[dev1010] Dark Knight's Adjustments

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Originally Posted by Jar

Dancing edge > evi

DE has higher mods and Ftp....

KJ is in the same boat having better Ftp and mods....

im glad you like to crit and shit but without the +30% crit damage they are behind the weaponskills ppl used before abyssea..

ppl used them over the other weaponskill for a reason...

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Dancing Edge does have higher mods, However Evisc can crit, and will Average higher numbers. Especially with the 5% Crit job trait, Loki's Kaftan, and the Tathlum with Critdmg+3%. It pulls ahead in average with proper gear. Before Abyssea it was worse, but only by a little because of the randomness of Crit. Now we have more Crit+ gear, and CritDMG+Gear, it pulls ahead.

Raging rush has always been better than KJ since before abyssea, it was always a close call, but due to RR's Crit ability it came ahead unless you had Mighty Strikes up. It was again, Very close call, but RR usually averaged bigger number.

Before Abyssea though, yeah, DE was better than EV, Afterwards we have new job traits and gear that make Evisc pull ahead.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Intelligible conversation yet alludes you.

Are you now saying basically "They'll suck in the future because of this VIT-Crit.dmg Nerf"? The one we know nothing about? If so I can see where you're coming from. It worries me as well.

Somehow I still cling to hoping It won't nerf too hard, Or be a nerf at all, and just Effect players (Similar to "Fencer"). Or Perhaps further than it won't be as big as a Nerf as we think.

Or were you speaking of something else?

Either way, Probably better off with your best WS not being Crit based if thats the case. However WAR has KJ to fall on, and THF has Dancing Edge, DRG has Penta. Feel sorry for Rampage, So if you just had Crossreaper Crit'd, you still have Insurgency/Guil to fall back on!

Bright sides to everything.

I hope this isnt a nerf.

Edit: And you never answered my First Question. We're you just being a retard "Bandwagon Abyssea hater" Assuming that i was speaking only on behalf of Abyssea or implying i was "Abyssea bred" in regards to how Critical hit Weaponskills can be powerful inside or outside, Especially in this era of armor with a lot of Crit-Dmg+Gear and now Job Traits, That they are more powerful than they once were. That someone I didn't know what life is like outside Abyssea? You just confused me :(

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if i hated abyssea i would have quit.

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Originally Posted by Jar

if i hated abyssea i would have quit.

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Lol yeah probably, a lot of people did. Also i made another post above you.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Lol, Oh god. I just. Wow.

Dancing Edge does have higher mods, However Evisc can crit, and will Average higher numbers. Especially with the 5% Crit job trait, Loki's Kaftan, and the Tathlum with Critdmg+3%.

Raging rush has always been better than KJ since before abyssea, it was always a close call, but due to RR's Crit ability it came ahead unless you had Mighty Strikes up.

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KJ is 1.0|1.25|1.5 fTP 50% STR
RR is 1Ftp 35% str...

with out the +30% KJ wins.... because crit rate is only 34% at 100% tp (not counting gear) ........

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Originally Posted by Jar

KJ is 1.0|1.25|1.5 fTP 50% STR
RR is 1Ftp 35% str...

with out the +30% KJ wins.... because crit rate is only 34% at 100% tp (not counting gear) ........

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You shouldn't be storing to 300% TP for 1 Weaponskill, So lets make a more fair comparison

100% TP KJ vs
100% TP RR

100%TP KJ
ftp 1.0 mods 50% STR. Cannot Crit.

100%TP RR
fTP 1.0 mods 35% STR. Can crit.

Raging Rush wins. If you're @ 300% TP, It'd be close, Probably favor Kings justice. But you really shouldn't ever be saving to 300% Tp.

15% more of your STR added to Weapon base damage isn't going to make up for the damage gained from even 1 Critical hit on Raging Rush. Especially with the current Gear Available to WARs for this Weaponskill.

Edit: I should say, "on average". If you don't land a Crit in RR, KJ Will outperform Obviously, Its the Critical hits that make it average higher. After Gear WARs can get respectable Critical Hit Rate on Raging Rush. So i do understand where you're coming from. But if you gear correctly RR will always > KJ, Most WAR's have separate gear sets for RR and KJ for that reason. RR focusing more on increase Critical hit Rate/Dmg, for KJ pure Dmg.

As for THF and Evisc, The Mods are close, but the 30%CHR mod before Abyssea made DE win most of the time. However since level 90 with Loki's Kaftan, a lot more Crit+ Armor (THF legs mainly amongst other things), the Tathlum, Cavaros Mantle (Questionable) and the Job Trait, Evisceration has really pulled ahead.

I think realistically THF Can get somewhere in the ballpark of ~23% Crit hit damage outside Abyssea. also you can ask a good amount of THFs, IF you had X's Knife back in the day, Evisc Won at 75.

DE is still a great WS, But on Average Evisc wins. Its a close call.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

You shouldn't be storing to 300% TP for 1 Weaponskill, So lets make a more fair comparison

100% TP KJ vs
100% TP RR

100%TP KJ
ftp 1.0 mods 50% STR. Cannot Crit.

100%TP RR
fTP 1.0 mods 35% STR. Can crit.

Raging Rush wins. If you're @ 300% TP, It'd be close, Probably favor Kings justice. But you really shouldn't ever be saving to 300% Tp.

15% more of your STR added to Weapon base damage isn't going to make up for the damage gained from even 1 Critical hit on Raging Rush. Especially with the current Gear Available to WARs for this Weaponskill.

Edit: I should say, "on average". If you don't land a Crit in RR, KJ Will outperform Obviously, Its the Critical hits that make it average higher. After Gear WARs can get respectable Critical Hit Rate on Raging Rush. So i do understand where you're coming from. But if you gear correctly RR will always > KJ, Most WAR's have separate gear sets for RR and KJ for that reason. RR focusing more on increase Critical hit Rate/Dmg, for KJ pure Dmg.

As for THF and Evisc, The Mods are close, but the 30%CHR mod before Abyssea made DE win most of the time. However since level 90 with Loki's Kaftan, a lot more Crit+ Armor (THF legs mainly amongst other things), the Tathlum, Cavaros Mantle (Questionable) and the Job Trait, Evisceration has really pulled ahead.

I think realistically THF Can get somewhere in the ballpark of ~23% Crit hit damage outside Abyssea. also you can ask a good amount of THFs, IF you had X's Knife back in the day, Evisc Won at 75.

DE is still a great WS, But on Average Evisc wins. Its a close call.

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I can agree with the THF part but still not seeing how wars lackluster crits (not with blood rage up) would pull ahead of the extra 15% str

Had to check forum title then to make sure i was still in the DRK Forum

im confused.
25% LR, 25% gear haste, =50% haste,
where is the other 30% coming from?

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Originally Posted by JovialRat

im confused.
25% LR, 25% gear haste, =50% haste,
where is the other 30% coming from?

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haste spell and march from a bard

In all seriousness, I might not really like Karbuncle at all, but I'm pretty fucking sure I could remain in the same room with them and actually share a meal.


I hardly want to be on the same planet as Jar.