Raise the minimum allowable job level in Abyssea from 30 to 70+

*sings*

Going off the rails on a Crazy Train....

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Originally Posted by Starcade

I don't think you want my answer to that question.

The answer to that question is an unequivocal YES -- the next step to make your game more enjoyable is to remove people like me from it (forcibly and with the GMs if necessary), because of my non-tolerance for what probably makes your gameplay enjoyable.

The only reason I play FFXI is to spit at the cheaters and force Square-Enix, when the time finally comes, to basically either enforce their ToS against things they've said they would have no tolerance for (but continually LIED about), or basically render them irrelevant in the face of effective mob rule.

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Once again you derail, i never talked about RMT, Cheater and so on, as much i can agree on those statement, i still and never going to agree that the one who not an expert at FFXI should switch the game just to make you happy.

Stop derail just to win a point that clearly you lost from base, if you wan talk about RMT just go post a new thread, i don't like the way this turning, because clearly you too much stereotype person and over it you derail it just to win your point.

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Originally Posted by Ilax

Once again you derail, i never talked about RMT, Cheater and so on, as much i can agree on those statement, i still and never going to agree that the one who not an expert at FFXI should switch the game just to make you happy.

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The problem is there are those who even are considered experts who should run themselves off to Azeroth, as far as I am concerned -- and their conduct vis-a-vis cheating and RMT is a large reason why.

(Especially when you get to groups like BG.)

You're not going to get full separation of those concepts, especially with the belief by many that cheating, in certain forms, is necessary to their enjoyment of FFXI.

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Originally Posted by Ilax

Stop derail just to win a point that clearly you lost from base, if you wan talk about RMT just go post a new thread, i don't like the way this turning, because clearly you too much stereotype person and over it you derail it just to win your point.

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It's actually part of the reason that the concept of raising the Abyssean level floor is not a bad idea: You've got a bunch of people who are willing to openly screw over everyone in their path for their own advancement -- and Abyssea has added a whole new dimension to this.

It drives me up the wall to basically hear people /shout to try to be the key master (read: level-accelerator for themselves), not realizing that, in most cases, the key master is the one making the group.

It also drives me up the wall when I am in such a group to see the leader having to keep track of everyone to assure that they are actually doing the work -- in most cases, they aren't!!

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Originally Posted by Starcade

Yes it does, especially when (and this is where it becomes on topic to FFXI) it means you have no business doing what you are good at doing best.

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That makes no sense.
Even if you think he shouldn't be doing something. He's still good at it, regardless. Unless you're saying you can beat him and his team in football?

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Originally Posted by Cream_Soda

That makes no sense.
Even if you think he shouldn't be doing something. He's still good at it, regardless. Unless you're saying you can beat him and his team in football?

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No, you're completely missing the point.

He has no business in organized society. It's almost as if we have made him into some sort of a God who must be bowed down to (like FFXI has done to many of the Salvage-dupers, etc.) to be considered acceptable.

That's hogwash. I don't care if he eventually does get people to reinvent the position of quarterback -- the guy is utter slime and has no business on the field, and those who cheer him on are just as culpable in the mockery of even base decency that his presence there does.

Hence, it invalidates how good he is, in any sane person's eyes. Just like botting and 3PP's and duping invalidate the good work the players involved in said do.

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Originally Posted by Starcade

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Seriously man, I willing to bet that you cheat like crazy. There's no way anyone would be so outspoken against it unless they did.

@Starcade

Your experience and mine is 2 different story line, trust me the member in my LS are by far not 'The best player in FFXI' but they are mature/friendly/helpful, trust me the best gear/skill mean nothing if your group is ready to make fun of you. No matter how good you are, is most of the time the synergy of your linkshell.

Quit trying put everyone in the same boat...

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Originally Posted by Starcade

No, you're completely missing the point.

He has no business in organized society. It's almost as if we have made him into some sort of a God who must be bowed down to (like FFXI has done to many of the Salvage-dupers, etc.) to be considered acceptable.

That's hogwash. I don't care if he eventually does get people to reinvent the position of quarterback -- the guy is utter slime and has no business on the field, and those who cheer him on are just as culpable in the mockery of even base decency that his presence there does.

Hence, it invalidates how good he is, in any sane person's eyes. Just like botting and 3PP's and duping invalidate the good work the players involved in said do.

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That's a horrible comparison. botting directly correlates to ffxi. Fighting dogs has absolutely nothing to do with his ability to play football.

Someone caught using steroids would make a better example than Vic, as that actually has an effect on football and the outcome of games.

If they did this, then how would that be fair to all the people that were able to do it before they would apply this kind of patch?

It would mean that those people had unfair access with 30+ jobs while other people in the future who didn't get a chance to go there would have to do it 70+.

I've organized a party where I brought in a 90 blm. Turned out he had levelled all 60 levels in 5 days, and his skills were at level 30ish. He did have his spells, because blm was not his 1st job and he had money. He cast a Blizzard V on Raskovnik for 154, yes 154 damage. He had claim, so I kicked him from the pt, and had the rest of the party all flux out and leave him to it. He was not invited back, and I told our rdm if he went to raise him he was not welcome back either.

Show up prepared to do your job in a reasonable manner or quit the game! THAT is why I despise low-level leeching. I don't even particularily like level sync. If a mob is a skillable mob relative to your level you should be able to skill, period.

Now, ask me how I feel about people who AFK...