Do Relic, Mythic, and Empyrean staves lack utility?

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

I challenge you to recover 1500 MP in less than 2 minutes without using ethers. You can't do it.

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Actually......you can......really easy.....

Its called Convert. With the right build (meaning getting back 6 mp per tick refresh outside of abyssea) you can recover every bit of mp you used in a fight, and while maintaining that 6 mp per tick refresh, can ride out the 10 minutes using the same avatar without even blinking an eye.

Also, in case you do need mp again, there is elemental siphon for those who can't get +6 Refresh.

And inside Abyssea? You wouldn't run out of mp at all.

MP is not the issue here. It is Dallas's claim that he can out damage everyone that is the issue. Don't take it personally Al, it is not you that they are attacking, it is Dallas.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

For the over 9000th time, no one is trying to beat a WAR with his weapon. They are simply trying to improve over what they were capable of before.

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Im not saying anyone is trying to beat a war with his weapon.... im saying that the damage increase that wars got because of the emp isn't equal to the bounses that blm, smn and sch got with there emp (not saying SE has to make everything perfect but the gap in usefulness of the 2 weapons imo is large :/ )

SE has done this before with weapons like these: look at how the blm mythic turned out. Im just saying they need to make these high end weapons worth there value for every job... not just a few.

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Originally Posted by Alhanelem

Also, I'm pretty sure no other job in the game is wanted solely for its 2-hour.

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Corsair's Wild Card.

Uh no? No one is going to ask you to melee anything worthwhile because your melee damage on anything worthwhile is not worth you being in range of any/all high damaging AoE/Spells/Auras, so yes the only use of melee Smn is on weak shit and inside abyssea. Summoner being made to cure should have told you just how unwanted a job that has mediocre melee and spike damage on a 45 second timer at best is.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Summoner being made to cure should have told you just how unwanted a job that has mediocre melee and spike damage on a 45 second timer at best is.

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Actually, I think that people see the amount of mp a SMN can get, and also see the auto-refresh trait too, and automatically assume that SMN = healer without looking at the amount of natural cures a SMN really has.

Without a mage sub Smn can do nothing in between Bloodpacts which are mediocre at best (outside the 3 listed situations) while having one of the largest mp pools in the game as well.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Without a mage sub Smn can do nothing in between Bloodpacts which are mediocre at best while having one of the largest mp pools in the game as well.

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Maybe mediocre damage over time, but not mediocre spike damage and hate holding ability. Plus you forget the true jewel of being a SMN: fast pets. What really makes SMN shine is the ability to have a pet on a mob 100% of the time without having to wait for recast/cooldown timers. PUP comes in second only because of that 1 minute ability of theirs, but their pet will die very quickly afterwards unless full healed.

Not even BST has that ability anymore of fast pets.

That falls under situation 3 imo.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Corsair's Wild Card.

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And BRDs soul voice.

Though it all depends on what you meant with "soley". BRDs and CORs are desired at other times too, SMN in much less situations.

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Originally Posted by Byrth

* There are three strategic uses for summoner:
1) You need Earthen Armor to mitigate heavy (often AoE) damage.
2) You need Perfect Defense for a zerg.
3) You need a low-hate/low-TP damage source often due to some hate-reset mechanism of the monster. In these situations, you sacrifice kill speed for safety and stability.

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1) Earthen Armor is nice, but not the only worthwhile buff. Earthen Ward, Hastega, Ecliptic Growl, Noctoshield are all very nice buffs that also helps migrate damage.
2) I'll give you that.
3) I'll give you that also.

But you forget that SMN also can pet pull anything that links with the NM for a safer pull, for those NMs that spawn in the middle of aggroland.

Also, some SMN debuffs are very accurate and you can't find them anywhere else or as often as 45 seconds each time (here is looking at you Diamond Storm and Lunar Cry).

Plus, SMN is one of the best soloist jobs out there. You can't deny us that fact.

But to limit the usefulness to just the three quoted above, that is the real crime. SMN is very useful, you just don't see it because you only limit your thinking into those three categories.