A Ninja without Throwing...

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Originally Posted by Kuishen

Actually eventually you can hit perfect in this game because it is finite, unlike rl where everybody is imperfect, in this game once you obtain all the gear and skills that could possibly pertain to a job then you are perfect. Granted the game is designed to make that take a very long time but it's still possible.

So no, in this game, when dealing with a single job there won't always be somebody better than you. The same level as you sure, but not better.

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Yea, exactly. Because you're both just standing in 1 spot, mashing a couple of the same macro's, in the same gear, and you both look exactly the SAME... did I say same?

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Originally Posted by Kuishen

Part of the definition is knowing what not to do because it isn't efficient, and throwing isn't efficient. Therefore if you're using throwing you are not being "the best". End of story.

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Example: Two Ninja's, exact same gear, exact same merits, etc, etc. Fighting a magic resistant boss... The boss starts flying... One Ninja, switches to his ranged attack gear, and to shuriken, doing damage to the boss while its in flight... The other Ninja stands around waiting for the boss to land, because he just wants to melee it.

Which Ninja is doing more damage?

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Originally Posted by Kuishen

Your arguments about morals and all that other bullshit do not apply to a game that deals with absolute numbers.

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Since when did I pay $12.95 a month to play a freaking MUD?

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Originally Posted by Kuishen

If you are doing less damage than you could be doing, then you are being inefficient and wasting everybody's time during an event. There's no room for morals in that formula.

Again, calling you out on the fact that you complained about casuals yet you are the textbook definition of one. Saying this in a nicer way so as to not get my post edited. Please kindly leave; while there is room in this game for casuals, there isn't room for you spewing your white-knight bullshit on useless outdated ability that nobody cares about anymore, except for you. It can't possibly be fixed because of in-game limitations and balance issues, therefore, leave it alone.

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Um... Would you like me to post screens of my playtime? I bet it's even more than you. Of course this is pre-abyssea playtime. Since then, I haven't been playing because it's boring and easy, with atma's that give you stat boosts through the roof.

The biggest mistake Square-Enix ever made, was firing the guy who was the lead developer of Chains of Promathia. Done and Done.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

And maybe if you were better at ninja, and bothered to learn how the game worked instead of wishing it worked differently, you could solo your kannagi instead of pleeding with people to do it for you. I solo'd half of mine at 85, I'm sure you could do it even easier at 90.

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I actually don't do that. But according to your motto "faster is better", then it would help to have an LS wipe my arse, so I can get a really cooool looking weapon that I don't really give a crap about. Heck, it could be a gnarly tree branch with thorns on it, so long as it does good damage, then it will make me happy right?

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Originally Posted by Akujima

Yea, exactly. Because you're both just standing in 1 spot, mashing a couple of the same macro's, in the same gear, and you both look exactly the SAME... did I say same?



Since when did I pay $12.95 a month to play a freaking MUD?



Um... Would you like me to post screens of my playtime? I bet it's even more than you. Of course this is pre-abyssea playtime. Since then, I haven't been playing because it's boring and easy, with atma's that give you stat boosts through the roof.

The biggest mistake Square-Enix ever made, was firing the guy who was the lead developer of Chains of Promathia. Done and Done.

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Because of how easy af3 is to get and seeing as how it's the best right now, yeah you're gonna look the same, later on when they add more shit for the hardcore players it won't be as bad. But yes I agree that I hate looking like the same as everybody else, but there's a reason for that, and that is because the gear is good.

Have you ever played a MUD? Because they have a lot less numbers and a lot more RPing, something you should prolly switch to if that's how you want to play.

Playtime has nothing to do with being a casual you twat. Yeah sure you may have been playing longer than me but I guarantee you I'm better geared and more skilled at my jobs than you will ever be with this kind of retarded attitude you keep spewing all over these forums.

CoP was terrible gameplay-wise, I have no clue why you are bringing this up, way to dodge all arguments again.

Okay, Really. First off, Play-time has nothing to do with Intelligence, Skill, or knowing what you're talking about. Some of the biggest idiots I know in the game always fall back on "I've played longer so I'm right" as their argument when their Stupid Is exposed.

You are being completely hypocritical. You are bickering and complaining about NIN's throwing not being strong enough(AKA ISNT DOING ENOUGH DAMAGE) , While in turn ranting about how no one cares about anything but Damage, even going so far as to compare this game to a FPS. Hypocritical

You're only argument for wanting this Role-play Narutard Bullcrap Throwing to be useful is that it was there in other games at that it NIN's by job should be RP Shuriken Throwers. By this logic, Ninja Gaiden includes Multiple weapons, Including Giant scythes... IDK about you but the Hayabusa clan was boss, Why aren't you complaining NIN doesn't have A+ Scythe Skill? In Ninja Gaiden he did.

IN past FF Games Ninja's could throw any weapon, So why limit it to Shuriken? How come i can toss my kanagi at the Enemy and permanently lose it like in past FF Games? It happened in other Final Fantasy games, I should be able to throw my Weapon and lose it forever with the chance of whiffing.

Past FF games were Turn based RPGs, FFXI is a Realtime MMORPG, They are so Fundamentally different comparing them is insane. Past FF games throwing was good because no matter what, You were attacking ONCE PER TURN. in FFXI, Things like Math, haste, Dual Wield, Etc all come into Play. These two types of games are fundamentally different, and unfortunately how FFXI is programmed Ranged-Attacks interrupt Melee Attacks, and create a action delay between your next attack. That and Shurikens barely give any TP at all.

SE gave Ninja a throwing skill for the reason you described, NIN had Throwing in the past, It made sense to give them Shuriken and Throwing. HOWEVER, It was obvious it was meant to be nothing more than Mediocre-Side Damage at early levels. You can stlil throw Shuriken Even if they're not great damage. You're Allowed to Roleplay.

Its your terrible arguments, Your bad excuses, your hypocritcal attitude, that is causing this negative Attention. We don't care if you Roleplay NIN, We don't care if you run around throwing Shurikens and making Naruto Macros. Just don't try to force your tired, played out, Gimp perspective on NIN like we're the wrong ones for playing the job right.

We do not hate you, I don't even entirely hate the idea of NIN's being able to utilize throwing more, its just that NIN is not designed to be the King of Ranged attacks in this game like he was in past games. we have Ranger for this. There is no reasonable non-game-breaking-way, logical way to buff NIN's throwing to a point it would be useful.

By all means, Sange every second its up, but don't act like we're the idiots or bad guys just because we don't want to RP like you.

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Originally Posted by Kuishen

CoP was terrible gameplay-wise, I have no clue why you are bringing this up, way to dodge all arguments again.

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I'm guessing you were one of those who cried about how difficult it was to get your Rajas Ring back when CoP first came out?

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Originally Posted by Akujima

I'm guessing you were one of those who cried about how difficult it was to get your Rajas Ring back when CoP first came out?

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Again you just dodge all reasonable arguments and try to insult people. No, I wasn't playing when CoP came out. I got my Rajas after they had nerfed it once or twice. The stupid restrictions on certain battlefields and other dumb shit that they put in just to cockblock people instead of adding real challenges was what I was referring to. Try harder next time.

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Originally Posted by Akujima

I'm guessing you were one of those who cried about how difficult it was to get your Rajas Ring back when CoP first came out?

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I love how you completely ignore everything said to you because you know you cannot argue against logic and math.
And if I had to guess, Kuishen is a knowledgeable player, the type of person who would read about missions or figure them out, and devise good strategies for how to win, and actually beat them. You on the other hand, are very bad at math and strategy in general. I would say he had a much better probability of beating CoP before you did.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Karbuncle saying alot of stuff, defending the current system, with the usual "Naruto-Jab" tossed in there.

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So then go scout out other threads and bash their ideas, because you obviously like the way the game currently is.

But... What the hell are you doing on the forums and not playing?

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Originally Posted by Kuishen

Again you just dodge all reasonable arguments and try to insult people. No, I wasn't playing when CoP came out. I got my Rajas after they had nerfed it once or twice. The stupid restrictions on certain battlefields and other dumb shit that they put in just to cockblock people instead of adding real challenges was what I was referring to. Try harder next time.

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So you think "cockblocking" is just an annoyance rather than a challenge?

So then go scout out other threads and bash their ideas, because you obviously like the way the game currently is.

But... What the hell are you doing on the forums and not playing?

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Originally Posted by Akujima

So then go scout out other threads and bash their ideas, because you obviously like the way the game currently is.

But... What the hell are you doing on the forums and not playing?

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If you don't like the game so much, why are you even here?

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

You on the other hand, are very bad at math and strategy in general. I would say he had a much better probability of beating CoP before you did.

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Do you even know why they fired the developer for CoP? Because all the Non-JP players were crying and leaving the game because "CoP is too difficult!, Heaven forbid we have to think!"

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Originally Posted by Akujima

Do you even know why they fired the developer for CoP? Because all the Non-JP players were crying and leaving the game because "CoP is too difficult!, Heaven forbid we have to think!"

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Did you even play when CoP missions were introduced? It was way to hard.
BTW I beat them all before they were nerfed in any way.

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Originally Posted by Akujima

So then go scout out other threads and bash their ideas, because you obviously like the way the game currently is.

But... What the hell are you doing on the forums and not playing?

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These forums aren't only for perople who hate everything about FFXI because it doesn't mimic Ability-for-Ability the other FF Games.

Those of us who happen to like how the game plays, but still enjoy the idea of being a part of how it improves can also post here, this isn't a forum designed to just whine and complain and cry because people disagree with you.

I'm sorry but not every idea is a good one, I don't like everything about the game, But i certainly don't enjoy the idea of people like you giving SE the idea NIN's want Dual Wield nerfed so they can RP with Shurikens more.

Seriously, I'm starting to see why this thread is going on so long, all you do is completely dodge any reasonable argument and make stupid attempts and insulting people. You seriously have not offered 1 good reasonable suggestion for improving Throwing. The one you did would not make NIN's throwing any more useful at all.

Look, I don't see why you can't seem to grasp the idea that not every game needs some stupid cliche of a Ninja being some dark Shuriken throwing master of everything. Yes, Throwing in past FF was great, in FFXI it isn't, And there is absolutely no possible way outside of absolutely breaking everything we know about current Haste/Ranged Mechanics that will ever change this.

Deal with it.

And move on. If you don't like it, Go play another game. Or change jobs. This is reality, Reality isn't always a kind mistress, Sometimes you have to accept the thing you like will never be useful.

My favorite job is THF, you think i enjoy the fact that 99% of the community thinks outside of Abyssea all we're good for is Treasure Hunter? No. But I've actually suggested reasonable non-gamebreaking related ways to improve this, and if they don't get added, I'm not going to spend my entire day in a forum whinning my THF isn't RP'ing an Assassin and being able to 1-hit K.O Anything with Sneak Attack. And i certainly would not resort to insulting or name-calling anyone who disagrees with me.

Go look at my Personal Pet thread in the BST forums, Some people disagreed with my points, Did i call them names and belittle them? no, I addressed their points and respected their opinion the subject.

You do not respect any opinion but your own, and call anyone who disagrees with you random names and you dodge any counter-argument with insults.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

If you don't like the game so much, why are you even here?

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I used to like it.

Now when I step into Abyssea, I feel like I'm in a shopping mall filled with angry rioters, trampling over people trying to get their next piece of gear.

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Originally Posted by Akujima

Please tell me which other Final Fantasy games you have played? Explain in which of those that "Throwing" was not a key feature to the Ninja Job or a Ninja-like Character?

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Final Fantasy. Yes, the original. Ninjas didn't throw anything, they cast black magic. Not Ninjutsu versions, actual Black Magic spells.

Final Fantasy VII, though arguable. Granted, she uses a shuriken and throws it, but that's just her attack animation. This is only throwing in the graphical sense, not in the sense that Ninjas from other games throw stuff. It can be done by equipping the "Throw" Materia, but since every character can also equip this Materia, it doesn't really count as it's not specific to Ninja-like people (Yuffie).

Final Fantasy XII (International version, as the normal has no "jobs").

Final Fantasy XII Revenent Wings.

And to sum up this thread.

Don't bother posting idea's. Because there will always be those slick program savvy zealots, ready to defend themselves in gangs.

ahh, screw it, im out...

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Originally Posted by Akujima

And to sum up this thread.

Don't bother posting idea's. Because there will always be those slick program savvy zealots, ready to defend themselves in gangs.

ahh, screw it, im out...

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Wow, so you not only dodge out on when people try to provide logic and sound reasoning and math, but you ALSO dodge out and ignore posts that directly do what you asked? You asked what other FF games didn't have Throwing as a key feature of Ninjas, and I provided it, and you even ignored that!?

Wow. I'm actually surprised about that one. Not entirely sure why, in retrospect.

There are DOZENS Of threads on this Forum with Great, Well Thought out Ideas that are getting a lot of positive feed back, From Players and Devs a like.

You're Idea is Not Well Thought out at all. All you did was say "Ninjas are suppose to be Shuriken Throwers, I want to RP with Shurikens, FFXI Sucks and i can't Throw things good, Fix it now"

I'm Paraphrasing. Its not that this community Isn't opened to Ideas, Its that your idea was nothing more than a longer "Hordecore" post. It offered no solutions, Just a "I hate this, Fix it" type structure.

This Community does not hate nor insult good, Well thought out, Creative ways to improve the game. Yours is none of this. You have no offered in 10 pages 1 Single, Coherent, Non-Game Breaking reasonable solution to the problem at hand.

The one you offered before would not change anything about how Ninja is played, and it felt like you just came up with it in 20 seconds while you responded.

We as a community love nothing more than to think of wonderful ways to improve our gaming experience, You're entitled to that as much as we are. However you need to be able to accept criticism as well, not everyone will agree with your idea.

Think things out first. You're receiving the same criticism in every single thread, its not that they dislike you, its simply the idea of Improving throwing is nearly impossible.

Can't believe nobody mentioned this, but when a mob is flying, a NIN would likely be better off casting Ninjutsu nukes on it, rather than throwing shurikens.

And before guy says otherwise, I provided source in my previous post about how it is cannonical for Ninjas to be able to cast nukes, Ninjutsu or otherwise.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

There are DOZENS Of threads on this Forum with Great, Well Thought out Ideas that are getting a lot of positive feed back, From Players and Devs a like.

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Ok, so you made the decision for me. Great.

I'm done, there's no point anymore. I'm just being tag-teamed and pummeled into the ground by the same posts of "it can't be done, forget about it" over and over again.

Idea's are there to be expanded upon, but in your first post, you basically closed the book without even trying to discuss it further, and then just made silly tags and called me a Naruto lover.

Here's to you.

Still haven't addressed my post, guy.

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Originally Posted by Akujima

Ok, so you made the decision for me. Great.

I'm done, there's no point anymore. I'm just being tag-teamed and pummeled into the ground by the same posts of "it can't be done, forget about it" over and over again.

Idea's are there to be expanded upon, but in your first post, you basically closed the book without even trying to discuss it further, and then just made silly tags and called me a Naruto lover.

Here's to you.

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I had nothing to do with the tags, Though i find them rather hilarious.

You really Just don't seem to get it. You've offered nothing. You've provided no means to a solution for your own wants. You just said "Its broken, Fix it" and when people say "Thats impossible" instead of going "no its not, Heres how" you say

"YOU'RE JUST TOO STUPID YOU CANT THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX YOU'RE A STUPID NA BLAH BLAH JP CULTURE BLAH"

You have done nothing but insult Every person who has a different opinion from you, and have offered nothing constructive from point 1.

My Half-hearted Joking-attempt at giving NIN a 300DMG Shuriken is more of a positive step in this threads direction than Anything you have posted across all of the threads regarding NIN and Sange or Throwing.

You have offered Absolutely no reasonable Solution to fix the problem, and just continue to Insult others for not being able to think of a solution. You are hypocritical to a Fault.

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Originally Posted by Akujima

Do you even know why they fired the developer for CoP? Because all the Non-JP players were crying and leaving the game because "CoP is too difficult!, Heaven forbid we have to think!"

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Please site any, and I mean ANY factual basis for these claims. Not the usual "I read somewhere that _____." I want to see a link or a properly sited reference that I can look up.

And for the love of god learn your facts. Go research "Ninja" and base your "Role Playing" on facts. If anything you ARE getting your wish granted. Your ninjustsu tools and "Spells" are exactly what you're asking for dude... The use of ranged attacks, were used as an "opening move" or in cases when you weren't of the opponent's focus. It wasn't something you kept doing. In this game you actually fight pretty realistically (Within reason) you can use stars to pull, then once you have your opponent in combat, you engage them and use weapons, traps, and tools to disarm, impede, and subdue them.

Now stop with this madness. You're trying to convince people to use knives to fell trees... While you can, and currently have the tools to do so, it's much easier and widely accepted to use an axe; and we don't care that you read stories about the "Great Knife Lumberjacks", we have a job to do.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

I had nothing to do with the tags, Though i find them rather hilarious.

You really Just don't seem to get it. You've offered nothing. You've provided no means to a solution for your own wants. You just said "Its broken, Fix it" and when people say "Thats impossible" instead of going "no its not, Heres how" you say

"YOU'RE JUST TOO STUPID YOU CANT THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX YOU'RE A STUPID NA BLAH BLAH JP CULTURE BLAH"

You have done nothing but insult Every person who has a different opinion from you, and have offered nothing constructive from point 1.

My Half-hearted Joking-attempt at giving NIN a 300DMG Shuriken is more of a positive step in this threads direction than Anything you have posted across all of the threads regarding NIN and Sange or Throwing.

You have offered Absolutely no reasonable Solution to fix the problem, and just continue to Insult others for not being able to think of a solution. You are hypocritical to a Fault.

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Oh man this gave me a good laugh.

But you have to admit, it was a great thread and fun while it lasted eh?

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Originally Posted by Fiarlia

Still haven't addressed my post, guy.

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How about all FF's that NIN do have throwing? FF tactics, FF3, FF4, FF6. Yuffie technically doesn't have a "Throw" command (isnt there a throw materia?... idk havent played 7 in so long), but she's still Ninja-like and still throwing something ALL the time.

Anyways whatever, my strong opinion offends you, so I'm sorry I'm not just like you, I apologize for being different^^

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Originally Posted by Akujima

How about all FF's that NIN do have throwing? FF tactics, FF3, FF4, FF6. Yuffie technically doesn't have a "Throw" command (isnt there a throw materia?... idk havent played 7 in so long), but she's still Ninja-like and still throwing something ALL the time.

Anyways whatever, my strong opinion offends you, so I'm sorry I'm not just like you, I apologize for being different^^

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No, Whats funny is that fia and you yourself, With that post, Just proved that Final Fantasy Series has not always given Ninjas a Strong Vital Throwing Ability.

So why does it matter if FFXI's NIN is more like FFVII instead of the one in Final Fantasy Tactics?

I can see though you've noticed that your suggestion was terrible and not thought out at all, And have just resorted to bad trolling and acting nonchalant about the entire thing.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

No, Whats funny is that fia and you yourself, With that post, Just proved that Final Fantasy Series has not always given Ninjas a Strong Vital Throwing Ability.

So why does it matter if FFXI's NIN is more like FFVII instead of the one in Final Fantasy Tactics?

I can see though you've noticed that your suggestion was terrible and not thought out at all, And have just resorted to bad trolling and acting nonchalant about the entire thing.

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oooOOoo, why so serious? You think I'm backing out? I'm just bored and I have better things to do then study algorithms of current game mechanics, and argue with zealots all day on forums.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

I can see though you've noticed that your suggestion was terrible and not thought out at all, And have just resorted to bad trolling and acting nonchalant about the entire thing.

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Seems like the only way to feel comfortable with getting your point across, is to totally null and void others, make them feel bad about themselves and instill your sense if hierarchy upon them. Which is another reason why I'm tired of this trash talk session, where all of you get your panties in a bunch and can't have a sense of humor, because the most important thing you need to attend to, is your ego.

I said I was done a few posts ago, find another thread to infiltrate and eliminate.

Perhaps I struck a chord, is that why you're still here? Either that or you're enamored by how someone who doesn't share every single viewpoint of the western world, could have such a fine grasp of the English language?

Oh i get it now. You're just a Racist Weaboo. It all makes sense now.

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Originally Posted by Akujima

oooOOoo, why so serious? You think I'm backing out? I'm just bored and I have better things to do all day then study algorithms of current game mechanics, and argue with zealots all day on forums.

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So 2 + 2 = Studying Algorithms? i'm sorry but understanding the fundamentals between haste is nothing higher than 3rd Grade Math.

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Originally Posted by Akujima

Seems like the only way to feel comfortable with getting your point across, is to totally null and void others, make them feel bad about themselves and instill your sense if hierarchy upon them. Which is another reason why I'm tired of this trash talk session, where all of you get your panties in a bunch and can't have a sense of humor, because the most important thing you need to attend to, is your ego.

I said I was done a few posts ago, find another thread to infiltrate and eliminate.

Perhaps I struck a chord, is that why you're still here? Either that or you're enamored by how someone who doesn't share every single viewpoint of the western world, could have such a fine grasp of the English language?

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And yet you continue to post. more Hypocrisy! you're saying why do i keep responding, When you're doing the exact same thing! Your Hypocrisy and whiny rants are delicious.

I don't go around shooting peoples ideas down randomly to stroke some E-peen like you seem to think. I'd tell you to go look around at my posts, But its apparent you don't do any research as you're way to busy hating western Culture and pretending to be productive.

I'm always open to Ideas, offer constructive Criticism, Or add to the Post in a meaningful way. You're idea was just bad, you didn't even present an Idea, You offered no Solution, You simply said "I hate this, Fix it"

So Want me to cycle through your posts?

Insults.
Insults.
More Insults.
Insisting you're right with Insults.

So do go on, Continue to be a typical standard NA hating Racist. So yes, Your particular brand of Hypocritical idiocy does "Strike a cord' With me. You don't have any idea what you're talking about, and you hate without reason, and you complain without offering solutions.

and when ANYONE shows even the slightest hint of having a different opinion from you, You insult them for it. You even result to mocking an entire culture based on forum posts.

You, In closing, Hate without reason, Complain without a Solution, and insult without a purpose. You offer no productive conversation and deny and reject any who's opinions are separate from yours.

I at least humored the idea of improving throwing some point in this thread, Which is more than I Can say about you, as you simply adamantly refuse to accept that Throwing is obsolete and un-repairable without nerfing something, or buffing it into broken-ville.

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And yet you continue to post. more Hypocrisy! you're saying why do i keep responding, When you're doing the exact same thing! Your Hypocrisy and whiny rants are delicious.

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Oh, cmon. I think you're enjoying it.

And I'll take that "Nonchalant" comment as a compliment.

You know, I actually have a good idea.

If you hate us Western cultures so much, Why not go present your Idea to the JP Forums? See how they respond.

Seems like a good idea.

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I'm done, there's no point anymore.

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oooOOoo, why so serious? You think I'm backing out? I'm just bored and I have better things to do all day then study algorithms of current game mechanics, and argue with zealots all day on forums.

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How many more posts are you going to make after you claimed you were done with this thread, and had better things to do?

Sorry it took me so long to get back to you, had to go kill Odin real quick with 8 people, cause I actually have other stuff to do. Off to go work on my friends Ochain now~

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Originally Posted by Akujima

How about all FF's that NIN do have throwing? FF tactics, FF3, FF4, FF6.

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I never said that there aren't FF games that do what you're citing. You asked for someone to prove that FF games without Ninjas having a Throw command being one of their key points. I did exactly that. Hell, I even admitted that FFVII is a bit of a gray area, though the Throwing of Yuffie is merely an aesthetic Throwing, not a gameplay mechanic.

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Originally Posted by Akujima

Yuffie technically doesn't have a "Throw" command (isnt there a throw materia?... idk havent played 7 in so long), but she's still Ninja-like and still throwing something ALL the time.

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Not sure at all why you're mentioning this and trying to bring it up as a counterpoint because I already mentioned it in my post. Yes, it has a Throw command Materia, but since everyone can equip every Materia, it's not a key feature of the Ninja class or closest representation of it in the game in question (the characters appear to have jobs, but they're all exactly the same aside from Limit Breaks and stats). We could argue this point on semantics, as I'll acknowledge that in the terms of role-playing, Yuffie is a Ninja and throws a Shuriken during battle. But as far as gameplay is concerned she isn't throwing squat, her damage would be exactly the same and she would play exactly the same if she was wielding a Kunai or two. And I acknowledged this in my initial post, though in less words.

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Originally Posted by Akujima

Anyways whatever, my strong opinion offends you, so I'm sorry I'm not just like you, I apologize for being different^^

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Your opinion offends me? Nope. Actually, if there were a way to make Shuriken tossing viable in FFXI, I'd be all over it. I loved throwing Shurikens in the lower levels when the damage was roughly that of a GAX and the delay roughly that of a dagger, when Haste gear and the spell(s) weren't readily available. I honest to goodness loved it, and I miss it. But do you know what I'd miss more? Not doing good damage and playing a job to the fullest of its ability. Sorry to say, but this does not include flinging shurikens at mobs. And unless they do something utterly and stupidly ridiculous like adding new shurikens that are easy to come by that have retardedly massive damage (and I mean an unrealistic number for a shuriken - going against the RP mentaility, as it'd be completely out of the realm of feasibly possible), there's absolutely no way to make it viable. Not with the way the game mechanics currently work. And if they were to change the game mechanics, I'd much rather them use that time and effort (yes, it would take lots of both to make it happen) to do something more worthwhile, like make Ninja better on mobs that aren't comparatively weak - and Throwing skill isn't the way it would happen. No, I'd love it if it were feasible, but sometimes you just gotta realize that what you want can't happen.

The only part of you that I find offensive is basically what Krabknuckle is pointing out. You're quick to rage, quick to insult, quick to pull the RL card and call people fat/ugly/stupid. You're racist. You're stupidly hypocritical. You don't listen to logic or reason. You don't listen to math (which is something that's not under the scrutiny of opinion). Basically, you whine and complain and act like a total dickwad towards anyone who disagrees. You're throwing the internet equivalent of a combination of a grade schooler learning how to call people bad names, a two-year old throwing a "terrible two's" tantrum, and a high-schooler that thinks they know everything and listen to nobody. Stop your bitching and grow the fuck up.

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Originally Posted by Fiarlia

The only part of you that I find offensive is basically what Krabknuckle is pointing out. You're quick to rage, quick to insult, quick to pull the RL card and call people fat/ugly/stupid. You're racist. You're stupidly hypocritical. You don't listen to logic or reason. You don't listen to math (which is something that's not under the scrutiny of opinion). Basically, you whine and complain and act like a total dickwad towards anyone who disagrees. You're throwing the internet equivalent of a combination of a grade schooler learning how to call people bad names, a two-year old throwing a "terrible two's" tantrum, and a high-schooler that thinks they know everything and listen to nobody. Stop your bitching and grow the fuck up.

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I'm sorry I couldn't finish reading this last part of your post. I was too busy lauging my ass off, as soon as my eye caught glimpse of that Riker and Picard pic in your sig, which I will give you props for.


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Not too surprising, since you've been failing to read pretty much everything anyone has been saying anyway, so at least you're par for the course, right?

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

Yes, Throwing in past FF was great, in FFXI it isn't, And there is absolutely no possible way outside of absolutely breaking everything we know about current Haste/Ranged Mechanics that will ever change this.

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So I overlooked the whole forums. And...

It all pretty much comes down to the "min/max'ers" ruling the game and making the decisions. And that would be the main reason "such and such" would/could and should never be implemented. Simply because they say so (The numbers don't add up).

So, I urge thee not to indulge in the right of free speech, lest you be stricken with grief from your fellow LS mates, whom abide by the code of logic, and will do everything and stop at nothing, to run your dreams of change and creative thought into the ground, armed with the almighty weapon of mathematics.

Alas I warn thee, for not only do these nomadic creatures travel in packs, but call for aid often! You will soon be surrounded by swarms of them, banded together, aiding one another in the plot to twist your own words against you.

So, in the end my friend... Take caution when around these persistent predators. For should you be foolish enough to speak your mind, would only spell doom, and to shy away from this fact of the dreary "min/max'er", would be like sealing the nail on your own coffin.

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How's that for some biblical RP $#!% ???

rah rah fight da powah. Awful lotta hipster rage up in here.

It's also not hard to "Twist your own words against you" when your own words don't do jack shit to support your case. Rather, that's assuming you had a case to begin with. Your opponents in this thread have offered better Shuriken solutions than you have (Not hard, since you haven't offered any), and even they acknowledge them to be wholly broken.

Instead of going off on another tangent trying to insult anyone who disagrees with you or raving about "free speech" and "thinking outside the box", or whatnot, try coming up with a single real counterpoint or idea beyond "Nerf the shit out of NIN and turn it into COR-1".

If you don't care how much damage one deals, then you don't need a Throwing buff. Period.

If you do care how much damage one deals, then you need to provide a Throwing buff that is both possible within the existing mechanics of the game and can at least respectably stand up to Melee damage. Good luck with that though. Karb and I have both tried, and it doesn't look good at all.

@Akujima;

Like you're post man, simply love them. ;) It's nice to see some player who still like the RPG part of the FFXI game. I'm agree with you, will be nice to se shuriken come back in FFXI for Ninja.

Want speed? Snap shot was acting like haste for Ranged weapon. so why not having snap shot for shuriken... Give us shuriken for lv 90 and we almost seted. why not some effect shuriken like bolt or arrow?

Think ppl will leave RNG for that? in the last new, with all the argue how sucky the shuriken is and OMG we should boost our melee combat... You still playing NIN over WAR or MNK no? And I think they are waaaaay stronger than NIN so far... As I know, PPL are still playing PLD now and they work hard to prove they still good for tanking when MNK and NIN took the #1 and #2 place for tank.

To all other who like to bash on Akujima: I have nothing to say cause what ever I will say, unless I say the same thing, you won't like it neway.

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Originally Posted by Darwena

I'm not good at English, but I like throwing and want it made better

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Here's the problem with throwing, I doubt you saw it.

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Originally Posted by wish12oz

I'm gonna spell this out for you, try not to get lost, read it til you get it.
Manji Shuriken have a 192 delay.
Kannagi+Kamome have a combined (210+180) 390 delay.
When you hit the delay reduction cap of 80%, this becomes a new delay of 78.
78+78=156, you get slightly more then 2 melee attacks rounds per throw.(throwing delay is 192)
with apoc, /war, brutal, eponas you have triple attack+18%, double attack+18%, which means 54% of the time, you get an extra attack per melee round.
So at +54% melee attacks per round, every time you attack, you get 1 extra attack, because you attack twice every round.
you get slightly more then 2 attack rounds per throw, you get 3 attacks per round.
Your throwing damage needs to be slightly better then 6 melee attacks and give as much tp as 6 melee attacks to be on par with just meleeing.
Throwing comes no where near either of these 2 things, and never will, it's impossible unless they make haste affect ranged attacks.

Argue against me, go ahead.

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How exactly do you think throwing can overcome meleeing?

Don't care if will be better or not, but sometime I prefer using throwing (mob with high spike armor) than melee to give me a break since I solo/duo 90% of time.

I dont hargue than melee sux again shuriken, I just want new shuriken... nothing wrong had having new stuff no?