FINAL FANTASY XI Job Adjustmentｓ Manifesto [Blue Mage]

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

The more overpowering a spell is, the harder is should be to accomodate. The 4-5 point spells tend to be thus, so if you want to set them, you can't set as many.
1000 needles was *supposed* to be way overpowering for it's level (unfortunately the broken accuracy made this not so) so it was 5 points to set and 350mp.

Hence, that's how BLU works.

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First off, 5 set points is not even close to an analog of 10. For its level and any level after it, 1000 Needles has always been complete trash between dealing only 1,000 damage, costing 350 MP and taking 12 seconds to cast; the later nerf to ACC was just an insult. It's the Dev Team's inability to balance and make spells somewhat useful that has led to 90%+ of our spell list being completely useless.

Anyways, tangent aside, no this isn't how BLU works. Having a spell cost 10 set points and cost 350+ MP doesn't fix the spell, it breaks it. There are plenty of ways to balance the effect of a spell besides making it unusable.

If I had to, I could name several spells that SE has reconfigured to make suitable for use by BLU.

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Originally Posted by Prothscar

First off, 5 set points is not even close to an analog of 10. For its level and any level after it, 1000 Needles has always been complete trash between dealing only 1,000 damage, costing 350 MP and taking 12 seconds to cast; the later nerf to ACC was just an insult. It's the Dev Team's inability to balance and make spells somewhat useful that has led to 90%+ of our spell list being completely useless.

Anyways, tangent aside, no this isn't how BLU works. Having a spell cost 10 set points and cost 350+ MP doesn't fix the spell, it breaks it. There are plenty of ways to balance the effect of a spell besides making it unusable.

If I had to, I could name several spells that SE has reconfigured to make suitable for use by BLU.

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You seem to be completely missing the point. SE says it would be broken if we had it. I say let BLU have it at full strength and make it stupidexpensive. Then you ahve to weigh up the pros and cons of setting/using it.

Mind, either way there'll be nothing but Q.Qing from the playerbase.

Q.Q SE gave us the spell, but it's too expensive to set.
Q.Q SE gave us the spell but nerfed it.
Q.Q SE won't give us the spell because they say it'll be broken if we do.

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

You seem to be completely missing the point. SE says it would be broken if we had it. I say let BLU have it at full strength and make it stupidexpensive. Then you ahve to weigh up the pros and cons of setting/using it.

Mind, either way there'll be nothing but Q.Qing from the playerbase.

Q.Q SE gave us the spell, but it's too expensive to set.
Q.Q SE gave us the spell but nerfed it.
Q.Q SE won't give us the spell because they say it'll be broken if we do.

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Even at 300 MP I still think full-powered it'd be over-powered.

I'm with SE here, don't give it too BLU. Though I'd rather they just say "We have no intention of giving it to BLU" Rather than "It'd be too powerful" when it's obvious SE could gimp it.

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Originally Posted by Babekeke

The more overpowering a spell is, the harder is should be to accomodate. The 4-5 point spells tend to be thus, so if you want to set them, you can't set as many.
1000 needles was *supposed* to be way overpowering for it's level (unfortunately the broken accuracy made this not so) so it was 5 points to set and 350mp.

Hence, that's how BLU works.

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You can't win this argument. Prothscar, along with many other BLU's here, are under the impression that they should be the most powerful job in the game, period. He wants no set points, access to all spells, 95% acc on all spells, high damage on all spells, low cast / recast time on all spells, low MP cost on all spells, access to all DD gear, access to all WS, access to erase, access to erasega, access to curaga, access to cure 4.5, access to several stuns, access to both light and dark aoe sleeps, ability to self SC, ability to self MB, ability to self haste, ability to self refresh, ability to berserk, ability to nuke, native access to 7+ shadows, native access to aoe stoneskin, and a pink pony for christmas.

The pony is considered optional, the rest is mandatory else he feels the world's against him.

Taken from a developer perspective (I've actually worked on a MMO before) BLU is the most overpowered job in the game, simply by it's access to nearly everything in the game. Only way to impose game balance is to restrict it somehow, thus the set point / slot system was put in place. To further limit BLU SE imposed various restrictions on spells and abilities to maintain BLU's balance with respect to the other 20 jobs in the game. Of course SE has an absolute horrible track record for maintaining balance past a release, thus many of BLU's older spells are rather useless, then again most of BLM's spells eventually become useless. When they modify things they also tend to go too far, its either brokenly overpowered or ridiculously weak, Ranged attacks being a prime example of this. Of course trying to explain any of this is fanboi's is rather impossible, they don't want balance, they just want to be broken and feel special.

Yes the feeling of entitlement is that bad. For any BLU feeling that SE somehow "hates" you or "ignores" you, go play fcking Summoner, Beast master, Thief or Ranger for awhile. Or if your feeling particularly masochistic, go play Red Mage, a job SE is so scared of that they've decided to give it nearly nothing. Then come back and complain about SE doesn't "get you" or isn't giving you what you want.

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Originally Posted by saevel

You can't win this argument. Prothscar, along with many other BLU's here, are under the impression that they should be the most powerful job in the game, period. He wants no set points, access to all spells, 95% acc on all spells, high damage on all spells, low cast / recast time on all spells, low MP cost on all spells, access to all DD gear, access to all WS, access to erase, access to erasega, access to curaga, access to cure 4.5, access to several stuns, access to both light and dark aoe sleeps, ability to self SC, ability to self MB, ability to self haste, ability to self refresh, ability to berserk, ability to nuke, native access to 7+ shadows, native access to aoe stoneskin, and a pink pony for christmas.

The pony is considered optional, the rest is mandatory else he feels the world's against him.

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I'm not sure how people saying "Spells are typically made weaker rather than being give huge set point and MP costs and I think this trend will continue. Also, some spells are disproportionately useful given the set points required." leads into job balance and stuff.

I hope anybody who does want a pink pony is happy now, though!

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Originally Posted by saevel

You can't win this argument. Prothscar, along with many other BLU's here, are under the impression that they should be the most powerful job in the game, period. He wants no set points, access to all spells, 95% acc on all spells, high damage on all spells, low cast / recast time on all spells, low MP cost on all spells, access to all DD gear, access to all WS, access to erase, access to erasega, access to curaga, access to cure 4.5, access to several stuns, access to both light and dark aoe sleeps, ability to self SC, ability to self MB, ability to self haste, ability to self refresh, ability to berserk, ability to nuke, native access to 7+ shadows, native access to aoe stoneskin, and a pink pony for christmas.

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This made me laugh because obviously I've missed all these posts Prothscar and all these "many other BLU's" have made demanding everything.

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Originally Posted by saevel

Taken from a developer perspective (I've actually worked on a MMO before) BLU is the most overpowered job in the game, simply by it's access to nearly everything in the game.

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I'm not sure what you did on an MMO but if it was Game Design then I'm curious how much of a role you actually had in the decisions if any. Even if all BLU spells were unlocked it still wouldn't replace BLM for nuking, it would replace any heavy DD for DDing on anything hard. It wouldn't replace THF for TH. It wouldn't replace WHM as healer. It wouldn't replace RDM, BRD, or NIN as the go to enfeebler. It wouldn't replace BRD or COR as the go to buffer. It wouldn't replace PLD as the go to hard crap tank. The list goes on.

BLU is a powerful job in certain scenarios. Even if you remove the limitations imposed to create play style diversity it still only powerful in certain scenarios.

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Originally Posted by SpankWustler

I hope anybody who does want a pink pony is happy now, though!

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I know I am. Much appreciated.

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

They wont give a spell that lasts the full time of the JA recast, it'd be 3 minutes at most.

Also they gave their version of a Phalanx last update, they wont add another. I'm still calling a ~500dmg Stoneskin.

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I can understand the pessimistic views on SE making UL spells with a duration not lasting the recast of UL, but there is always a chance. After all, Stoneskin spells (with the exception of SMN) all last 5 min duration.

SE can be full of surprises at times. Remember Occultation? You think if they were to place Occultation under UL it would be only a 3 min duration with 3 more blinks?

Of course, SE likes to fail at times, too. Let's hope for no more fail spells like Feather Barrier, Hydro Shot, and Barrier Tusk.

I've wanted more than anything for SE to fix old BLU spells to be workable but at this point it's kinda pointless. My heart finally broke with Asuran Claws after the previous batch of spells.

Ah well~

Yeah I used Asuran Claws for the first time this week and it was so amazingly luckluster.

It did the same damage as Delta Thrust for me.