Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

FFXI is being hurt by Abyssea, and SE will do something about it, if not right away, some time soon.

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Abyssea completely renewed interest in playing for myself and my spouse. We were bored with the old stuff. We really like Abyssea and hope that SE continues along the brilliant path they've been going down lately.

At least no more 'Wings of the Goddess' type expansions.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Okay. I'm asking for a list that doesn't involve solo exp, because the "Problem" with Abyssea is that it prevents group EXP. What areas were people partying in en masse before Abyssea (but after all other previous Expansions/Updates, Abyssea MUST be the isolated cause) that people no longer party in?

Random camps that people went off to explore in on occasion don't count either, because people still do this post-Abyssea.

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Korroloka Tunnel. Abyssea is preventing people from SMN burning en masse (due to lack of people paying for spots), requiring people to find other ways to level from 10-30 so that they can leech in Abyssea.

Solution: Open abyssea and make mobs chain XP normaly.
Not everyone's happy still.

1 item does not a list make. Also wat, people still SMN burn jobs up to 30 to enter Abyssea.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

Solution: Open abyssea and make mobs chain XP normaly.
Not everyone's happy still.

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Why is changing Abyssea the only solution available?

Honestly, if you don't like it that much, team up with all those other people who supposedly don't like it, and don't go there.

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Originally Posted by HFX7686

Why is changing Abyssea the only solution available?

Honestly, if you don't like it that much, team up with all those other people who supposedly don't like it, and don't go there.

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I was being facetious. People just need to learn that abyssea is how the game is now and live with it. Like how dynamis is going to be an open zone soon, so too, one day in the future will abyssea.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

1 item does not a list make. Also wat, people still SMN burn jobs up to 30 to enter Abyssea.

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Really? A few people had to pay some previously well known smn burner to do smn burns specifically for them.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Also wat, people still SMN burn jobs up to 30 to enter Abyssea.

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Hey man it works even better then it used to now.

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Originally Posted by Nacht

Really? A few people had to pay some previously well known smn burner to do smn burns specifically for them.

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I'm not sure I see your point at all. The initial assertion was that people level in fewer zones now than they did before Abyssea. I highly doubt Smn burning was included in their list either way. That said, so what if people are no longer merc'ing it as often? It still happens on my server if people want a sub leveled or somesuch; just with friends rather than merc groups (then again, Merc'ing burns was never very popular on my server).

Edit: @Beans, a-yup

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

I'm not sure I see your point at all.

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I was trying to make a joke. :(

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Originally Posted by Nacht

I was trying to make a joke. :(

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Oh. I suck :(

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

I'm not sure I see your point at all. The initial assertion was that people level in fewer zones now than they did before Abyssea. I highly doubt Smn burning was included in their list either way. That said, so what if people are no longer merc'ing it as often? It still happens on my server if people want a sub leveled or somesuch; just with friends rather than merc groups (then again, Merc'ing burns was never very popular on my server).

Edit: @Beans, a-yup

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I rarely see SMN burns on my server much anymore. If people have a sub to lvl they'll leech it in abyssea, and I think they grind the old way to 30, but I could be wrong since I'm barely out of Abyssea myself.

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Originally Posted by Chronofantasy

I rarely see SMN burns on my server much anymore. If people have a sub to lvl they'll leech it in abyssea, and I think they grind the old way to 30, but I could be wrong since I'm barely out of Abyssea myself.

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Oh I know. The subs I'm talking about are pre-30, haha. I know quite a few melee-only players who took Abyssea as an opportunity to level a mage job and now have to go out and level a bunch of subs they left untouched. I'm not saying Smn burns are common, just that they still happen occasionally.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Oh I know. The subs I'm talking about are pre-30, haha. I know quite a few melee-only players who took Abyssea as an opportunity to level a mage job and now have to go out and level a bunch of subs they left untouched. I'm not saying Smn burns are common, just that they still happen occasionally.

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I have no idea honestly, I'm just going by what the guys in my LS said when they were burning their jobs up from 10-30. Also, I appear to be on the same server as Chronofantasy, so what he said applies about how people don't smn burn on quetz.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Oh I know. The subs I'm talking about are pre-30, haha. I know quite a few melee-only players who took Abyssea as an opportunity to level a mage job and now have to go out and level a bunch of subs they left untouched. I'm not saying Smn burns are common, just that they still happen occasionally.

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If I was to fold on anything in this debate it would be this. I don't wanna imagine leveling magic skills after leaching a mage job to 90.

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Originally Posted by Mrbeansman

If I was to fold on anything in this debate it would be this. I don't wanna imagine leveling magic skills after leaching a mage job to 90.

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Eh it wasn't so bad for me. I took RDM 37-90 after only having PLD and WHM at 75+ that could use common magic skills. With /SCH, tossing nukes out while I was healing parties 50+ capped my Elemental skill without much trouble. Dark was a pain in the ass, but it got there after a couple days of just using my Rdm and making sure to drain/aspir/bio stuff whenever timers were up.

Divine and Enfeebling are incredibly easy to cap with Hpemde. The only really annoying one is Healing magic, which doesn't really affect too much that I know of anyways.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Okay. I'm asking for a list that doesn't involve solo exp, because the "Problem" with Abyssea is that it prevents group EXP. What areas were people partying in en masse before Abyssea (but after all other previous Expansions/Updates, Abyssea MUST be the isolated cause) that people no longer party in?

Random camps that people went off to explore in on occasion don't count either, because people still do this post-Abyssea.

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no that is not the problem... the problem is that Abyssea has it to where most gear and zones in the 30-70 range are almost pointless. This in turn has thrown the whole game out of whack.

over half the items in the game have now become worthless, and that effects crafting, in turn effect the AH, and in turn effects the over all game.

Even if it was made to where 70 was required to enter Abyssea, and EXP was future enhanced outside of it, there would at least still be a need for the gear again to a point and restore some of the balance that Abyssea has destroyed.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

no that is not the problem... the problem is that Abyssea has it to where most gear and zones in the 30-70 range are almost pointless. This in turn has thrown the whole game out of whack.

over half the items in the game have now become worthless, and that effects crafting, in turn effect the AH, and in turn effects the over all game.

Even if it was made to where 70 was required to enter Abyssea, and EXP was future enhanced outside of it, there would at least still be a need for the gear again to a point and restore some of the balance that Abyssea has destroyed.

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Level Sync destroyed the balance you're thinking of, not Abyssea. People only needed 3 sets past Qufim Island (where you could exp naked and be effective); East Ronfaure [S] set, Wajaom Woodlands/Bhaflau 55-65 set, and 75+ set.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

no that is not the problem... the problem is that Abyssea has it to where most gear and zones in the 30-70 range are almost pointless. This in turn has thrown the whole game out of whack.

over half the items in the game have now become worthless, and that effects crafting, in turn effect the AH, and in turn effects the over all game.

Even if it was made to where 70 was required to enter Abyssea, and EXP was future enhanced outside of it, there would at least still be a need for the gear again to a point and restore some of the balance that Abyssea has destroyed.

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Why is that a problem?

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

The only really annoying one is Healing magic, which doesn't really affect too much that I know of anyways.

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350 healing skill adds about 50 base hp to cure5 compared to 0 skill, so... no, it doesn't really do much.

It seems everyone anti-Abyssea levelling has a serious case of nostalgia. You want the past. We want the future. You want to return the game to its stagnant state, slow and tedious with grinding being the mainstay of the performance. We want the stage continually refined into something far more grandiose, where experience grinding is an ephemeral means to an end, allowing us to enjoy content rapidly.

The relics of the past should be confined to the past. Seek the future and seek progression - by fighting against it, you are actively harming the game.

This thread has more posts then the german and french forums combined.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Level Sync destroyed the balance you're thinking of, not Abyssea. People only needed 3 sets past Qufim Island (where you could exp naked and be effective); East Ronfaure [S] set, Wajaom Woodlands/Bhaflau 55-65 set, and 75+ set.

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Birds are good exp....and Level Sync is a brilliant idea to *make the game more social so people could play with their friends*.

It just so happened that you could also use Level Sync to fight birds as most of your exp prey. So why would people *want* to level on anything else if birds gave such good exp?

I would say that the flamingos are proof that SE wants a faster paced game.

EDIT: Ninja as a tank wasn't part of SE's original intention, but it evolved to be so because of the players.

Likewise, Level Sync wasn't meant to be able to level so easily off pink birds all the damned time, but that's what players used it for!

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Originally Posted by Linh

Birds are good exp....and Level Sync is a brilliant idea to *make the game more social so people could play with their friends*.

It just so happened that you could also use Level Sync to fight birds as most of your exp prey. So why would people *want* to level on anything else if birds gave such good exp?

I would say that the flamingos are proof that SE wants a faster paced game.

EDIT: Ninja as a tank wasn't part of SE's original intention, but it evolved to be so because of the players.

Likewise, Level Sync wasn't meant to be able to level so easily off pink birds all the damned time, but that's what players used it for!

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I have no problem with Level sync; I love the feature. I was simply pointing out that the issues Kailea was addressing had very little to do with Abyssea, and more to do with the introduction of level sync.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

I have no problem with Level sync; I love the feature. I was simply pointing out that the issues Kailea was addressing had very little to do with Abyssea, and more to do with the introduction of level sync.

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And I was agreeing with you.

No Abyssea leeching = LeveL Syncing to birds for exp and won't really need any other gear set.

I still got parties in other places with level sync, hell I was only in level sync PTs half the time. level sync no where destroyed balance more then Abyssea did.

Indeed I feel that Abyssea has hurt the AH, lower level parties, and nostalgia. However, I think Abyssea in itself is awesome. My post is purely directed at the strangely low level requirement to begin with. I also understand that some people don't want to spend forever leveling a job, but the speed in which you can do so in Abyssea is just insane.

oh I agree the new content is awesome, just wish they had controlled it better from the start, now they might just have to make a few people angry if/when they fix it. Players are important, but the health of the game is important too, and as long as Abyssea stays the way it is now, that health is not looking so good.

Don't know if this was mentioned in this thread (116 pages skimming: no thanks, lol)
What if you get 0 xp in Abyssea on jobs you haven't finished shattering stars quest on?
Lets you prove you can handle the job ^^

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Originally Posted by Maquis

Don't know if this was mentioned in this thread (116 pages skimming: no thanks, lol)
What if you get 0 xp in Abyssea on jobs you haven't finished shattering stars quest on?
Lets you prove you can handle the job ^^

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That's actually a really good idea. Looksie here SE! This guy has some brains.

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Originally Posted by Maquis

Don't know if this was mentioned in this thread (116 pages skimming: no thanks, lol)
What if you get 0 xp in Abyssea on jobs you haven't finished shattering stars quest on?
Lets you prove you can handle the job ^^

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Also known as "raise the level cap in abyssea from 30 to 65". At least thats 5 levels off of the OP, maybe in another 10k posts people will stop crying about leechers and accept it as something SE intended from the very beginning.

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Originally Posted by Ramsos

Also known as "raise the level cap in abyssea from 30 to 65". At least thats 5 levels off of the OP, maybe in another 10k posts people will stop crying about leechers and accept it as something SE intended from the very beginning.

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Lower it to 1. Problem solved.

Perhaps the level 30 minimum is actually a distraction from all the other things that people were complaining about. Well played.

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Originally Posted by Vivik

Lower it to 1. Problem solved.

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no not solved, made worse.

Do not be affraid. No one can force you to lvl" the old way". It is not possible. The methods and time it takes to lvl a job have changed drastically since I joined the game 6 years ago. (For a recreational player.. I'm not on every day). What used to take months in parties now can be accomplished in a matter of a very few weeks, even without Abyssea. The previous updates have increased exp gained in parties a huge amount. With a exp ring I have reached as much as the 800s and usually between 5-600 per kill in parties. FOV and lvl sync have also changed the lvling for solos, duos and trios. SE is trying hard to revitalize the regular areas and world economy and attempt to extend the life of the game. They see the big picture and have seen many servers begin to die. Hopefully, the world merges and exp changes will keep FFXI going longer as the Abyss additions have failed to reverse the trend.
Abyssea is end game content and has brought some new challenges and fun to the game. I go there when I want to work on my 90's, exp, merit, gear but, its only part of the world SE has created. SE is a business after all and they will go where they need to to increase subscriptions in the game. But, its clear that as Abyssea participation has increased in the smaller servers, it has not helped to reverse the shrinking trend. As a business, SE will make the decision that makes the most financial sense.
There seems to be a critical mass around 500-700 where the majority seems to be playing end game content and others quickly exit the game. I recently left a server where this had happened. There was even a difference of opinion on the world mergers. Some end game players wanted to stay smaller to keep competition down in the zones while people in lower levels wanted the world repopulated to wake up the economy and dead areas. Why do they merge worlds? LOL. Because they are no longer profitable. Hopefully, they will come up with changes that will save the game for us all, because the ones they have made so far, have not done the trick. If a higher lvl cap in Abyss helps SE bring the worlds back to life then do it.. If it means another expansion like COP and the others then I'd like to see that.. but if the game continues to move the way it is now.. time is short for the game.

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Originally Posted by Skybrit

Do not be affraid. No one can force you to lvl" the old way". It is not possible.

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True. Leechers leech and complainers complain. These are just the facts of life. The rest of us(The vast majority.), get on with our lives and play the game as intended.

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Originally Posted by Kailea_Nagisa

no not solved, made worse.

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Originally Posted by Vivik
Lower it to 1. Problem solved.

I agree with Vivik lower to lvl 1

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Originally Posted by RaenRyong

It seems everyone anti-Abyssea levelling has a serious case of nostalgia. You want the past. We want the future. You want to return the game to its stagnant state, slow and tedious with grinding being the mainstay of the performance. We want the stage continually refined into something far more grandiose, where experience grinding is an ephemeral means to an end, allowing us to enjoy content rapidly.

The relics of the past should be confined to the past. Seek the future and seek progression - by fighting against it, you are actively harming the game.

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Well put!!! I agree

i dont mind abyssea leeching.. just so long as the person leeching is smart enough to skill up and know how to work in a party/allience.

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Originally Posted by Detoxy

Well put!!! I agree

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You can't have the past. The game doesn't play that way anymore.