Current Empy 95 Price

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Originally Posted by uptempo

I think your kidding youself if you think they are going to get a boost the odd on them is from 30% to 50% depending on tp what do you want it to be 75-100 % lol.

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You need to read what I typed. I said "I want" I am not saying "they are."

EDIT: And isn't the odd a constant 30% TP just depends on how long it last?... I want proof before you start shouting "fake facts."

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Originally Posted by Erics

You need to read what I typed. I said "I want" I am not saying "they are."

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Point still stands! What more do you want on them.

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Originally Posted by Erics

With all this said.. I really want empyreans to get a nice boost then ... As was mentioned, Empyrean Weapons were only overpowered in abyssea.. Go outside, They are no longer "the girl next door," in a bunny outfit.

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Idk, Blade:hi, Victory smite and Ukon's fury are pure ownage even outside, and probably other. I do 2k+ victory smites when the next good WS, asuran fists, does 1~1.5k tops. that s +33% damg minimum. Not to mention the god mode aftermath.

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Originally Posted by Monchat

I think thats the problem. I honestly dont think people will spend more than a few months farming VW because of how terrible an event it is: first an event requiring 18 to succeed, not because the mobs are hard, but because they have instant death TP move ( thuse needing more than just one tank+ healer + few dds) and due to the bad proc system, and because the thing you are after will never drop with capped lights... Second the gear are sidegrades at best , in most case situational and totally not worth the effort, efect a few exceptions. For those reason people will switch focus soon and HMP will become rare. Just my opinion but I don't think people will do VW after the dynamis+2 armors are introduced [ here I'm optimistic and expect +2 to be good lol..].

No VW is not an elite event. No VW is not hard. The only difficulty in vw is gather 18 people with a half brain functionning. Throwing people and a mob was never anything hard. Players require "hard" content and SE came up with 18 man content, giving it parameters ( proc system) that nake low manning useless. They think hard= need more people. They could use their imagination and make hard- yet 6 manable- content, but they chose the easy way. I personally refuse to do anything with more than 6 people. The days of old dynamis LSes are over and they sucked. I don't want that back.

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This is pretty much entirely how I see it. In a year, the requirement would be impossible even if they lowered it to 150 Heavy Metal Plates. The only way that they're going to keep the supply up is adding other suppliers.

Also, it's not just that Voidwatch is difficult to lowman and get drops. It's that you need 18 people to get the maximum possible number of drops. If you cap lights with 8 people, you still only get ~50 items. If you cap lights with 18 people, you get ~110 items. If there's approximately a 5~10% chance of a pouch/single, Empyrean owners should want all the people opening chests that they can get even if they're just afking for the fight.

Edit: One more thing. If anything, we're incredibly lucky that Empyreans receive such a superficial upgrade going from 90 to 95. It means the competition for the Heavy Metal plates will be lower than it would be otherwise.

I gained a little faith when Asapanda (LSmate) got 12 Metal Plates yesterday while getting the clears for Zilart VW. While 1500 is a lot, its only a matter of time until you start seeing 95 emps. The JP community on Cerb does a very good job with VW, I'm sure we'll see some soon. Once the first couple 95s get done people will be more motivated.

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Originally Posted by Erics

You need to read what I typed. I said "I want" I am not saying "they are."

EDIT: And isn't the odd a constant 30% TP just depends on how long it last?... I want proof before you start shouting "fake facts."

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You have a almace go test the damn thing you will see yourself nothing fake in what i stated.

Also i said it depends on tp in the first post the only ones with constant odd are relics not that its hard to keep your aftermath up.

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Originally Posted by noodles355

Yeah, a 15% Cure potency, 15% cure cast time body that rdm and sch can equip sucks.

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White mage, what is it ? It's faster to "get" and better with better gear potency /speed, and better spells. Enjoy your cure 4s.

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Originally Posted by MarkovChain

White mage, what is it ? It's faster to "get" and better with better gear potency /speed, and better spells. Enjoy your cure 4s.

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Interesting. Your answer to "I want X gear" is "Get someone on Y job in your party." By that logic, nobody should be interested in ANY gear that gives less of a benefit than a COR, BRD, WHM, etc. in their party can give.

Your logic is not of this Earth.

Byrth, I would put the actual numbers closer to:

Relic: 145h farming to get to loan stage @100c/h (2-3box)

Emp: 168h to get to 90 stage on anything outside of LaTheine (For example, Ukonvasara)

Even if you pull it back to 85 stage where the weapons become useful, you're still looking at near equal time requirements.

The relic is going to take many weeks longer to complete than the Empyrean weapon, but in terms of total effort not so much.

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Originally Posted by Mahoro

Interesting. Your answer to "I want X gear" is "Get someone on Y job in your party." By that logic, nobody should be interested in ANY gear that gives less of a benefit than a COR, BRD, WHM, etc. in their party can give.

Your logic is not of this Earth.

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And your philosophy is to use the the current jobs that don't suck (WHM) to farm gears to those that suck (SCH,RDM). In the end of the day, with better gear, sch is vastly inferior to WHM, period.