Final Fantasy Vana'Diel Collection 3! (Now with Epic Items~)

Sigh, I'm honestly not surprised but yet again SE screws over its dedicated customers.

I don't understand why they'd be giving cool stuff like this to new players.... this game is so old the number of new players coming in is pretty small. Its the people that have been playing this game for years that have kept this game alive. It's not so much even the item that makes me angry, its more the way they keep chopping their addon game prices so quickly after their release that makes you feel completely ripped off for buying them as they came out.

Well the item doesn't make me that mad since its only below 30..

You know, to be fair about all this, the item is only level 1-30. Its use will last for only 1-30 and how long does it really take us to go from 1-30?

How many of us even need the skill up rate part of it? We're probably already capped from other jobs, depending on what the job is. Do we really need the movement speed? So on. It's nice perk stuff but it's not worth getting bent out of shape about. I think it's cool that SE does things like this. What I just don't like is the fact that if you've been playing Abyssea for the past year, you're being given a darn Prishe statue. We paid 30 bucks for the add ons. Here comes the collectors edition, and it's 20 bucks. And it gets a kick ass hat. Its uses are limited, but it's kick ass nonetheless. Much like the nexus cape. Much like all the other cool items SE has released in the past that not everyone can get a hold of because it wasn't 100% free gift to us in game. So whatever. I don't think I'll even bother getting the prishe statue. Now if it had been Shinryu.....

I suppose our reward for buying Abyssea was uh... Abyssea? Just sayin.

Where's my latent effect level 90 Hat SE?! We wanna run fast too. Why do we have to be so young on the game to have fun?! As someone said whining is counter productive; so fair enough SE, this isn't over!

I hope this helps new players out at least a little bit so they don't get so frustrated with the early levels, as we all did when we were tiny little noobs. So I am happy to see them not struggle so epicly boring as we did. But I also fear it will breed a new generation of Wow-esque players.

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Originally Posted by Kimble

If you have been playing for so long, id think all your jobs would at least be 30+.

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I raised all my jobs the old-fashioned way, no PL, No AF Burns, no key-whoring, when I had time off of work. So, you thought wrong. And, you probably think that everyone needs to key-whore their way to 90 or it just isn't fun.

Even then, 1-30 doesn't take long in TODAYS game so while the item is pretty neat, are way more useful for people just starting (which is why its an item give to people just buying the game) I don't see why the big fuss over this and why people act like its such a slap in the face to people who have been playing a long time.

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Originally Posted by Kimble

Even then, 1-30 doesn't take long in TODAYS game so while the item is pretty neat, are way more useful for people just starting (which is why its an item give to people just buying the game) I don't see why the big fuss over this and why people act like its such a slap in the face to people who have been playing a long time.

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It's more a matter of principle. I'm sure many of the older posters on this thread don't have any jobs under 31. So, it's most likely they don't want it for the utility aspect but because a lot of people try to collect as many items and gear as possible in the game. Especially, unique items like this one. I immediately started hunting down the Jesters Cap when it first came out. I haven't used it once. Although, I like to idle in it. I like cool looking items. I still have my Mushroom Helm, my Rain Hat, and my Luna Subligar. Plus, a ton of other useless stuff. I only tossed my Nadrs when I just couldn't hold one more item and started on the items for my Empy. I do every holiday activity and have all the items. I swap them into my MH for each holiday.

It never bothered me when I first started and people had gotten previous items which would not be offered again, like the Rabbit Stick. Sure, I wanted one but they are almost never for sale.

But, again, it comes down to principle.

As far as the 1 - 30, you are correct, it doesn't take that long anymore. But, being in an end-game shell, I don't have much time between getting off of work and the start of activities. They run pretty late. So, I don't level after them either. The weekends are when I usually work on leveling. But, it isn't unusual for someone to need help on something. Or, I slowly work on crafting, also.

Will it work on level synched? If so we still play around with it :D

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Originally Posted by Kimble

I don't see why the big fuss over this and why people act like its such a slap in the face to people who have been playing a long time.

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I'll sum it up for you: Mere weeks before Adventurer Appreciation, long time Adventurers are feeling woefully unappreciated.

I have no idea why SE did this o.o Its like a warning that "In the future, when a expantion/Add-on comes out, DONT BUY IT until the collectors addition comes out". It would be fine if all we got was "only" the Prishe statue, but giving a nice piece of item like this, only to the ones who buy a "Collecters addition" is just insulting... What where they thinking? >_>


Edit: Poor Dev trackersXD Prolly will have alot of reading coming up with all the disagreement ^_-

/toss Prishe statue.

The Prishe Statue misses the SE.

/sh <me> /angry!

SE readies Insult.

Gotterdammerung is insulted for 9999 points of damage.

I understand everyone's frustration, but seriously They're trying to attract new players, which is why the hat only works from lvl 1-30. That's why it's included in this collection. I could use the hat, but I can use the $20 better someplace else. Lot's of wailing and gnashing of teeth in this thread, oh and an overblown sense of entitlement from some posters.

Yeah, how dare we expect ethical business conduct from the person that gets our money on a regular basis. So indignant of us.

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

Yeah, how dare we expect ethical business conduct from the person that gets our money on a regular basis. So indignant of us.

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<3 Just <3 this ^_-

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

Yeah, how dare we expect ethical business conduct from the person that gets our money on a regular basis. So indignant of us.

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How are they being unethical? We pay the sub fees, they keep the servers up, that's the deal. Ya the same unethical SE that waived a month of service fees because they had to shut the servers down for 2 weeks because of a national disaster. Not charging monthly fees for for XIV until they get the game up to snuff. Oh, that's right, it's only unethical when you don't get something you want. My bad.

It's unethical when they give people something special for buying the same thing you did in a different package that would otherwise be virtually indistinguishable and basically is a not so subtle way asks their consumers to buy an exact copy of what they already have for reason. Stop being an apologist for bad business.

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Originally Posted by Coldbrand

It's unethical when they give people something special for buying the same thing you did in a different package that would otherwise be virtually indistinguishable and basically is a not so subtle way asks their consumers to buy an exact copy of what they already have for reason. Stop being an apologist for bad business.

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^ i think that this explains the feeling i got in my lower gut when i read about the new 11 bundle

So I guess no one had fun with abyssea the last like, 9 months its been out? lol

If you want a prime example of how this works, you can see it in any business. Take any store that provides some sort of merchandise and has an established clientele. Grocery stores are good examples. They use frequent buyer cards. The longer you stay, the more points you have, the more things you can get. New customers still get the discounts. But, they don't have the points to get other things, such as special items or special discounts. But, they will if they stick around. There's a reason that most businesses will hand long-time customers with a problem to the manager immediately.

The goal of any business is to keep long-time customers happy. The longer they are customers, the happier you try and make them. Because, they have a pattern of buying at your store. Also, when the competition comes along, you don't want your long time customers thinking they could get treated just as well, if not better, at your competitors.

The rule of thumb for business is you don't want to make loyal customers feel like they are lesser valued than new customers. I buy all my dog stuff at a small 'mom and pop' style store. They know me by name. While the store is well-stocked, there are occasions when they don't have something. Even though I know I could probably get it immediately, and maybe cheaper, at one of the pet super stores, I simply have them order it and wait a couple more days. Now, if I felt I was just a number to them or, they left me hanging because a new customer walked in, I'd be shopping at the pet super store. Probably not the first time they did it. Since, I would assume from our long relationship that there must have been a reason. But, after a couple displays of that, I wouldn't shop there anymore. And, if the roles were reversed, I'm guessing the new customer wouldn't be back a second time.

So, while a pet store and a game are two different things, the bottom line in business is that your long-time customers should never feel second best. And, in fact, your long-time customers should feel they get treated a step above a brand new patron. Especially, when the item you're giving your new customer costs you nothing to provide.

So, I guess, you all feel you should also be given any special event items that have been given for attending Vanfest, etc?

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Originally Posted by Kimble

So I guess no one had fun with abyssea the last like, 9 months its been out? lol

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You are so totally off-base it's ridiculous. Perhaps, if we had been given it for free and/or not charged to play, we really would have no basis for complaint. Instead, for nine months more than brand new people, we've been giving S/E money each month as well as paying full price for the add-ons.

Honestly, everyone KNEW they would offer it up as a bundle at some point as they have always done in the past.

This is no different then what any other MMO does. Get over it, dont like it? Don't buy it or quit the game.

Really, the item isnt really all that amazing so I don't know why everyone is so up in arms about it.

I find this offer to be complete and utter BS to all of us who have bought all of the content. Kinda feels like a FFXIV scenario where you target a new crowd but it doesn't work and in the end instead you should have thought about your loyal players rather then the people who will come and leave soon after.

I honestly think anyone who has bought all the Abyssea add-ons prior to this item being announced should get it.

And no I really have not had fun in Abyssea over the past 10 months.

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Originally Posted by Kimble

Honestly, everyone KNEW they would offer it up as a bundle at some point as they have always done in the past.

This is no different then what any other MMO does. Get over it, dont like it? Don't buy it or quit the game.

Really, the item isnt really all that amazing so I don't know why everyone is so up in arms about it.

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Yes they did but they NEVER added anything extra. Last time with add-ons it was the cape which everyone got so it is only fair that everyone should get the items.

Me, Me, Me , I deserve this. I put my time in. Blah Blah Blah. Its like being in the unemployment office. lol

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Originally Posted by Camate

...The Destrier Beret which is included when you purchase FINAL FANTASY XI ULTIMATE COLLECTION ABYSSEA EDITION is in fact a separate registration code, so even current players who already have these expansions/add-ons can obtain it by purchasing the new collection....

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I've lost interest reading the whole thread after what i've quoted above, but learn your lessons people, don't buy anything SE makes until they come out with a "ULTIMATE COLLECTION EDITION". That means any coming add-on or expansions, cause SE likes to screw their loyal customer who purchase their expansion/add-on on released date. If they want existing players to re-pay what they already got, maybe they should also throw in the 30 days free trial bonus AGAIN to existing players as well, then it will be fair. Maybe then, i'll consider re-purchacing it.

I guess even XIV won't be enjoyable until the "FFXIV ULTIMATE COLLECTION EDITION" is out, keep up the good work, SE. ;)

I like how playing the content its self for the past 9 months means nothing, lol.

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Originally Posted by Kimble

So I guess no one had fun with abyssea the last like, 9 months its been out? lol

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Originally Posted by Kimble

I like how playing the content its self for the past 9 months means nothing, lol.

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Do you plan to say anything worthwhile or just keep making the same post?

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Originally Posted by Kimble

I like how playing the content its self for the past 9 months means nothing, lol.

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Yes, and those 9 months wasn't free, I paid my monthly fees for the service. In fact, I paid for almost 8 years already!?

If you really want to compare it to something, compare to a cable service package. To get new customers, they offer services packages at a cheap bundle package as well as getting premium channels (HBO, Showtime, etc) free for 3 months.

Now if you call every time they do this and demand you get this for free as well since you have been a loyal customer for years, etc, you usually wont get it. You have been getting what you paid for the whole time, which is a service they are offering.

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Originally Posted by Kimble

If you really want to compare it to something, compare to a cable service package. To get new customers, they offer services packages at a cheap bundle package as well as getting premium channels (HBO, Showtime, etc) free for 3 months.

Now if you call every time they do this and demand you get this for free as well since you have been a loyal customer for years, etc, you usually wont get it. You have been getting what you paid for the whole time, which is a service they are offering.

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Okay, let's compare it. First, I got that when I first got cable. It's available to any new customer. So, I got the item already. Secondly, I call the cable company periodically to see what they can offer me. They always say "I see you've been with us for quite a while. Here's what I'm going to do for you." So, your example continues to reinforce what we've been saying. Old customers already got what the new customers get. And, long time customers get extra perks. Have anymore bad examples?

Have you actually tried that Kimble? I did with comcast and they gave me the new deal when i said ok im going to satellite. Kind of off topic, but yes that does work lol.

Well I guess if im wrong, call SE and say if they dont give you the hat, you will cancel your account and switch to another MMO.

But... but.. this is a FFXI forum, why would I wanna compare to cable plans!?

And before SE offering special items to ultimate collections, they should first roll out a loyal customer plan, where anyone account being activated for more than 3 consecutive years automatically gets up coming add-on/expansion in-game items or even monthly fee discount, and that discount increases 5% for every following years until cap at 20%. :D

Curious if anyone who can read Japanese has looked in their forums to see what kind of reaction, if any, they have had. They are a good gauge as to the direction this will go.

Wow so much rage over a hat that is useless once your job gets past the lvl 30 mark. Yes the buffs on this item is crazy, but at the same time i really wonder why you guys want it so much. Is the enchantment to turn into a chocobo that important? In many ways, i see this as a way for people who joined FFXI late can actually lvl since all lvling below 30 is mostly solo now. Past 30, the buff from it wears, but you can do abyssea (although a new guy wouldn't be able to keywhore right away). Beyond that, its just -1 inventory space. If this is really that big of a deal, you might as well ask for free chocobo hats, moogle rods, moogle hats, and moogle shields too since they were only available to certain people.

How about having all the melee jobs to level, and no movement+ gear at all, and no weapon skill levels since I've been leveling mages the past 9 years?

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Originally Posted by bungiefan

How about having all the melee jobs to level, and no movement+ gear at all, and no weapon skill levels since I've been leveling mages the past 9 years?

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Then lvl it the old fashioned way. As you have said, you have played the game for 9 years. So you have a general idea on how to play a DD job (unless through out all your time on FFXI you didnt pt with a single melee DD even once). Its easier then ever to lvl those jobs now with FoV.

The truth is producing a new package for XI and trying to sell it that does not make very good business sense, there aren't enough new players that will buy it to make it worthwhile. They need a way to make existing customers buy it too to boost sales figures, this allows them to not only make more money on XI but make it more viable to keep the game being sold in shops etc so that new/returning players get to see it on the shelves. Putting a stupid hat that people can be seen wearing will increase the sales by people rebuying the game when they already have it for the hat (collectors edition rules).

It's a cash grab basicallly but a totally legit one that most companies offer, if you don't like it don't buy it, the hat offers really nothing of value to most of us.

How would you sell a boxed expansion to PS2 users?

I find it funny a lot of people would post saying they wold give away 20 dollars to the Japan earthquake fund. At the same time when Se offers a complete collection with disks and manuals and a great sub 30 in game item that can probably be used level synch, all i see is:

Cry bitch complain steal extort ( hey martha call the lawyer we got a class action suit) You turds really are pathetic. Why dont you stop and turn your brains on for once and realize how ignorant and immature you really are when you start typing in this forum