SE, Temper Activation Rate

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

Personally I think that SE should make a new FFXI with all the same mechanics stories, etc. on a updated platform, and then build from there. They might just get theire old player base back.

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I'd only go for it if they decide to go with advance class/class specializations for each job instead of a subjob system, that way hybrids aren't swallowed in civil war like the RDM playerbase currently is.

If RDM was then to progress as

Red Mage
Option A: Magic Fencer
Option B: Support Caster

I'd be one happy taru.

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Red Mage
Option A: Magic Fencer

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Uh, that job exists. It's called blue mage.

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

Uh, that job exists. It's called blue mage.

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And now we come full circle. Monster magic, pointy shoes and a scimitar does not equal pimp hat, rapier, and black/white magic.

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

LOL? RDM has gained like 3 new pieces of melee gear since 75, compare that to ANY other melee job in the game for a huge lol.

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The Quote was (And forgive me for paraphrasing) "RDM has no good gear choices for melee" and i said "You're wrong". Try sticking to the context of my words. I didn't say RDM was a good DD or it got a load of new 76+ DD Options.

ever.

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The entire af3+2 set is also DESIGNED FOR CASTING, notice how the sets are perfectly designed for every single job? Yeah, you're supposed to be casting.

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Irrelevant to what i said. You said RDM has no good DD gear. I said you were wrong. Please stick to what i said.

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RDM isn't even on twilight or bullwhip belt, making it need a speed belt, swift belt or goading belt. Zelus tiara and goading belt also don't count as new melee gear for RDM because they can be equipped by ALL jobs.

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Also Irrelevant? Where did i say they had new melee gear? I named the 1 piece i found relevant (Calmacac Trousers). Goading belt is a given though. That being said, Even though i agree RDM isn't a melee (I made the RDM magic thread Heyo), You're arguments are hideously flawed and its actually making "RDM magic" crowd look bad.

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Also notice how RDM is only on the teal set(caster set) and not the perle(heavy DD) or aurore(light DD) sets? Going to take the hint yet?

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How is this relevant again? "RDM has no good Melee gear choices" was the context of what you said. I proved you wrong. How is their gear selection 76+ Relevant?

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Also, really? "cap equip haste with relative ease"? Are we playing the same game?

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Goliard Saio.

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I guess needing a SPEED BELT, dusk +1 feet, dusk +1 gloves, a zelus tiara

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Zelus 8%
Goliard 4%
Goading 5%
Dusk Hands3%
Calmacac 3%
Dusk Feet 2%

Is 25%, HQ Feet or Hands and you get 26% (true 25% Cap). Dusk Feet/hands +1 are dirt cheap these days too compared to old prices. Its rather accessible.

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(LOL @ ever getting that on RDM)

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Guess someones doesn't have friends? That NM is killed so often Zelus' hit the ground. I guess it'd probably be hard for someone like you. You're a Sparky fella, So quick to get angry, you actually went on this lovely rant just because i pointed out RDM has a few good DD gear selections.

I even agree I don't feel RDM is a melee.

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and 2M pants is "cap equip haste with relative ease".

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I guess going to the Auction house is a bit difficult? oh well, If you can't afford Calmacac (lol) you can always get the ASA pants with Haste+3 i suppose. They aren't good for much else these days.

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You don't even have 26% haste with this gear, and would need a goliard saoi

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I'm sorry, Whats wrong with needing level 75 armor? Dusk+1 hands are still the best for a few jobs How is the level of the armor remotely related to its usefulness so long as its stats are still relevant?

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from something no one does, and has no other DD stats at all lol...) in order to reach 26% haste.

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Uh, Haste+4% is the only DD stat that matters on that body, Of course, but its a darn good one.

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So from level 75 - > 90, RDM has gained a grand total of 2 pieces of new TP gear that isn't equippable by ALL jobs, atheling mantle and calmace trousers.

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Relevant how?

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Hey look, brd is on them too, should we go to the brd forums and make a 300 page thread DEMANDING a buff to our BRD meleeing abilities? Maybe we should!

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Actually, Believe it or not, BRD is a great DD in Abyssea. But what isn't. Kinda irrelevant. But they can pump out some good Evisceration numbers, that and they can Self March, That puts them in a good spot.

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Funny thing is, bard has access to much better WS and TP gear(hecatomb, byakkos, blah blah blah) than a RDM ever will, while also capping haste more easily and access to better daggers(magian daggers and twashtar). Not even mentioning the fact RDM doesn't get a single good sword WS natively, getting the same dagger weapon skills a bard gets. BRD DD LETS GO!!!!!

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Still not in context with what i said, However, RDM can use Chant Du Cygne, which is leagues ahead of Rudras (unless you're a THF or DNC).

"Funny thing" is, You said (i'm paraphrasing) "RDM has no good options for DD Gear", and i named its good options. Dunno where this all came from.

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RDM has gained 2 new pieces of DD gear since level 75, other DD jobs have gained an entire af3+2 set, and numerous other misc items, including the perle/aurore set and other AH/VW options.

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Relevant how? Who cares if the Armor's level 72 If its still amazing DD gear?

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RDM is not a melee DD job.

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You seem to not understand what i'm saying, Here's a quote from me on your post:

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I agree with what you're saying

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This right here is me saying i agree RDM is not a melee, I was simply pointing out they have GEAR to melee. Who cares if its level 75 or lower when its there and actually decent armor?
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Originally Posted by Duelle

And now we come full circle. Monster magic, pointy shoes and a scimitar does not equal pimp hat, rapier, and black/white magic.

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Box art does not a job make.

Level 76+ gear matters because every other REAL dd job got INSANE new gear. Keep thinking RDM got has good melee gear though, considering a BLM SMN BRD WHM has the same melee options almost, and brd even has better : ( No good "amazing" DD gear here, go read a real DD's jobs af3+2 to see real DD gear......not trash we used 15 levels ago. wtf.

Next time don't reply to my entire post with "no you're wrong, no you're 12, no you're raging, no you're immature, no irrelevant lulz!", thanks.

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

Level 76+ gear matters because every other REAL dd job got INSANE new gear. Keep thinking RDM got good melee gear though, considering a BLM SMN BRD WHM has the same melee options almost, and brd even has better :(

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I don't think RDM is a DD, I don't think they will ever become a DD based on SE's track record. My only argument was they have some Decent DD gear options.

Its just not enough to make them good at it. Nothing more nothing less. I feel RDM should be a Nuker/Enhancer/Enfeebler myself.

And for what its worth, Hecatomb+1 gear, augmented, is some of the best WS armor for the jobs on it. Level is irrelevant if the stats are still decent!

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Next time don't reply to my entire post with "no you're wrong, no you're 12, no you're raging, no you're immature, no irrelevant lulz!", thanks.

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I'll reply how i want, thanks.

Maybe next time try not to type a 3 paragraph rage fest simply because i called you out on what is the only 1 i disagreed with in your entire post. I agree RDM isn't a melee, I was only pointing out they have Melee gear. Its level is irrelevant as long as the stats are still amazing, and it is.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

And now we come full circle. Monster magic, pointy shoes and a scimitar does not equal pimp hat, rapier, and black/white magic.

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Blu is also a better nuker and healer than RDM, black/white magic what?

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Originally Posted by Septimus

I doubt that a cost/benefit ratio would tell them that recoding a game that is nearly a decade old is worth it. For as much as we would love FFXI to look like FFXIV (it would be amazing) or just even kind of improved graphics and archetecture, I doubt that the shareholders would consider it economically feasible, especially since the game is such a cash cow with so little money put into development costs anymore.

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haven't they done a few successful remakes of previous titles already?

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

I don't think RDM is a DD, I don't think they will ever become a DD based on SE's track record. My only argument was they have some Decent DD gear options.

Its just not enough to make them good at it. Nothing more nothing less. I feel RDM should be a Nuker/Enhancer/Enfeebler myself.

And for what its worth, Hecatomb+1 gear, augmented, is some of the best WS armor for the jobs on it. Level is irrelevant if the stats are still decent!

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http://ffxi.gamerescape.com/wiki/Goliard_Saio
vs
http://ffxi.gamerescape.com/wiki/Mavi_Mintan_%2B2
and
http://ffxi.gamerescape.com/wiki/Tantra_Cyclas_%2B2
etc etc
Also -acc makes for some good tp pants on a job with horrible acc~

rawr such good stats

w/e I don't care, don't call me ignorant when you still think we're level 75 and af3+2 doesn't exist for dd jobs

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

http://ffxi.gamerescape.com/wiki/Goliard_Saio
vs
http://ffxi.gamerescape.com/wiki/Mavi_Mintan_%2B2
and
http://ffxi.gamerescape.com/wiki/Tantra_Cyclas_%2B2
etc etc
Also -acc makes for some good tp pants on a job with horrible acc~

rawr such good stats

w/e I don't care, don't call me ignorant

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You keep comparing it to what others get...

So because WAR has a Pair of Haste+5 Feet with CritDMG+10%, Should i say DRG, DRK, and SAM aren't DD's because they don't have those feet? The Feet they get are worse in comparison, So that, by your logic, means their DD choices aren't DD choices?

Your arguments are irrelevant comparisons. One job having DD armor doesn't mean other jobs don't have DD Armor because their DD Armor isn't as good as the first jobs.

Its not a difficult concept. I'm not saying their DD armor is the best and I'm not saying they're DD. I'm saying they have DD ARMOR SELECTIONS. Other jobs choices are irrelevant in the matter and I'm not sure why they keep being brought up.

The only point i was trying to make was that they have DD armor selections. I didn't say that made them a good DD, or that their armor choices were better than what others got. Stop taking what i say out of Context and we can stop arguing.

We're basically on the same side here anyway.

Rdm with Calm trousers in best setup would be about ~11(17 without N sash) accuracy and ~15 attack under Blu while whose best body armor is Mextli harness.

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Originally Posted by Cursed

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1) No, I'm a man

2) No, I've been on Asura my whole FFXI Career. Since before CoP Release. I got plenty who can vouch for that.

Edit: I think i know who you are talking about though. I read it on FFXIAH and on BG, I wish i could dig it up, It could be some lulz. I think that chick quit a long time ago though.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

1) No, I'm a man

2) No, I've been on Asura my whole FFXI Career. Since before CoP Release. I got plenty who can vouch for that.

Edit: I think i know who you are talking about though. I read it on FFXIAH and on BG, I wish i could dig it up, It could be some lulz. I think that chick quit a long time ago though.

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ah sorry found the BG thread, it was "thesummoner" not "realsummoner"
apologies. I was hoping that chick had resurfaced... she stole my HQ staffs

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Originally Posted by Cursed

ah sorry found the BG thread, it was "thesummoner" not "realsummoner"
apologies. I was hoping that chick had resurfaced... she stole my HQ staffs

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TheSummoner, Now i do remember. Thanks for that >_> Also my In-game name is Karbuncle, the sig i have was a joke on KORPGs' sig :3

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Originally Posted by Bigboy

No. You can tell this by the fact that it get NO good WS. NO good Job Abilities. Lackluster armor choices. The list goes on. Please don't tell me that it is supposed to be something it's not. That is like arguing that humans are supposed to fly because we built planes, then jumping off a cliff and flapping your arms expecting it to work. Just because you want it to be true, and the statement doesn't sound blatantly false, doesn't make you right.

And btw, I'm not saying this just out of spite for RDM. Mine is level 90, with an Almace and everything needed to bring a strong melee game. I just know it doesn't stand up compared to say... BLU in anything. I can do most of the same debuffs (and more!) on BLU and DD better on BLU than on RDM. What makes my RDM competitive is using staves and nuking stuff down, while tossing buffs/debuffs/cures.

There is no WAR component to a RDM. You are clearly unfamiliar with the job if you think there is. It begs the question: Are you trolling people? Did you just read this forum and side with every idiot that thinks FF1 RDM has something to do with a FFX1? It's a different game. The class is not the same. They didn't intend it to be melee, and it still isn't. The day I see RDM get vorpal/sanguine/ any red proc, I will reconsider the argument, but never until then.

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Wow! Just wow...

Like I said the JOB was advertised as WHM/BLM/WAR whether SE is now scared because of a select few RDM's soloing the stronger enemies in the beginning of the game isn't my problem, this doesn't change what the job is advertised as.

The armour choices again are a SE issue, they've stopped giving RDM the light armour it could always wear and started with giving it only mage-cloth armour, even to the point of limiting it off the same armour as BLU which they used to be on.

Interesting fact: They also said they'd be adjusting Weapon Skills in a previous post about RDM.

Final note: I never said as it stood it had any WAR style DD capability, only that it's what the job was originally classed as the mixture of, with SCH being the more capable WHM/BLM mage.

Doesn't Composure give a melee Acc bonus? Just sayin.

Dusk feet and hands +1 are easy as hell to get now. I'm a broke-joke when it comes to gil, and I was able to scrape up a +1's of both. Gil is easy to get for anyone who feels like getting it. Just go to an Aby zone, get some pop items, sell them on the AH. You can make 100k from Aby-Altep easily, more if you get a Tiger King Hide from a chest. No synthing required. Re-buying Calmecac trousers asap.

Pretty much, everything on that list Karby stated above is within reach to anyone with a couple buddies. Two friends and I whooped Lacovie for a friend's Goading Belt, and I'm next on the list when I farm KI's. You can get KI's for Lacovie from chests now. Atheling Mantle is an amazing back piece, and 100% drop. You could probably find a group doing Orthrus, who would give you the item since the chances are good they all already have it. Goliard shouldn't be hard either, just do some Nyzule runs with someone who has floor access that high if you don't have access. That's next on my list.

The only snag I'm running into is the Zelus Tiara. Haven't got a lead on that yet, but between my couple of friends(and wife), we'll get ours when it's time.

Point is, between the capable Haste gear, Food for lolAccuracy, and spells like Temper(whose % scales with enhancing), and let's not forget SE has already said they have RDM in mind for the upcoming WS adjustments, I think there are plenty of valid reasons a RDM could melee something significant in the near future. Really sort of hinges on the WS adjustments, but still, we get several good Dagger WS's as is(Evisceration, Aeolian Edge, etc).

By significant, I mean something that other DD's are already melee'ing on. If it's one of those "OMFGTPMOVEGONNAKILLUSALL!!!!" mobs that not even the DD's are melee'ing on, then yeah, we're not gonna melee that(Voidwatch, some Caturae, etc).

You're a man?


Well that explains a lot.

Ok if you guys haven't figured it out yet most of the people your responding to are just trying to troll you. Add them to your ignore list and go about your business. They'll go away once they realize there's no one listening to them and nothing they can hotlink to on BG.

For RDM melee gear, that is one of my beefs. We get no "uber gear" and everything we do get is moderately easy to obtain. I'm up soon to get my Tiara and after that my "upgrade" options become rather limited. There literally isn't much left other then a Maats cap (CDC WS piece).

We got Awesome weapon's, mediocre WS choices until CDC (Evis is pretty bad a$$). Of course CDC pretty much destroys anything else we have. My highest so far is 5.6K with averages of 3K ~4K on normal mobs and 2.4~3K on NM's, really depends if TA procs or not. Outside Abyssea it really depends what I'm fighting, 2~3K on things like Fafy / Nidhog / Jormy and T4 ZNM's is common. Did the same on that T4 VNM (the Dark Dragon of death). Haven't had a chance to test it on PW, I was purely a support mage during that fight.

VWNM's would depend on which one, I've seen UF's hit for 400 before and Fudo's hit for 100. VWNM's have crazy weird damage resistances / modifiers. Sometimes you hit them really hard, sometimes they laugh in your face.

Getting spike damage out of RDM isn't hard, especially if your there for stun. Most fights these days seem to be endurance contests that focus on quickly dealing spike damage then getting away before the NM kills the DDs.

But honestly, why are people trying to predict new "content" from SE? We don't know what their going to create next, nor do we know what direction their taking things in.

As far as the idiots claiming "Abyssea is Over", well just ignore them. The best gear currently comes from Abyssea, including the best weapon and weapon skill for each job. Abyssea also produces the best XP and easier way to cap merits, should they introduce another type at 99. The only way for Abyssea to "be dead / over" is for SE to create another system that gives better gear for similar effort and more XP then Abyssea. And seeing what the drop rate on VWNM's has been like, somehow I doubt they'll be doing that anytime soon. It's possible that they could release a new expansion for PC/360/PS3 (assuming new client) only and have it contain a different continent with a completely new rewards system. But that's far in the future and none of it is pertinent to the right now. So for the time being, Abyssea is still "End Game", as much as the elitists want to hate it since it means everyone can have the shiny gear not just them.

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Originally Posted by Urteil

You're a man?


Well that explains a lot.

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Sexist against your own Sex? Shocking!

Sarcasm aside, never tried to hide it.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Sexist against your own Sex? Shocking!

Sarcasm aside, never tried to hide it.

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Is it bad when I see a Mithra I instantly think: male?

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

Is it bad when I see a Mithra I instantly think: male?

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Nah, I do too. Surprisingly, my GF is a mithra though. NO she doesn't have a penis

RL Girlfriend. We live together thats how i know >_>. I think she originally was a hume F though, Then made a new char as the mithra waaaaaaaaay back. Hume F are fhugly anyway, Mithra > all

No idea how this is relevant but idle chitchat is fun :3 Bow down to your master Hume slaves

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Originally Posted by saevel

Ok if you guys haven't figured it out yet most of the people your responding to are just trying to troll you. Add them to your ignore list and go about your business. They'll go away once they realize there's no one listening to them and nothing they can hotlink to on BG.

For RDM melee gear, that is one of my beefs. We get no "uber gear" and everything we do get is moderately easy to obtain. I'm up soon to get my Tiara and after that my "upgrade" options become rather limited. There literally isn't much left other then a Maats cap (CDC WS piece).

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You mean some of the people who also responded negatively to Shiyo because lame one-liners are lame, or the two "trolls" who briefly had a disagreement about a half-dozen posts before this one? Sorry to spoil things for you, but there's no conspiracy afoot. While I will admit to sifting through your garbage, that's just because you tossed half a sandwich yesterday and I'm kind of hungry.

It is puzzling that Red Mage vanished from a lot of the new light melee sets yet still gets spells to increase it's melee output. Similar to how Red Mage gets tons of mage gear but almost no new enfeebling, enhancing, or healing magic. I assume these phenomena are due to a weird conception of balance that non-SE minds can't wrap themselves around. Check out their feelings on Aura Steal if you really want to twist your mind into a pretzel.

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Originally Posted by saevel

As far as the idiots claiming "Abyssea is Over", well just ignore them. The best gear currently comes from Abyssea, including the best weapon and weapon skill for each job. Abyssea also produces the best XP and easier way to cap merits, should they introduce another type at 99. The only way for Abyssea to "be dead / over" is for SE to create another system that gives better gear for similar effort and more XP then Abyssea. And seeing what the drop rate on VWNM's has been like, somehow I doubt they'll be doing that anytime soon. It's possible that they could release a new expansion for PC/360/PS3 (assuming new client) only and have it contain a different continent with a completely new rewards system. But that's far in the future and none of it is pertinent to the right now. So for the time being, Abyssea is still "End Game", as much as the elitists want to hate it since it means everyone can have the shiny gear not just them.

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Your extraordinarily unpleasant tone aside, this is true enough. Abyssea will remain extremely relevant for quite some time and will be forever relevant to some extent. Dynamis is ancient, and many people were still happy about the changes that make it easier to duo/trio for coins.

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Originally Posted by Urteil

You're a man?


Well that explains a lot.

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I could dig up the context for this post, but I really like it better just hanging here in space. Somebody is a man, and that somehow clarifies things for Urteil.

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Originally Posted by SpankWustler

I could dig up the context for this post, but I really like it better just hanging here in space. Somebody is a man, and that somehow clarifies things for Urteil.

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I'm not sure what the context of this post is either. "Well that explains the penis"

Now I'm confused, What about me screamed "Man" to the point it explains a lot that i am a man. Lady Gaga?

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

I'm not sure what the context of this post is either.

Now I'm confused, What about me screamed "Man" to the point it explains a lot that i am a man.

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I was planning to say "The way you forgot to close your robe before posting this morning." but your transparent text has preemptively thwarted my lame joke. You win this round, Krabnuckle.

Mwuahahahahaha

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Originally Posted by Shiyo

Please replace temper with a job ability or job trait that enhances our enfeebles with greatly increased macc or add a new useful enfeeble(AND DONT GIVE IT TO WHM LATER WTF). Thanks~

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I'm all for this. Wouldn't it be nice to be the job that could actually silence an un-silenceable enemy. Stun an unstunable foe. Paralyze an Ice based mob. It's sad that on WHM I have no more trouble enfeebling NM's than I do on RDM. I'd take the ability to be truly a master of enfeebles over a DA magic spell any day.

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Originally Posted by Mirabelle

I'm all for this. Wouldn't it be nice to be the job that could actually silence an un-silenceable enemy. Stun an unstunable foe. Paralyze an Ice based mob. It's sad that on WHM I have no more trouble enfeebling NM's than I do on RDM. I'd take the ability to be truly a master of enfeebles over a DA magic spell any day.

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Relax, Temper isn't the only thing we're getting before 99.

man.. this is boring.. the rdm forums have about 300 pages of the PRETTY MUCH the same 2 things being screamed back and forth.. i don't post all that often but i do read it all.. man that shiyo really is annoying huh?

btw, I have a zelus tiara on MY rdm shiyo.. but why don't you scream harder about what i can and can't do... you know, again...

I got a zeal tiara myself, from a pickup group actually, someone tried to brew panty, failed, killed, popped in pool, and lead went "ALL FREELOT" and i lotted a 943 in a 16 man alliance. All in all, a good day.

i got mine with my ls, first dibs actually.

for all the lolmeleerdm that flies around, most normal players understand quid pro quo. if you helped the ls, and earned X item, they'll help you get it. regardless of what job you're gonna use it on.

they helped me with almace to.. granted it was like the sixth emp we did, and i had a hand in all the previous 5.. but that's just paying your dues. doesn't matter what job you are.

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Originally Posted by Doombringer

i got mine with my ls, first dibs actually.

for all the lolmeleerdm that flies around, most normal players understand quid pro quo. if you helped the ls, and earned X item, they'll help you get it. regardless of what job you're gonna use it on.

they helped me with almace to.. granted it was like the sixth emp we did, and i had a hand in all the previous 5.. but that's just paying your dues. doesn't matter what job you are.

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You've got a decent linkshell then, that's rare.

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Originally Posted by Doombringer

i got mine with my ls, first dibs actually.

for all the lolmeleerdm that flies around, most normal players understand quid pro quo. if you helped the ls, and earned X item, they'll help you get it. regardless of what job you're gonna use it on.

they helped me with almace to.. granted it was like the sixth emp we did, and i had a hand in all the previous 5.. but that's just paying your dues. doesn't matter what job you are.

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Same here, shell did my Almace and most of my AF+2 for RDM / BLU with WAR / DRK / PLD / SAM on free lot. We got just about everyone an Emp now. That was our goal so that we start new content with everyone maxed out.

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Originally Posted by saevel

Ok if you guys haven't figured it out yet most of the people your responding to are just trying to troll you. Add them to your ignore list and go about your business. They'll go away once they realize there's no one listening to them and nothing they can hotlink to on BG.

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As far as the idiots claiming "Abyssea is Over", well just ignore them. The best gear currently comes from Abyssea, including the best weapon and weapon skill for each job. Abyssea also produces the best XP and easier way to cap merits, should they introduce another type at 99. The only way for Abyssea to "be dead / over" is for SE to create another system that gives better gear for similar effort and more XP then Abyssea. And seeing what the drop rate on VWNM's has been like, somehow I doubt they'll be doing that anytime soon. It's possible that they could release a new expansion for PC/360/PS3 (assuming new client) only and have it contain a different continent with a completely new rewards system. But that's far in the future and none of it is pertinent to the right now. So for the time being, Abyssea is still "End Game", as much as the elitists want to hate it since it means everyone can have the shiny gear not just them.

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And this is what is wrong with the internet. So many people are unable to discern between people who disagree with them and people who are trolling them. Just because someone has a differing opinion than yours does not mean that he/she is a troll, he/she may just have a differing opinion.

Abyssea is over. There are not going to be new Abyssea zones and it is highly unlikely that there will be new NMs and gear added to it for the foreseeable future. They will probably make some more adjustments to it, but new gear is going to come from someplace else. Does that mean that Abyssea is going away? No. It has great gear, lots of XP, and is the most fun added to FFXI in pretty much ever. But Sky and Land Kings didn't go away when Dynamis was added, Dynamis didn't go away when Limbus was added, Limbus didn't go away when Jailers were added, Jailers didn't go away when Salvage was added, Salvage didn't go away when Einherjar was added, Einherjar didn't go away when ZNM was added, ZNM didn't go away when Stronghold Invasion was added, Stronghold Invasion didn't go away when VNM was added.

Over doesn't mean forgotten, Dynamis has been practically unchanged since I started doing it way back before CoP, but it got a complete overhaul making it into a much more fun event. Maybe sometime down the line Abyssea will get a facelift, not that it really needs it, but for now the focus of the game has shifted elsewhere. People have to get past the mindset that Abyssea is the end-all-be-all of end-game and that how we play in Abyssea is how the rest of the game works. It is highly unlikely that those "best weapon and weapon skill for each job" (most BSTs are going to disagree with you there) are going to get their upgrades from Abyssea anymore. Why? Because Square has new content that they want to make us do and keeping us doing old content, even if it is fun and rewarding, is not going to make us do new content.

So once more I do my Cassandra routine, Abyssea is over (although it is not going to go away any time soon), Voidwatch is the face of the future. Ignore it at your own peril.

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I shall repost this whenever someone calls someone a troll.

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Originally Posted by Doombringer

i got mine with my ls, first dibs actually.

for all the lolmeleerdm that flies around, most normal players understand quid pro quo. if you helped the ls, and earned X item, they'll help you get it. regardless of what job you're gonna use it on.

they helped me with almace to.. granted it was like the sixth emp we did, and i had a hand in all the previous 5.. but that's just paying your dues. doesn't matter what job you are.

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It's good to hear about a positive experience for once. For all the rhetoric that so many people spout on here, I'd like to think this is the case with most groups nowadays. One of the advantages of FFXI being an older game is that things are far more chilled out now, so mentality seems to have shifted towards getting your bros and bro-ettes stuff they'll enjoy even if that stuff isn't going to make the group more efficient.

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Originally Posted by Septimus

So once more I do my Cassandra routine, Abyssea is over (although it is not going to go away any time soon), Voidwatch is the face of the future. Ignore it at your own peril.

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I imagine you waking up with this vision late one night, soaked by a cold sweat. You shot out of bed, called your closest friend, and said in a sad monoton, "I see a Riftworn Pyxis. It contains two Ebony Logs and one Gold Ore. A Galka is standing beside it. He is staring at the contents. He is crying."

If the Japanese .dats from the test server are any indication, you're 200% right. Some of the upcoming equipment is amazing, and I'd bet both left and right moobs that most of it comes from VoidWatch.

Gear from voidwatch might as well not exist at all. It basically doesn't exist in my mind, I pretend anything from voidwatch that I can't buy off the AH isn't actually in the game, it's too rare/random to get, horrible design.

Wonder how you survived in salvage if you think Voidwatch drop rates are bad ... o.o

Finished usu boots(only usu piece I wanted) in less than a week. Voidwatch drops are completely random and as rare as salvage drops, watching people who have bard at level1 get the harp off the harpy or other retarded things is just ........

Words cannot describe how badly designed the loot system is.