Utilizing Myrkr for Magic Blood pacts.

SMN does get some good Melee Gear, Though most people overlook it. They also have great WS Gear cause 90% Of Staff WS are MND/INT modded.

Really, Let me show you guys something surprising. With this set up: http://www.ffxiah.com/members/item-sets?id=206905

I can get Haste+22% on SMN. (+3 Augm Shantoto pants). Thats 3.?% from Cap. Thats pretty respectable. on top of the SMN/SAM can become a decent DD. I'm not delusional enough to think it'll out-DD a conventional DD, But if you're going to advocate using Hvel to keep Avatars out, I'm saying its possible to do it. However, the solution is not a Slow+25% Atma.

And as for Avatars Meleeing and the whole TP Feed thing... I"m sorry but thats a Terrible argument in this era of the game. Mages have nearly infinite MP, If your Tanks/Etc are dying because of 1 Avatar Meleeing, You have a terrible LS/Group/Team. There are probably less than a handful of mobs where it would be absolutely necessary to keep Avatars off. Of them i can think of the Imp in Uleg, any mob with a 1-hit-KO Move (if you're stunners aren't ready), etc. but those are in the massive Minority when it comes to NMs.

SMN has decent access to Melee gear, and has the ability to get above 20% Haste. It'll take time, But it can be achieved. I don't condone doing this on Everything, But if you're getting a Hvelm, you should at least look to Utilize both your Avatar, and the Staff to its fullest.

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And as for Avatars Meleeing and the whole TP Feed thing... I"m sorry but thats a Terrible argument in this era of the game. Mages have nearly infinite MP, If your Tanks/Etc are dying because of 1 Avatar Meleeing, You have a terrible LS/Group/Team.

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I'm more concerned about any increased rate of TP attacks while proc'ing weakness. Yellow !! is especially irritating due to recast on various spells (1000 Needles, Ancient magic, etc).

Although, most of our healer classes are secondary character's to persons in our linkshell. It doesn't pose a problem, but curing ain't always what its cracked up to be when you'd rather be Blood pact'ing away and melee'ing junk! :P

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And as for Avatars Meleeing and the whole TP Feed thing... I"m sorry but thats a Terrible argument in this era of the game. Mages have nearly infinite MP, If your Tanks/Etc are dying because of 1 Avatar Meleeing, You have a terrible LS/Group/Team.


I'm more concerned about any increased rate of TP attacks while proc'ing weakness. Yellow !! is especially irritating due to recast on various spells (1000 Needles, Ancient magic, etc).

Although, most of our healer classes are secondary character's to persons in our linkshell. It doesn't pose a problem, but curing ain't always what its cracked up to be when you'd rather be Blood pact'ing away and melee'ing junk! :P

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Of course! I had only assumed that would be obvious :P

You'd wait to go all out until triggers were proc'd (like other DDs ^_~)

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Remember, I'm not here to preach about how you should play the job. I am offering a solution to make Myrkr be it WoE or Emperyan based more useful. Optimizing Atma's for a weapon you probably spent a bit of time working to make is all I aimed to accomplish here! :D

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I like this...for your opinion and for everything else it stands for, some people get so bent out of shape if u post an "idea" and if its not the way "they" would play the job...and no doubt summoner job has this more than any other job, they toss a hissy fit.

I've always hoped for the avatar using TP to trigger the weapon in some cases, mainly for Dangerous AoE fights. I'm sure this is kinda unreasonable but just a thought I always had when Mythics hit ffxi.

I think that the OP wants some justifications in getting an Emp Staff.

Karbuncle pretty much said what needs to be said (second part, not just the first part)

So just got Hvergelmir yesterday, tried out smn/sam with relatively decent melee gear inside of abyssea. I'll add that I was solo, and I hate it. Pull hate off my damn pet nearly right away! :P

I've come to prefer my set up, its nearly impossible to use as much mp just blood pacting that myrkr can restore. So it gives me ample time to do more fun weapon skills such as Cataclysm or Garland of Blyss. Both are amplified in strength due to the MAB atmas, so it makes for awesome amber building stuff. The regen during the day time is an awesome touch as well. 300% myrkr + elemental siphon restore a grand total of 1700 mp for me yesterday from practically 0 mp.

All in all, I'm a huge fan! Get moar emp staves!!

(btw the remove ailments as far as i can tell will remove anything that wouldn't stop u from using tp attacks. and so far its removed everything inflicted on me! Trying to get hit by bad breath and test its real limits :P)

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Originally Posted by Cett

So just got Hvergelmir yesterday, tried out smn/sam with relatively decent melee gear inside of abyssea. I'll add that I was solo, and I hate it. Pull hate off my damn pet nearly right away! :P

I've come to prefer my set up, its nearly impossible to use as much mp just blood pacting that myrkr can restore. So it gives me ample time to do more fun weapon skills such as Cataclysm or Garland of Blyss. Both are amplified in strength due to the MAB atmas, so it makes for awesome amber building stuff. The regen during the day time is an awesome touch as well. 300% myrkr + elemental siphon restore a grand total of 1700 mp for me yesterday from practically 0 mp.

All in all, I'm a huge fan! Get moar emp staves!!

(btw the remove ailments as far as i can tell will remove anything that wouldn't stop u from using tp attacks. and so far its removed everything inflicted on me! Trying to get hit by bad breath and test its real limits :P)

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What was your Set up? I missed it too lazy to look back >.>

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What was your Set up? I missed it too lazy to look back >.>

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Atma of the Sea Daughter Regen 30hp/tic(day only), 15~25% slow not sure, 5 tp/tic
Atma of the Ultimate mp -25%, MaB +50, Macc +50
Atma of Beyond MaB +30, Ice dmg +30, Light Dmg +30.

Beyond helps buff Garland of Bliss, both master and pet get tp, regen helps pets survivability, slow sucks but we'll get over it, Macc and MAB for everything else. ;D

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(btw the remove ailments as far as i can tell will remove anything that wouldn't stop u from using tp attacks. and so far its removed everything inflicted on me! Trying to get hit by bad breath and test its real limits :P)

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You can't remove more than 3 status ailments at once with it and it doesn't seem to work on Doom, Mute or Super Curse but it's still a pretty nice bonus. (I have Hvergelmir lvl 90)

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Atma of the Sea Daughter Regen 30hp/tic(day only), 15~25% slow not sure, 5 tp/tic
Atma of the Ultimate mp -25%, MaB +50, Macc +50
Atma of Beyond MaB +30, Ice dmg +30, Light Dmg +30.

Beyond helps buff Garland of Bliss, both master and pet get tp, regen helps pets survivability, slow sucks but we'll get over it, Macc and MAB for everything else. ;D

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Ah. If i got that Staff I'd never tough a Slow+25% Atma especially if i planned to full melee :\

But if it worked for you, w00t