Why Do You Loose Claim On Abyssea Mobs If Everyone Is Not Dead?

I think most monsters (pretty much everything but Rani and Raja) should automatically unclaim every 15 minutes and stay unclaimed for 30 seconds. You kill too slow? You lose your monster. It would be as effective as a rage timer during times of competition, but let less skilled players still kill things lowman during slow playtimes.

The last thing we need are more THF/NINs stacking Regen Atmas and waiting for things to die.

And no, I'm not concerned with alliances that are Apoc zombieing something (wasting everyone's time) and lose claim on it. The claim system is exactly as rog explained it, in my experience. Wait for someone else to make an action on the monster before you disband, disengage, etc., or it'll go unclaimed to your alliance. Nuking Tiamat in the air way-back-when and disbanding exactly as my nuke hit always had this effect too. You could use it to steal drops from your alliance if you were dickish enough about it.

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Originally Posted by Byrth

I think most monsters (pretty much everything but Rani and Raja) should automatically unclaim every 15 minutes and stay unclaimed for 30 seconds. You kill too slow? You lose your monster. It would be as effective as a rage timer during times of competition, but let less skilled players still kill things lowman during slow playtimes.

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That is kind of an amazing solution to rage.

I have always hated the rage system because it could potentially make soloing impossible, but such a system would allow anyone to kill anything at any speed they can/want, and as long as no one else is around to be bothered by it, they would not have a problem. And if no one is around, then who cares how long it takes them?

the thing is, I've seen claim lost even if it has DoT or a debuff on it, and that should NOT be the case. One of the primary uses for DoT/debuff is to keep claim. After all, you can most certainly use them to GET claim, I used to brd/rdm all the time to pull mage mobs with silence, or solo pull whm with para, etc. That does not work in Abyssea.

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Originally Posted by Glamdring

the thing is, I've seen claim lost even if it has DoT or a debuff on it, and that should NOT be the case. One of the primary uses for DoT/debuff is to keep claim. After all, you can most certainly use them to GET claim, I used to brd/rdm all the time to pull mage mobs with silence, or solo pull whm with para, etc. That does not work in Abyssea.

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It doesn't necessarily work outside of abyssea either.

I've never seen claim lost outside Aby on an NM with an active DoT/Debuff effect. I do remember there was something done to keep HNMLS from just kiting their NM until the rest of the shell showed up. but I thought that was the rage system, to kill the kiter, I don't recall anything about losing claim. Granted, I never had any interest in HNMLS-type play so I never looked into it that much other than to laugh at monopolizers getting their just deserts when the announcement was made.

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Originally Posted by Glamdring

the thing is, I've seen claim lost even if it has DoT or a debuff on it, and that should NOT be the case. One of the primary uses for DoT/debuff is to keep claim.

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lolwut? Having a debuff on a mob has no bearing on claim, and it never has. Read my previous posts. There are exactly three things that can cause a mob to unclaim, and those three things will ALWAYS cause a mob to unclaim, no exceptions.

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Originally Posted by rog

No, i just think there are better ways to fix the problem without creating more problems.

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How is it creating more problems by allowing a mob to stay claimed to a party until everyone is dead or zoned out? That makes absolutely no sense what you just said.

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Originally Posted by Glamdring

I've never seen claim lost outside Aby on an NM with an active DoT/Debuff effect. I do remember there was something done to keep HNMLS from just kiting their NM until the rest of the shell showed up. but I thought that was the rage system, to kill the kiter, I don't recall anything about losing claim. Granted, I never had any interest in HNMLS-type play so I never looked into it that much other than to laugh at monopolizers getting their just deserts when the announcement was made.

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If i had a joyeuse for every time i have lost claim on charby while soloing it with 2-4 debuffs on it, i would have about twice as many joyeuses as i have gotten before.

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Originally Posted by rog

And if they do not have the will to fight? What if they want to give it up to someone else, without dying? They just have to die? What you are suggesting is not "pretty much impossible", it is entirely 100% impossible, even when someone WANTS to unclaim a mob.

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They home point or leave the zone... It's not hard.

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Originally Posted by svengalis

How is it creating more problems by allowing a mob to stay claimed to a party until everyone is dead or zoned out? That makes absolutely no sense.

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You do not see why it would be a problem for it to be completely impossible to unclaim a mob without dying/zoning?