HNMs and the future of FFXI

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

be any better?

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Think you missed my point a little there. It wouldn't be any better. It's just a shit situation all around. SE are neglecting the game that made their name in MMOs and pumping resources into a game that's already failed once.

I was summing up that no matter what SE do now, it's not enough.

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Originally Posted by newmonkey

Return of the hnms yes please come on se give people other than the vocal casual people on here content we want.

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I'm not a "vocal casual people." As I said before I've been through almost all the HNMs in this game countless times. I was in an endgame linkshell for several years before it broke. You're under the false impression that everyone who doesn't want this is a "casual."

You don't need multi-day spawn timers, half hour spawn windows and drama to have challenging content that's not for the casual player.

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Originally Posted by newmonkey

Return of the hnms yes please come on se give people other than the vocal casual people on here content we want.

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There's plenty of content for non-casuals to do. Heck I would say the most recent content caters more toward hardcores than casuals. They just did away with the archaic timed spawn system. You still have some of what you're asking for, just not that aspect of it.

Hey trust me, I understand. While timed HNM is not one them, there are things of the past I wish still existed or were still popular. At some point you just have to accept that things change, tastes change, life goes on, the world doesn't revolve around you, and <insert whatever cliche you want here>.

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Originally Posted by Spiritreaver

What i don't get is all you ppl who talk about the game being on 'easy mode' now. Now you'll prolly just say my following suggestion is <insert derisive adjective here>, but so be it.

No Atma. No cruore buffs. No intentional trying for procs. No use of temps. No popping chests? Sounds pretty hardcore to me. When you enter Abyssea, you are not forced to get anything other than time. Well, what do you think Habu? Care to give it a try? Care to find 17 other ppl that want to give it a shot?

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Ok I just tried this with the pops that I had on me. I 4 man'd Glavoid, Ecc Eve, Bria, Itzapop and the Iron Giant in Altepa. It was a little harder I'll give you that but I don't cherish the thought of intentionally gimping myself to make stuff harder. Next you'll tell me do fight them naked or without a weapon.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

You said that there's no difference in sitting in Jeuno waiting for a shout and sitting in Aery waiting for a spawn. If there's no difference then you shouldn't have a problem sitting in Jeuno waiting for a shout. That's how the point can be turned back on you.

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I was saying there's no difference in the time you spend waiting not that there's no difference between the content you do after said wait time. So once again I don't really see how this could be turned against me.

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Do or don't is pretty lame as options go.

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Isn't that the way with every piece of content in this game? Either you do it or you don't lol.

To the comments about Legion being the new hard content that is supposed to satisfy as real endgame, it's not. It doesn't take anytime to clear the prereq stages to get to the final chamber. The final chamber itself is hard to do with 18, although it poses no real issue for a 36 person group.

lol i love u habu. why are u arguing with silly people who suggest intentionally gimping urself is making content harder? haha, those ppl are so delusional.

LETS FIGHT EVERYTHING WITH NO GEAR OR WEAPONS THEN! THE WHOLE GAME WLL BE HARD THEN. That argument is so lol. Like, gtfo lol

HNM is a bad idea and you should feel bad. "my claiming bot err skillz was great you just suck"
The fights was never hard, just getting claim.

Those must be some thick ass nostalgia goggles u wearing.

I'm assuming you didn't read the first few posts that were made. I never said that the fights were hard just the thrill of actual competition between two rival shells was always something to look forward to in the day. Why is it always a go-to for those against HNM to mention botting? Not everyone who enjoyed HNM botted, just saying.

Maybe they should make a new type of PVP where you can literally fight over claiming HNMs. You can fight each other directly, MPK each other, force a spike flail, etc. You can do it all to your heart's content all day long if you want to. If you want it to be a competition let's make it a competition. No holds barred! Epic struggle for HNM claiming domination!

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just the thrill of actual competition between two rival shells was always something to look forward to in the day.

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There was never any thrill in this. It was only ever thrilling for the people who botted/cheated/won on a regular basis. People such as yourselves are in it for the drama. The rest of us were in it for the fight, and for the drops- if an instanced/popped/etc battle dropped the same things, nearly all of us would likely have done that in a heartbeat.

Yes, there's some nostalgia. But that doesn't mean that it was ever a good content design.

The problem with the line of thinking here is the HNMs have to drop upgrades or people won't go out to do them, at least not in enough volume to create the competition you're craving.

If it's competition you're craving, why don't you more actively participate in features that wre *designed* for competition, e.g. Conflict, Pankration, etc.? Preemptive answer: Because they don't have real rewards.

Even better, why not play an actual competitively designed game, like DotA/LoL/HoN, <insert FPS here> etc?

The fights were fun and rewarding. That's why most of us did them. Most people didn't find the fun in the camping or random nature of it. The "competition" is all about the drama when the real end result has nothing to do with anybody's skill, but a random event (ignoring the possible cheating factor).
If you went to HNMs just to "beat" other people to them, then you were part of the reason a lot of people hated going to them.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

Maybe they should make a new type of PVP where you can literally fight over claiming HNMs. You can fight each other directly, MPK each other, force a spike flail, etc. You can do it all to your heart's content all day long if you want to. If you want it to be a competition let's make it a competition. No holds barred! Epic struggle for HNM claiming domination!

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Coming from the person who earlier stated they didn't like Aery Wars this post doesn't really make sense. Understand that it was sarcasm but it's funny that I'm the one being blamed for trolling.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

There was never any thrill in this. It was only ever thrilling for the people who botted/cheated/won on a regular basis. People such as yourselves are in it for the drama. The rest of us were in it for the fight, and for the drops- if an instanced/popped/etc battle dropped the same things, nearly all of us would likely have done that in a heartbeat.

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Yes let's turn a mob that pops generally every 4-6 days into something you must first get 99KS to pop the NQ version. Then hope that the NQ will drop an item that can pop the HQ, which is horrid. Then once you get that HQ pop you have to hope the NM drops the item you were actually after, if not repeat the cycle. How could this possibly be better than knowing when the HQ will pop? Maybe you didn't get any thrill claiming an HNM in days of olde and that's you, I'm just stating how others and myself feel about the issue.

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If it's competition you're craving, why don't you more actively participate in features that wre *designed* for competition, e.g. Conflict, Pankration, etc.? Preemptive answer: Because they don't have real rewards.

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I don't like the PvP the way it is setup in FFXI hence why I don't do it.

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Even better, why not play an actual competitively designed game, like DotA/LoL/HoN, <insert FPS here> etc?

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I'm sorry I thought we were on a FFXI forum? So instead of trying to get something implemented for the people who would be in favor of HNMs I should just go play another game? Makes sense.

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The fights were fun and rewarding. That's why most of us did them. Most people didn't find the fun in the camping or random nature of it. The "competition" is all about the drama when the real end result has nothing to do with anybody's skill, but a random event (ignoring the possible cheating factor).
If you went to HNMs just to "beat" other people to them, then you were part of the reason a lot of people hated going to them.

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Oh? I'm getting the reason people didn't want to go to them were the fact that you had to sit there for 3 hours MAX to try and claim a NM but now it's turned into the people not claiming getting their feelings hurt? This isn't the third grade, not everyone is a winner, that's life.