gotta call poidh on this one.

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Originally Posted by Byrth

Wow, you should have bought them and resold for 300~400k.

Out of all the Salvage I've done for my Mythic, I have gotten pouches with:
4 Alexandrite : 0 times
5 Alexandrite : 5 times
6 Alexandrite : 9 times
7 Alexandrite : 3 times
8 Alexandrite : 3 times
9 Alexandrite : 2 times
10 Alexandrite : 7 times
11 Alexandrite : 1 time
12 Alexandrite : 6 times
13 Alexandrite : 2 times
14 Alexandrite : 9 times
15 Alexandrite : 7 times
16 Alexandrite : 7 times
17 Alexandrite : 3 times
18 Alexandrite : 8 times
19 Alexandrite : 5 times
20 Alexandrite : 3 times
21 Alexandrite : 0 times
Average : 12.45 Alexandrite per purse
If it was an even distribution from 5 to 20, predicted average : 12.5 Alexandrite per purse

So yeah, not proof that 4-Alex pouches can't happen, but I don't have it recorded and I don't recall it ever happening in a time I wasn't recording.

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Boss pouches can give close to 100 if my memory is right.

This is my take on the whole subject:

Voidwatch is just terribly designed, the fights are cool its more challenging than abyssea which is all fine and dandy, however, light system is what makes this not a popular event. Over the years FFXI endgame went through various transitions of full scale alliance battles of 18 people to eventually 12 then falling to 6-8 then dipping below to 2-6 man content. The real reason why so many people did emp weapons was because you no longer needed a dedicated LS, it was just about you and a mule or you to several friends working to a common goal, had nothing to do with how easy or hard it was, the content was accessible.

Enter voidwatch, due to the nature of wanting drops you need to bring lots of players or find people with lots of mules to cover all the procs, this is a giant step up after a long period of accessible content where you could do whatever you wanted with a few friends or two boxing to needing a dedicated group of around 18 to ensure you have the best chance at capping lights and this is why this event is NEVER going to be as popular as abyssea, has nothing to do with difficulty/easy-mode, the event itself is not accessible in today's game.

Post patch I spent around 50+ hrs in some of the new VW zones in the zilart area's ranging from sky to Boyahda Tree, Kuftal, Ro'maeve while skilling up various weapons, I almost always found myself around a Planar Rift and not once did I see any LS show up to these however no matter what time of day I zone into whatever zone in Abyssea its bustling with people, always busy, always people there, I think that alone speaks volumes of the actual popularity of voidwatch.

This whole plate thing is ridiculous in its current state and I don't have an emp weapon being that I had just returned to the game. Sure it might get adjusted eventually when SE loses a few subs because its hard to find dedicated people to do Voidwatch. If this event was ever going to be popular wouldn't you think every planar rift would be busy? I have never seen anyone else around doing Voidwatch or heading to those rifts when my LS was doing it during prime time NA hours but we continue to see lines and lines of LS's at most pop nm's in every zone in abyssea.

This is the classic case of SE listening to trolls who whined for months about accessible content(omg ez-mode abyssea!) to hoping to re-live the "glory nostalgia days of early LV75cap" where you needed bigger groups to clear content and ultimately it will backfire in their face. I think there will still be people who are going to torture themselves and eventually get the 95 emp weps but that still doesn't mean the event is an overwhelming success like Abyssea was.

First of all, Abysea is pretty much the best EXP zone in the game. You're saying a sign that VW fails is because more people are at EXP camps than doing Endgame content. That logic is fallacious.

Not only that, but Abyssea was pretty unpopular when it first came out because people didn't know how to work it. VW is pretty much the same. This VW update pretty much made VW into WoE without the free RR, and with better rewards. VW has been a pretty good success for an Endgame event so far.

And that's the difference. Abyssea is NOT endgame. Abyssea was designed as low level, exp content meant to get you prepared for the new endgame that was to come out in the final updates. Abyssea is over and there's still 9 levels to go after it.

People saying Endgame should be like abyssea are the same people that called Merit Parties endgame back at 75. Lame.

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Boss pouches can give close to 100 if my memory is right.

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Yeah, I've gotten 75 and 96 from them. Unfortunately, killing the boss every run, I've still only gotten 2 or 3 in all those runs.

Recorded: 70, 56, 74, 85, 75, 96

Two of those weren't mine though, but you can see that it's probably ~50-99

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First of all, Abysea is pretty much the best EXP zone in the game. You're saying a sign that VW fails is because more people are at EXP camps than doing Endgame content. That logic is fallacious.

Not only that, but Abyssea was pretty unpopular when it first came out because people didn't know how to work it. VW is pretty much the same. This VW update pretty much made VW into WoE without the free RR, and with better rewards. VW has been a pretty good success for an Endgame event so far.

And that's the difference. Abyssea is NOT endgame. Abyssea was designed as low level, exp content meant to get you prepared for the new endgame that was to come out in the final updates. Abyssea is over and there's still 9 levels to go after it.

People saying Endgame should be like abyssea are the same people that called Merit Parties endgame back at 75. Lame.

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You missed the entire point, its not popular because you need basically need 18 people if you want the best chance at loot from voidwatch and if your after plates you will bring max people or pretty close to it. The jump of people needed from abyssea NM's to voidwatch NM's is the problem due to the nature of the lights system, for a long time you could bring a friend or two and go get stuff done in abyssea. This is a classic case of accessible content vs non-accessible content to the masses and if you don't see why then I don't know what else to tell you.

Whether or not the event is fun, challening, easy-mode has NOTHING to do with the point i'm trying to make, the point is voidwatch is never going to be an event you and 3 other friends decide to go do on a whim because of how terrible the lights system is and thats why its never going to be a popular endgame event to anyone who can't find a proper alliance to go with.

This event will never be lowmannable until they revise the proc systems, this is the beef most people have with the event. I think the event is fun but its terribly designed for "TODAY's FFXI" had this released years ago when most LS's had 18+ players and dedicated HNM ls's nobody would have a problem with this event in its current state.

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You missed the entire point, its not popular because you need basically need 18 people if you want the best chance at loot from voidwatch and if your after plates you will bring max people or pretty close to it. The jump of people needed from abyssea NM's to voidwatch NM's is the problem due to the nature of the lights system, for a long time you could bring a friend or two and go get stuff done in abyssea. This is a classic case of accessible content vs non-accessible content to the masses and if you don't see why then I don't know what else to tell you.

Whether or not the event is fun, challening, easy-mode has NOTHING to do with the point i'm trying to make, the point is voidwatch is never going to be an event you and 3 other friends decide to go do on a whim because of how terrible the lights system is and thats why its never going to be a popular endgame event to anyone who can't find a proper alliance to go with.

This event will never be lowmannable until they revise the proc systems, this is the beef most people have with the event. I think the event is fun but its terribly designed for "TODAY's FFXI" had this released years ago when most LS's had 18+ players and dedicated HNM ls's nobody would have a problem with this event in its current state.

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Your point is that VW is not popular because you need 18+ people to do well on it. But this logic fails when you apply it to something like WoE. In the newly updated WoE, you need 18+ people to clear some of the newer confluxes. Yet WoE is accessible and popular to boot.

You are correct when you say VW is not easily lowmannable (barring some parts of the Bastok/Sandy path). I believe SE's intention was to have people team up and work together with little drama over lotting on loot. The focus on individual loot caskets (like WoE) is evidence of this. Since most people are unreasonably and unjustifiably afraid of large LS's these days, their alternative is to put together shout groups, groups of friends, or create a new event-specific VW LS as some people have been doing.

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Your point is that VW is not popular because you need 18+ people to do well on it. But this logic fails when you apply it to something like WoE. In the newly updated WoE, you need 18+ people to clear some of the newer confluxes. Yet WoE is accessible and popular to boot.

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In WoE you "need" 18 what/ever the heck you want for jobs to win... That isn't the same as VW on any level. You don't actually need 18 to get past woe zones. I've done #9 with 11 randoms and the older ones can be done with 3-6 people.

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In WoE you "need" 18 what/ever the heck you want for jobs to win... That isn't the same as VW on any level. You don't actually need 18 to get past woe zones. I've done #9 with 11 randoms and the older ones can be done with 3-6 people.

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That is not relevant to my point. Regardless of what jobs you need or don't need for WoE, it is still a popular event that attracts a wide variety of people. His point was that VW would never be popular because of the numbers needed. I pointed out a popular event that attracts the Dynamis LS-sized numbers of old. The PEOPLE are there. As long as someone herds them up (via shout group or LS) and a few switch for procs/healing support, voila, you have a VW alliance.

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That is not relevant to my point. Regardless of what jobs you need or don't need for WoE, it is still a popular event that attracts a wide variety of people. His point was that VW would never be popular because of the numbers needed. I pointed out a popular event that attracts the Dynamis LS-sized numbers of old. The PEOPLE are there. As long as someone herds them up (via shout group or LS) and a few switch for procs/healing support, voila, you have a VW alliance.

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Its popular because you can come any job and get a chest. You can show up on a given job and mindlessly play it and still rank. So yes it does matter.

Get a group of people who mindlessly attack monsters and do as they wish on an individual level to go to VW and let me know how that works out. My bet is it won't work at all.

WoE popular? All I hear is people complaining about WoE and the only ones I know or heard of who are doing it are just doing it to sell the new scrolls from there. First time ever I'm hearing that someone actually likes WoE.