Comet/Meteor

Aqua, Ear, Ignis, etc are supposed to be the tier II to Burn, Choke, Rasp, etc. (Or so I have been told)

i know this is a bit off topic but sch does really need major damage dealing although a few extra spells would be nice it needs tier 5 cure for one, might actually make sch useful in abyssea

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Originally Posted by Korpg

wait, SCH wants to be the ultimate enfeebler too?

Aren't satisfied with just WHM and BLM, now you want RDM's job too?

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I'm surprised you don't remember it taking all decent roles from SMN already. Like phalanxga and stoneskinga or for fun, enthunderga. Of course it does mean SCH is bound to RDM sub to steal the SMN roles.

But as far as I know, no SMN cares about anything else than level 70 pacts anyway, so they could steal a lot more from it.

It would be kind of hilarious if SCH could sub SMN and get access to Odin and Alexander from Tabula rasa though. Like some kind of ultimate "all mages in one" job.

I hope sch gets their own unique spells, not just copies of things that blm or whm has....and ultima shouldn't go to a hybrid mage, it should go to a pure mage, cuz having the most powerful magic is what the benefit of not hybridizing is

PS. Krab, I liked FF8 too...gameplay and graphics were so-so, but it's one of my favorite storylines of all the ff's :)

wasn't carbuncle Smn's original 2hour?

ff8 was awesome ^^

and guess i'll finish leveling blm for these spells :] i wonder if blm pup will get em

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Originally Posted by Defiledsickness

wasn't carbuncle Smn's original 2hour?

ff8 was awesome ^^

and guess i'll finish leveling blm for these spells :] i wonder if blm pup will get em

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I don't think they will... but at the same time I wouldn't 100% rule it out.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Anyone who disagrees with you is trolling? So, by that extent, you are trolling me now!

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I don't recall you disagreeing with me. You asked an inane question about me wanting all of RDMs spells because I mused that we might be getting a unique enfeeble.

That either makes you a troll or a failure at inductive reasoning. Either way it doesnt really matter to me.

P.S. Go ahead and call me a hypocrite for responding to you even though I said I wouldnt.

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Originally Posted by Raksha

I don't recall you disagreeing with me. You asked an inane question about me wanting all of RDMs spells because I mused that we might be getting a unique enfeeble.

That either makes you a troll or a failure at inductive reasoning. Either way it doesnt really matter to me.

P.S. Go ahead and call me a hypocrite for responding to you even though I said I wouldnt.

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You were the one who was talking about enfeebling magic, figured you wanted RDM's job also.

How about BLU? Might as well take all the jobs with "Mage" on the title of it.

I'm just amazed that you want to take over specific roles that bad. Just saying.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

You were the one who was talking about enfeebling magic, figured you wanted RDM's job also.

How about BLU? Might as well take all the jobs with "Mage" on the title of it.

I'm just amazed that you want to take over specific roles that bad. Just saying.

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Just to humor you, SCH has a native enfeebling skill, if getting an enfeebling spell that can only be cast once every two hours means we are taking over RDMs role then it must not be much of a role to begin with.

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Originally Posted by Raksha

Just to humor you, SCH has a native enfeebling skill, if getting an enfeebling spell that can only be cast once every two hours means we are taking over RDMs role then it must not be much of a role to begin with.

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Native Enfeebling skill of what, D?

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Native Enfeebling skill of what, D?

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B+ actually, since you should always be in either Light or Dark Arts.

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Natively, SCHs have D in like...everything. Only when they use a job ability does it get a boost. So natively, it's D.

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B+ actually, since you should always be in either Light or Dark Arts.

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With help, you got B+ skill.

Native, you got D skill. Lets hope you don't get dispeled.

Raxiaz beat me to it though.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

With help, you got B+ skill.

Native, you got D skill. Lets hope you don't get dispeled.

Raxiaz beat me to it though.

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Light/Dark Arts can't be dispelled.

Also Saying Native skill of D is a meaningless statistic. It's like saying a naked 90war/sam has native ~45 attack (STR/2). (EDIT: Just so we're clear, a WAR with 0 H2H skill)

No one cares what a WARs attack is without a weapon.

Also ALL of SCHs native skills are D without any arts, so what? We didn't seem to have any trouble 'taking over WHMs and BLMs roles' with it back at lvl75.

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Actually, I didn't know about the non-dispel thingy. But point still stands, you need to have something in effect in order for you to actually have a B+ on anything.

Also, WAR has native H2H skill. Just thought you would like to know. I believe it is a D rating also.

Besides, B+ enfeebling kindof sucks, specially when you don't have the gear to back it up on anything important.

Magic Accuracy ring a bell?

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Actually, I didn't know about the non-dispel thingy.

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Seems to be a theme.

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But point still stands, you need to have something in effect in order for you to actually have a B+ on anything.

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Irrelevant.

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Also, WAR has native H2H skill. Just thought you would like to know. I believe it is a D rating also.

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Yeah I considered changing it to DRG/SAM or DRK/SAM or something, but figured i'd leave it be. Point still stands that weaponless attack value is a meaningless statistic.

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Besides, B+ enfeebling kindof sucks, specially when you don't have the gear to back it up on anything important.

Magic Accuracy ring a bell?

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What, Like these?:
http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Savant's_Pants_Plus_2
http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Savant's_Gown_Plus_2
http://wiki.bluegartr.com/bg/Avesta_Bangles

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I'm sure they are going to be nice spells but I'd like to know if we can get the same epic range Meteor is known to have, roughly 30 yalms ?

I'm beginning to wonder if Summoner is getting Comet/Meteor at the rate of this thread...

Oh no wait, it's Black Mage. What is Summoner doing here again...?

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In case you missed it, there was already a 100+ page thread about melee SMN.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...t=lack+utility

I know you're not going to read it, but all of the dudes you are arguing with have already gone 10 rounds on this issue so they have short fuses.

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Originally Posted by Zyeriis

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Wasn't your question on the first post answered? Comet will go to BLM, and Meteor will also.

back on topic, can we hear more about the spell list please, SE?

Even better, what is Brave(?) and what's it do.

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Originally Posted by OMEGA_HACK

back on topic, can we hear more about the spell list please, SE?

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More? How about to start with?

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More? How about to start with?

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Yes, I'm very interested in what spells SCH will receive. Meh, I'm going to be nice here and edit that sentence out.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Even better, what is Brave(?) and what's it do.

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My guess is Physical Damage taken down and Physical Damage given up.

Faith would be the same thing, but for Mages (MDT-/MDG+)

http://www.ffextreme.com/ff12/magicks.html

Down a bit. Green Magicks.

Increases one ally's physical attack damage by 30%!

ITS GONNA BE THAT BIG IN FFXI TOO. fo sho.

Saying Squall dies doesn't really spoil the game because it's down to your own interpretation as to whether he dies or not.

It's not like I said Tidus dies or anything... oh whoops.

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http://www.ffextreme.com/ff12/magicks.html

Down a bit. Green Magicks.

Increases one ally's physical attack damage by 30%!

ITS GONNA BE THAT BIG IN FFXI TOO. fo sho.

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You know, I was thinking about FFT with Brave/Faith.

But I forgot, with Faith, the higher the number, the more damage you take from spells (also more HP recovered from cure) but the opposite is true.

Whatever it is, I'm looking forward to it if WHM can cast it.

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I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner. Glad the thread isn't closed though.

Is it because on Monday, Camate is gonna have some juicy information for us!?

(I sure hope so!)

I doubt it, usually there is more hype than this.

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I'm surprised you don't remember it taking all decent roles from SMN already. Like phalanxga and stoneskinga or for fun, enthunderga. Of course it does mean SCH is bound to RDM sub to steal the SMN roles.

But as far as I know, no SMN cares about anything else than level 70 pacts anyway, so they could steal a lot more from it.

It would be kind of hilarious if SCH could sub SMN and get access to Odin and Alexander from Tabula rasa though. Like some kind of ultimate "all mages in one" job.

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I'm glad to hear about Meteor and Comet. BLM and SCH are my two favorite jobs.

BTW: SMNs should all be so grateful that Abyssea lets any sort of job in. It's not a useful job, but at least its. . . fun? Maybe?

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I'm from the planet where people who play MMORPGs, actually you know. . . play with other people, not solo. And of course they're the best soloers in the game--gotta adapt because nobody wants them in their parties.

But it's fine. Solo all you want. Would rather not deal with people like you in my alliances. While you're off soloing trivial NMs and mobs, I'll be busy actually contributing something.

The fact that other jobs can cover every single buff SMN has to offer just shows the complete lack of direction for that job.


I love SMN, but it's been the red-headed step child of XI since it's inception.

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I'm from the planet where people who play MMORPGs, actually you know. . . play with other people, not solo. And of course they're the best soloers in the game--gotta adapt because nobody wants them in their parties.

But it's fine. Solo all you want. Would rather not deal with people like you in my alliances. While you're off soloing trivial NMs and mobs, I'll be busy actually contributing something.

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I was never aware that MMORPGs required every waking moment to be with a group of other players. Hmm. Why is it I don't logged in already grouped up with other players?

And you're not contributing anything but pointless hate spew. :/

I'd love to see updates to summoner but this really isn't the topic for it. Unless SMN is also getting Meteor/Comet. That'd actually be kind of awesome.

He has a point. There should be a solo aspect of SMN and a team aspect of SMN too

As it is now, there's not much you can do in a team as SMN but cure and give half-assed buffs.

@Meyi Okay, to be fair, I'm only picking on SMN because Kporg won't shut the hell up.

That being said, saying that SMN is the best soloist in the game doesn't mean much, and should not be one's main argument for why SMN is a relevant/useful job. Sure there are plenty of things you can do solo, but there's no denying that the crux of this game revolves around group work.

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He has a point. There should be a solo aspect of SMN and a team aspect of SMN too

As it is now, there's not much you can do in a team as SMN but cure and give half-assed buffs.

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Hastega on a 90 SMN is BETTER than Haste (it lasts 2 min longer with capped Summoning Magic), magic attack and defense as well as evasion and accuracy buffs, you can give monsters pretty big attack down and evasion down debuffs. But this isn't a Summoner thread so I won't go into much detail, Summoner has been and currently is a pretty big supporting job in a party situation (not to mention the actual avatar offensive abilities are pretty strong if you can play the job correctly).

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Hastega on a 90 SMN is BETTER than Haste (it lasts 2 min longer with capped Summoning Magic), magic attack and defense as well as evasion and accuracy buffs, you can give monsters pretty big attack down and evasion down debuffs. But this isn't a Summoner thread so I won't go into much detail, Summoner has been and currently is a pretty big supporting job in a party situation (not to mention the actual avatar offensive abilities are pretty strong if you can play the job correctly).

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Oh SMN gets haste?

But I have a WHM that can do that AND actually cure well
Magic Attack? Does it make them worth having over another BLM that can stun/sleep/nuke?
Evasion is easily capped by evasion tanks.
Accuracy is COMPLETELY useless after cap, which everyone with skill should be at.
Attack down?! Does it stack with Angon? Dia?
Evasion down: See Accuracy

Supporting job, worse than all others. WHM RDM COR BRD, specially BRD, are all better, and by far.