Ok...let me level with you here SE...

Atoreis is just being Atoreis as always and refusing to admit he could be wrong.

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Originally Posted by Kimble

Atoreis is just being Atoreis as always and refusing to admit he could be wrong.

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Nope I said that they could obviously troll me with saying items will be for upg empy then change it to stage 2.
That would be very wrong and rude tho (cant use harder words here) but I know its possible but highly unlikely.

No, it wouldnt be wrong or rude at all. They didn't make you start collecting those items. You choose to do so. ANYTHING that is on the test server can be changed before it goes live.

I don't really agree with SE that often, but in this case, thats on you, not them.

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*New Magian trials for Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean weapons have been delayed to allow time for proper balancing.
They are scheduled to be introduced to the test server in the near future and implemented in the release version in an additional version update.
The items required for the trials, however, have been introduced in advance in this version update.

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* Stage 1　※The number of items required for upgrade is temporary.
Weapon Classification Trial Information
Relic Weapons Trial: Retrieve a set quantity of the assigned item.
Objective: 20 Umbral Marrow
Mythic Weapons Trial: Retrieve a set quantity of the assigned item.
Objective: 10 Mulcibar’s Scoria
Verethragna/Almace/Farsha/Redemption/Rhongomiant/Masamune/Gandiva/Daurdabla Trial: Retrieve a set quantity of the assigned item.
Objective: 60 Riftcinder
Twashtar/Caladbolg/Ukonvasara/Kannagi/Gambanteinn/Hvergelmir/Armageddon/Ochain Trial: Retrieve a set quantity of the assigned item.
Objective: 60 Riftdross

* Stage 2　※The number of items required for upgrade is temporary.
Weapon Classification Trial Information
Relic Weapons Trial: Retrieve a set quantity of the assigned item.
Objective: 1,000 Umbral Marrow
Mythic Weapons Trial: Retrieve a set quantity of the assigned item.
Objective: 500 Mulcibar’s Scoria
Verethragna/Almace/Farsha/Redemption/Rhongomiant/Masamune/Gandiva/Daurdabla Trial: Retrieve a set quantity of the assigned item.
Objective: 3,000 Riftcinder
Twashtar/Caladbolg/Ukonvasara/Kannagi/Gambanteinn/Hvergelmir/Armageddon/Ochain Trial: Retrieve a set quantity of the assigned item.
Objective: 3,000 Riftdross

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Tables broke, too lazy to fix it. The word "temporary" means "not final"...meaning it can change to something significantly lower, they can remove the item(s) for stage 1 upgrades. They could make it not based on Marrows, or they could adjust the drops, both drop count and drop places, so the rough value per Marrow isnt 20+ million gil, meaning if you've been farming them / buying them (LOL), you've done bad move.


The problem here now, is relics. Something majority seems to agree on at this point. I have no problem with Riftcinder/dross, and with the 10x zeni turnin, I have no problem with mythics...so once again, the problem is relics. The only people seemingly upset with mythics or emps are either ignorant, or expect their upgrade to be in their deliverybox after trading it to a moogle.

The problem with emps I find is the HMP's, 1500 is dumdum, but its too late to go back now cause those who have upgraded are gonna flip. I dont get how SE doesnt realize why we're raging at these numbers now. The last time a fkn absurd trial was put out on the test server (the 1500 HMP's), we didnt bitch about it cause we figured "lol thats a sick joke, theyre going to adjust that..."...and we waited...and we waited.....and....we......waited, and then it was never adjusted. So we bitch and raise our voices when something absurd is put out because we have to.

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Originally Posted by Atoreis

Nope I said that they could obviously troll me with saying items will be for upg empy then change it to stage 2.
That would be very wrong and rude tho (cant use harder words here) but I know its possible but highly unlikely.

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I open a new restaurant and, being mentally unwell, I experiment with charging people in severed heads rather than money. The food is really good, though, so I have a few customers.

A week later, I'm back on my medication and it occurs to me that rotting severed heads smell really bad. Also, business is pretty bad. I begin accepting money instead of severed heads.

This sucks for the guy who has been keeping his chainsaw well-oiled, his freezer full of severed heads, and a run-down state park full of headless corpses; but it's a good decision overall.

This analogy doesn't fit the Empyrean 99 so much as it fits the Relic 99 upgrade, but the general idea is the same. I don't think replacing a bad idea with a better idea is ever wrong, and making changes is the whole reason the test server exists.

I personally think it would be pretty dumb if the Development Bros totally changed the Empyrean trials just because they were totally changing trials for Mythics and Relics, but I still wouldn't consider that change wrong.

If you do anything based on the test server, it's best to see it as an educated gamble with the odds in your favor.

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Originally Posted by Nynja

The problem with emps I find is the HMP's, 1500 is dumdum, but its too late to go back now cause those who have upgraded are gonna flip.

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They probably should have waited then. Shit like that is why I don't even log in anymore.

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Originally Posted by Nynja

The problem with emps I find is the HMP's, 1500 is dumdum, but its too late to go back now cause those who have upgraded are gonna flip.

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Who cares? SE has made shit easier that cost many people millions in gil before, whats stopping them with HMPs?

If someones gonna bitch about 1500 plates to get a 95 then should others complain for doing CoP pre-nerf? For doing relic killshot trials before the reduction? For Nyzul before the fix? Salvage? Cmon, we all know when you do things ahead of the wave you might get burned.

SE needs to get real and adjust the trial down to reasonable numbers. It doesn't need to be Carabosse tier easy but something reasonable and not requiring 150M for a marginal gain would be a start.

500-750 plates would be reasonable.

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Originally Posted by Sparthos

If someones gonna bitch about 1500 plates to get a 95 then should others complain for doing CoP pre-nerf? For doing relic killshot trials before the reduction? For Nyzul before the fix? Salvage? Cmon, we all know when you do things ahead of the wave you might get burned.

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I'm not disagreeing with you at all. But in each of those examples, people did complain.

Natural progression would have been 150 plates honestly, but at this point I'd agree on 500-750 as well.

As for the theoretical numbers on the final trials themselves .... no need to stir the hornet nest. The dev's already have said the items are a pretty much an assured deal so it's a good time to start bartering for reasonable numbers. I will finally agree that perhaps kills on ADL would be a better stage 1 alternative but only if they create multiple spawn points ... or the entire rant-fest will still be a crap-end stick. Yet it would also be reasonable to say if they change the relic to kills they should change the mythic to kills as well. I say this quite frankly as it's the same progression as gaining pop trophy-items with the ADDED burden of playing FF safari hunter. Increased zeni or no, it's still a utilization of hours of time and organization .. after the crap sandwich that is the mythic quest itself.

Empyrean is fine as long as further monsters to drop the dross/cinder are added as well as bag/pouch for them because frankly the tiny handful of mobs on plates and plate pouches is seriously a bummer.