Current Empy 95 Price

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Originally Posted by Staren

We need some form of solidarity instead of the this one thing needs to be fixed. Maybe if SE sees that the playerbase is aiming for more reasonable endgame rewards and we complain enough about it we might see fixes. Though tbh we're talking about SE they could still completely screw up a fix.

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Solidarity? Most people agree that 30k alexandrite is stupid considering the supply but why would anyone talk about that here when there are 20 threads they can post in? Just because it's equally stupid doesn't mean it belongs in this thread anymore than a 1500 plates conversation belongs in the numerous alexandrite threads. Solidarity is not complaining about everything that needs to be changed in every thread about something that needs to be changed. That's just derailing.

We've gotten 300+ since the 10/04 maintenance.

Its not derailing when someone complains that mythics are easier than 95 empyreans or that relics are just as hard as them. In my opinion thats an insult and part of the reason se isnt getting the proper amount of complaints about mythics to get any change done.

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Originally Posted by Staren

We've gotten 300+ since the 10/04 maintenance.

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Yeah, I don't believe you.

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Originally Posted by Staren

Give me your email I have it in a text file will send it when you're ready.

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As if that can't be edited to show whatever you want it to.

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We need some form of solidarity instead of the this one thing needs to be fixed. Maybe if SE sees that the playerbase is aiming for more reasonable endgame rewards and we complain enough about it we might see fixes. Though tbh we're talking about SE they could still completely screw up a fix.

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Asking for solidarity in an MMO forum is just pissing into the wind. You're not going to see that because not everyone wants the same thing. and often what people want is mutually exclusive of what somone else wants. Thus people are constantly at each other's throats. Some people want endgame to be egalitarian and fair, others want it to be a gated community that keeps out the noobs by being extremely difficult. This is how it's always been in every MMORPG ever (it was like this when I played Meridian, and later Everquest) and human nature will ensure that it always remains this way.

Imo i feel this new 1500 item for empyrean is a step back for SE :( for a few reasons.

atm the drop rate is something like 1 in 5 (inc pouchs) meaning you need to do around 7000 runs

if on a good day you get a run done in 20 min it would take you 2333 hours to complete it if say you play this game 4 hours a day on average then your looking at 583 days to complete a weapon.

Now here's the question i have for SE and i really think it's a fair one.

Do you really feel it's healthy for a player to play Final fantasy for 30 hours a week for 2 years to obtain the upgrade from 90->95 ?


Anyway i can see the reasoning SE added this

1. To force people to do Voidwatch since nearly 50% of people have an emperyan so the content would be successful

2. To balance relics/mythics with empyreans.

With the first issue SE you need to look at the rates of drops on 1 chest per person considering you feel doubling the drop rate for 18 pple on a 1 chest system is fair when it really means it's nearly 9 x harder than if it was a shared pool

Which means eventually people that miss out on the drops won't get them since 18 people don't have the time for such a low drop rate for one person.

This is all VW/WoE stuff... and really should be addressed if you want to move people out of abyssea.

With 2 and this is where i feel you have overlooked something.

If you just made Relics/Mythics stronger and easier then you'd not annoy anyone infact you'd get people to keep playing ffxi.

But by making so only 10% of the people that have empyrean will be able to upgrade to a 95 version you have annoyed 90% of the people that have existing empyreans and to some extent the 10% that will eventually make the 95s prolly wouldn't be to happy about the time they invested to complete them. since the upgrade is so weak...)

I find it insulting that you ask me to put 1-2 years into weapon i have already made to 90 in a game i have put 6 years~ into already

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Originally Posted by Staren

Its not a duo its a trio. We'll give logs if you'd like to see. Its sad to think that two dncs and a thf can farm timers faster than a monk and a thf/dnc we normally finish and are pulling by 12 mins in. It doesnt take that much work. Kinda sad if you're only pulling 400 coins with 6 ppl. Have you not done CoP Dyna? Also I dont know if you're banned from BG an thus cant get the strategies but its all there on how to make that much coin/hr. Our dnc's pull and proc and the thf solo kills, and gets helped when we have more than 5 proc'd mobs at came. I dont know why you're having issues looking at our logs from last night we proc'd 122 mob and we proc'd more than one a minute and we were changing camps with the hours. Will gladly start posting for you though since you're having such a hard time.

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Why do you invoke BG every time you get called on the bullshit you claim ? BG startegies, really ? Dynamis has stategies ?? Pull, proc, kill lulz. All of a sudden your duo went to trio for one. For two you are saying that you proc in under a minute (which is extremely slow), because as I explained you need to proc and kill in less than 45 seconds as well as having treasure hunter 2 to get your 300 coins DUO, which is IMPOSSIBLE and is what you two claimed, so get your "facts" straight. Getting 300 coins DUO is not the same as getting 300 coins TRIO ... On top of that there are way to many issues with the CoP zones that will ruins your runs :

-- the 5th extension which randomly pops at one of the random 4 High levels beastmen camps. Crossing the zone looking for it will take up to 20 minutes.
-- BST soloers
-- other group farming
-- having to change camp due to this

Also I noticed that you laughed at my 400 coins per run with 6, probably because you think it is unefficient. Do you realise that your 3 fail jobs would pull 400 coins by doing 3 runs simultaneously on BST. There is a strategy for you and BG, be sure to post it, because apparently it was not brought yet to your knowledge that BST is the best ratio time/coins/number of jobs (and that has been the case for 6 months). The only reason for farming with more than 2 in dynamis is if you are at least dual boxing. Otherwise, BST or bust.

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Originally Posted by Rezeak

Now here's the question i have for SE and i really think it's a fair one.

Do you really feel it's healthy for a player to play Final fantasy for 30 hours a week for 2 years to obtain the upgrade from 90->95 ?

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They. Don't. Care.

But they certainly do care about keeping you paying 11.95 a month for the next 2 years. And lets be honest, you will do this.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

Not anymore. On the JP forums SE admitted that they ninja patched the currency drop rate in COP zones to match city zones with the Oct. 4'th maintenance.

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Is that true? Why do we not get this information. This JP only shit is starting to piss me off seriously. Small evidence toward this for me: did a 430 coins run before the patch, and now its 320-375 post patch, with the exact same strategy. Initially thought it was due to countercampers, but i noticed a tremendous decrease in 3x and 4x coin drops. Before patch I get 80 coins in a 20min window w/o counter campers, now i get only 60 ish.

Sorry, that post was made before we'd figured out the CoP Dynamis proc system. I pulled in 225 currency last night in Qufim, which has no good Byne monsters unless you're essentially solo in the zone. Pulling in 200~300 with 2-3 players isn't even 100 currency per hour per player though.

I pull in 200~250 every two hours with two characters and one player (me). A little over 2 mil per night on average. Toss in other random things I do for gil, and I'm making about 3mil per night average (~17-20 plates, averaging the prices I buy at). I expect supply to spike on the weekends.

Some servers have been reporting as low as 100k/plate already. Lakshmi is sitting pretty strong at 170-200k/plate.

I haven't noticed a change in coin drops.