Abyssea adjustment idea

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Originally Posted by Alkalinehoe

It really isn't SE's fault if players abyssea burn their jobs then not learn how to play them. Saying people who leveled from 1-75+ outside of abyssea are superior to those who didn't is just wrong. Even before abyssea there were SMN burns. I abyssea leeched my dnc to 75 and I find myself far better than the vast majority of DNCs who leveled their's "normally." It doesn't take a lot of brainwork to find out most jobs are essentially the same and if your previous job experience can't help you, then take some time outside of events and go out and actually learn the job, you should be able to get the feel for it after a few hours. If you really must endure 45 something levels to "learn" your job, then you're doing it wrong. If you still see people not knowing what they're doing, stop partying with idiots. make your own parties, ls parties, etc etc. Even with idiots it's not hard to get decent exp in abyssea (assuming people aren't capped already).

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I agree. You learn more about ur job doin endgame events that by beatin pink birds for 20 ish levels.

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Originally Posted by GERM

Yes they are superior and this is why.. You take the time to learn how to function in a party with limited skills/abilities/spells ect and you function and support a group.. Leeching in abyssea your dragging down the group and I bet majority of people would rather have a functioning member of a alliance in abyssea then a leech because all they do is slow kill rate, Im not saying key people aren't important but thats fine to designate 1 or 2 spots max for that and allow a friend to level a job just for the simple entertainment of doing so or a job that doesn't require skill ups (e.g. leveling DNC after a THF has been leveled to 90 or RDM leveling after BLM has been leveled) but for new people to take advantage of new content at lower levels? REALLY! if your a new player you shouldn't even be worried about new content until you worked your way up to it.. SqEnix did say that abyssea was going to be made for 75+ characters and thats one reason I think they should put a higher level cap on it.. to make it exclusive to higher levels.. a level 50 job isn't going to get anything they need out abyssea so why allow them to enter? I haven't seen anything drop for low levels and upgrade items are for 75+ levels so how does that balance things out? Especially now that they doubled xp outside abyssea its just the simple truth people are being lazy and don't want to take the time and effort to level a job and learn it they want to smash on the staples easy button and bam have a job they don't know how to play.. clear example
went in an alliance for a LS member for his upgrade items but also for atma.. had 1 blm, all you need for yellow proc in the case of elemental spells is a BLM well this blm manage to go from level 37-90 in 2 days in abyssea but didn't have any of the AM spells because they were too expensive was getting massive skill up and above all didnt know how long a spell casting time was for a spell and constantly casted during a TP move.. people need to learn how to play before they get involved in end game stuff..
Most people know an end game wouldn't take a low level job to end game its pointless no matter how many alliances they had involved at any given time.. so why should low level jobs be involved in the biggest end game event of all? Abyssea is end game weather people wanna admit it or not.. its not a place to go level a 30 job nor should a level 30 job be allowed to go level.. not to mention its crap people will charge people for leech spots and make gil off exploiting an alliance out to get xp..

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Bah...gimp 75s were around long before abbyssea and that's the cold hard truth. And people can get the're appropriate job skills to cap in a matter of days if not hours.

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Originally Posted by Rambus

I would love to hear why SE made the min level 30. that is big reason for people being lazy these days.

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Because leeching is an intended design mechanic. Everything about Abyssea's XP mechanics is designed as a response to one or more totally defensible complaints about FFXI's old XP system, and a big complaint was how obnoxious and time-consuming it was to level a new job generally, whether it was your first or your tenth. You might have liked the old system, and if you did I am happy to report that it's still there.

People will disagree over whether the amount of time it took to level before Abyssea was released was a good thing, but enough people felt it was bad to justify the creation of another way.

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Originally Posted by scaevola

Because leeching is an intended design mechanic. Everything about Abyssea's XP mechanics is designed as a response to one or more totally defensible complaints about FFXI's old XP system, and a big complaint was how obnoxious and time-consuming it was to level a new job generally, whether it was your first or your tenth. You might have liked the old system, and if you did I am happy to report that it's still there.

People will disagree over whether the amount of time it took to level before Abyssea was released was a good thing, but enough people felt it was bad to justify the creation of another way.

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I think the vast majority of ppl who complain about leeching are just butthurt that it wasnt around when they leveled their jobs. Either this or they can't stand to see a newer player have more 75s than them. It's really childish if ya think about it. Who cares that someone else has more jobs leveled with less game time than you...When abby first came out i had rdm nin drg at 75....and now have rdm drg nin blm 90...thf 75. i mix in regular exp parties for nostalgia along with limited leeching. (thf 51-75. blm 60-64. whm 41-55...all 3 jobs had they're skills capped) when abby came out my sam was in the 20s and now its 62. I don't leech it by choice but I'm not against leeching obviuosly. My gk is capped from nin using it and merits so i could justify leeching it but i (surprise surprise) enjoy playin the job. However, whm, for example, is not so different than what i learned from comin up as rdm...and i detested the idea of being a main heal for a slow grind of 70 levels. In short, to each his own. No one is forced to leech and to get all worked up because someone else is leeching is a childish waste of energy.

I don't see how being a key master contributes to the battle in a meaningful way that is specific to the job they are getting exp for. Before Abyssea, lower level members would receive a penalty for being in a pt with higher level members. I don't see why Abyssea should be different.