Mog Wardrobe 3&4 feedback.

I always thought that the Login Points system was their way of figuring out how much they should charge in the cash shop for various items after going free-to-play. I would have put money on that being their big announcement last year.

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Originally Posted by Deirdre

Yes, but with the current population in XI, I would venture to say that even a fairly small amount caring could have some rather dramatic effect on some servers if well known players leave.

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If they can't find ways to make this game with a small playerbase profitable it will close anyway. Sad fact of life is that if something isn't making decent profits they have to look at other avenues to improve it, or close.

The sword of Damocles hangs over this game at every quarterly financial report. There is a reason every mmorpg on the market that has a sub has optional items, it's not because they are greedy.

If they actually do go back on this decision I will say this games life span will be cut drastically and will probably be the final nail in its coffin, the fact they are looking at ways to make it more profitable is a plus and not a negative.

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Originally Posted by Loris

Chiming in to say that I unsubbed today, for the final time, after 12 years of on/off play. Its not specifically the fee for Wardrobes 3 & 4, its the slippery slope that this starts with cash shop nonsense.

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Obviously it's your choice to unsubscribe at any time for any reason... I would only like to say, my opinion, is that I do not believe the cash shop system is nonsense... it's actually financially sound as a way in which a game that has as many years and as much anchored content as FFXI currently has, searches for ways in which to keep the servers running without having to implement means which would REQUIRE the current player base to pay more. So I welcome these types of changes... because without these types of changes, the adjustments we continue to cry about "job balancing... etc." become moot, since the game would probably end.

Why do people keep saying this is to make the game stay alive and/or increase profit.... last i checked when they got rid of PS2/XBox support they cut 2/3 of the support this game needed as they wouldn't have to maintain 3 different platforms of this game.

This is an awful move by SE (IMO), but at the same time - I understand why it has been done in the case of FFXI. Anything that assists the game in staying alive longer is okay by me. So long as it doesn't turn into "pay2win".

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Originally Posted by Eaglestrike

Pretty sure Abyssea was created as a "last hurrah" for the game and nothing more was supposed to come.

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No. Not at all.

When they decide the game isn't profitable anymore they will post a message to the players, stating that the game will shut down in a few months time. There will be no discussions with the players, petitions will be ignored and all that will be left will be to make memorial videos of the last few moments before the servers are shut down for the final time as we all stand around in port jeuno and wait for the final "you have been disconnected from the server".

I think none of played CoH and knew the heartache of a game played for many, many years closing and all attempts to save it being in vein.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-BUtqOaub8s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xpu2hcNDMcE

People are mainly worried about a slippery slope it seems? Big picture, if this game doesn't make enough money it won't be around to worry about other micro transactions.

There is a difference between being on a crusade against micro transactions on a game like xiv where you know they won't shut it down and on xi where it's in its twilight years and has to justify it's existence to the people who hand out the money.

SE... My wife and I love FFXI and have been paying you a pretty penny to play it over the last 11 or so years. (Myself and 6 mules, my wife and 5 mules and an alt account with its own mule for the last several years, so (12.95*3)+12 so I figure I've paid you over $6000 not even counting the game 3x plus expansions 3x...

That said, I find it disturbing you're trying to extort more money from me... really?

Reconsider the flawed decision to extort more money from us.... Frankly you should be LOWERING the monthly fees for a game with only minor updates, rather than raising rates... Raising rates?... Really angry to be honest.

I'll tell you what. I will pay you more money per month when you agree to make another full expansion, before that, you're delusional!

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Originally Posted by Castanica

If they can't find ways to make this game with a small playerbase profitable it will close anyway. Sad fact of life is that if something isn't making decent profits they have to look at other avenues to improve it, or close.

The sword of Damocles hangs over this game at every quarterly financial report. There is a reason every mmorpg on the market that has a sub has optional items, it's not because they are greedy.

If they actually do go back on this decision I will say this games life span will be cut drastically and will probably be the final nail in its coffin, the fact they are looking at ways to make it more profitable is a plus and not a negative.

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I completely understand your position on it, and that's a fair statement. With that being said, however, I think it's the wrong way to go about it-I think by this point the people left playing XI have proven over and over they're pretty loyal to this type of game, and this announcement just feels...wrong. So what then, would have worked better? Personally, I wouldn't have been bothered in the slightest by an announcment that was something to the effect of:

Adventurers of Vana'diel! (insert fluff here), while we have long supported FFXI, budget problems have forced us into a regrettable choice for the future, and the base subscription will be raised from 12.95 to 14.95 for the forseeable future. However, we have been hard at work trying to find a way to reward such loyal customers for their contributions and we are happy to announce Mog Wardrobe 3 and 4 will be available for characters!

As most of us have said, it's not about the money. It's about how this feels and the way they're doing it that just feels....slimy. Something that doesn't belong in an old MMO like XI. "Let us all contribute!" vs "Hey if you have extra cash you can have more stuff instead".

If it was a one time fee I could maybe get behind it, but not a monthly additional charge, I will not be buying these new wardrobes. I won't support ffxi bringing in a cash shop, I've always respected that ffxi didn't do this kind of thing outside of codes that come with their physical merchandise, but ffxi just went down a peg in my book because of this.

I could maybe see paying for it if this was a newer game with active development... but for a game that is 14 years old and that literally tells us they can't make any new assets and most the staff is gone only new stuff is reskinned mobs and items from easy and fast to develop battles but no "real" new content I mean cmon

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Originally Posted by Deirdre

I completely understand your position on it, and that's a fair statement. With that being said, however, I think it's the wrong way to go about it-I think by this point the people left playing XI have proven over and over they're pretty loyal to this type of game, and this announcement just feels...wrong. So what then, would have worked better? Personally, I wouldn't have been bothered in the slightest by an announcment that was something to the effect of:

Adventurers of Vana'diel! (insert fluff here), while we have long supported FFXI, budget problems have forced us into a regrettable choice for the future, and the base subscription will be raised from 12.95 to 14.95 for the forseeable future. However, we have been hard at work trying to find a way to reward such loyal customers for their contributions and we are happy to announce Mog Wardrobe 3 and 4 will be available for characters!

As most of us have said, it's not about the money. It's about how this feels and the way they're doing it that just feels....slimy. Something that doesn't belong in an old MMO like XI. "Let us all contribute!" vs "Hey if you have extra cash you can have more stuff instead".

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The route you suggested (admitting that financial hardships have necessitated an increase) would never fly by any PR or marketing department. Such a thing would be an open admittance of "we have a problem here" and that just doesn't happen, because it decreases faith in the brand's viability. It also isn't a good REASON to charge existing players more. They have no justifiable reason to raise the monthly rate when content is being churned out as slowly as it is (because the dev team has obviously been slimmed down). You can't justify raising your sub price because you've lost subs elsewhere.

What you can do, is try to get subs from other means that will enhance the experience. If I buy a ticket to a concert, I have options and choices that I need to make. What seat do I want? Do I want food while I'm there? Do I want to pay for valet parking? This is how the rest of the world works. It's really wonderful that XI dodged this model for so many years.

I know it feels like milking the users. I don't think that's the move they are trying to make. You talk about how loyal this player base is--in May, FFXIAH showed 115,000 active player characters. Today, it shows 86,000. Some of those players may be not playing but still paying the subs, others may have left for good. But that's a 36% decrease in active player characters according to one source in about a month's time.

There is absolutely some minimum # of active subscriptions that this game can hit before it goes away for good. Matsui said last year that a F2P, cash shop model had been considered but rejected. The fact that we're seeing something like this now suggests that they've had to go back and revisit some aspects of that plan. But the point is, the game needs to pay for itself.

This is not some attempt on SE's part to just price gouge the consumer. It's more that they are trying to plug a hole in a ship so it doesn't sink. Why else would they do this now?

From what a lot of my friends tell me, they unsubbed for now and waiting for server merges. Idk if that's why there was a 36% decrease or what.

Most of them don't want to pay for a game with such low populations :/

And it seems others feel the game isn't getting enough new content and said they feel SE is letting the game die. If that is the case that is sad ;;

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Originally Posted by Cesil

From what a lot of my friends tell me, they unsubbed for now and waiting for server merges. Idk if that's why there was a 36% decrease or what.

Most of them don't want to pay for a game with such low populations :/

And it seems others feel the game isn't getting enough new content and said they feel SE is letting the game die. If that is the case that is sad ;;

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I agree that mergers would do a lot--there are a lot of nearly dead servers out there. I'd almost want one mega server for all players but that's likely a technical mess and competition for drops would be crazy.

I don't feel like SE is wanting to let the game die. But I also think it's wrong to expect something wild and different to come down the pipeline. There just isn't enough people anymore to justify something major like an expansion, unless you can get a few more hundred thousand people to come back.

I have absolutely no problems adding a little bonus to my monthly fee for the convenience of extra wardrobes. I have way too much equipment, and not nearly enough room as it stands.

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Originally Posted by Avina

I agree that mergers would do a lot--there are a lot of nearly dead servers out there. I'd almost want one mega server for all players but that's likely a technical mess and competition for drops would be crazy.

I don't feel like SE is wanting to let the game die. But I also think it's wrong to expect something wild and different to come down the pipeline. There just isn't enough people anymore to justify something major like an expansion, unless you can get a few more hundred thousand people to come back.

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Yeah :( It's just whenever I tell or suggest one of my friends to come back...because of that one big announcement SE made 2 years ago I think it was that there will be no more expansions/updates..they are all stuck thinking the game is dead and getting 0 updates. And that Rhapsodies is the "end" and thats it.

I try to tell them noo its still gettin stuff added in just no expansions lol...but I guess to them that is "dead" >.<

Almost all mmorpg titles don't get expansions, they get updates.

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Originally Posted by Avina

I agree that mergers would do a lot--there are a lot of nearly dead servers out there. I'd almost want one mega server for all players but that's likely a technical mess and competition for drops would be crazy.

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If they merged all the servers we might have enough population to fill one server like we had when XI was hot but.... we'd all hate that too because of the competition for every aspect of the game being slammed.

There are days I miss thousands of ppl on Phoenix...... and then I go out and farm mats for crafting and I'm glad I don't have to compete with everyone and their grandma even for elemental clusters in sky lol.

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Originally Posted by Castanica

Almost all mmorpg titles don't get expansions, they get updates.

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Yup, that is what I try to tell them...but they won't have it lol. Oh well, their loss! :D

With paying monthly I won't be adding $4 to my account. Or the 2nd account from same bank account. Not worth it. One time fee like lockers(and with token) was... Maybe. When you look at the players jobs. Who plays 3-6 jobs in same day or few hours of play time. Only player flipping jobs that much ... Very few if any. No reason to pay for 160 spaces. This is for player flipping jobs on the fly in a hurry. Se keeps saying they want players to have time to do events not spend time in travel. Ie. Hp. Ok cool. But to save time flipping job they want money and slow the group down... Wtf.

"We're currently looking into how to distribute the Ark Angel alter egos so stay tuned for updates!
Thanks for your feedback concerning alter egos you'd like to see in the future and please keep them coming! "

Does this scare anybody else?

SE, you've been running login campaigns long enough to know what people are willing to pay for. Go free-to-play or pay-to-play. All or nothing; don't half-ass it.

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Originally Posted by Immortta

"We're currently looking into how to distribute the Ark Angel alter egos so stay tuned for updates!
Thanks for your feedback concerning alter egos you'd like to see in the future and please keep them coming! "

Does this scare anybody else?

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Unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by Immortta

"We're currently looking into how to distribute the Ark Angel alter egos so stay tuned for updates!
Thanks for your feedback concerning alter egos you'd like to see in the future and please keep them coming! "

Does this scare anybody else?

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I wouldn't mind paying for them... as long as those are some realllly good trusts. Like, trusts that would replace a player. Since, you know, you would essentially be paying for additional characters. 8D

I understand SE has made the decision to offer an optional feature to the small community of English players would make them want to complain and moan. I doubt this is an issue to Japanese players whatsoever.

Would be nice if SE don't stop writing more stories for XI though.

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Originally Posted by Zehira

I doubt this is an issue to Japanese players whatsoever.

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I'll just leave this here. :3

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...B7%8F%E5%90%88

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Originally Posted by Raydeus

I'll just leave this here. :3

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...B7%8F%E5%90%88

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Well, what I meant is (I guess comparing to this link you posted)... People always come back to complain...

Guy) I just want to complain...
SameGuy) Hi, it's me again. I want to complain again...
SameGuyAgain) Hi, why? yes it's me again! I want to complain harder because my opinions matter!

I think you posted 3 times on this thread already. :)

I forgot some points I originally wanted to make:

If they want to charge for that storage, okay. It is optional. I don't think it's worth quitting over. It does let me know that no more free storage is coming. I don't think FFXI players are going to jump on it enmass. 2-4 more dollars a month for this game is a high amount to ask of from a group of players that included some who were still using the PS2 up until this year. Lastly, it's not even fair game to bring up the 'entitled-complain' card that some are doing. It's wardrobes/160 slots locked behind a pay wall. There is no defense for that LOL.

FFXIV is a game you can get away with a cash shop even after a sub fee because many of those kids were brought up on "free" MMOs and was a reason they were attracted to XIV after it was redesigned to attract them. I admit I was somewhat okay with paying 25 dollars for Odin's horse without any of the hassle of earning it. I don't really mind that kind of a cash shop when it involves SE. 25 dollars or some ridiculous extreme difficulty fight with KC drop rates? Yeah I'll spend the 25 dollars and am glad they went that route...

But here? I really would not complain about a vanity cash shop. Especially now that we have lockstyle. But to put access to 160 more storage and wardrobe to boot behind a 2-4 dollar wall...that's just a knee below the belt right there. It was bad enough with how the storage system worked and that they wanted money for retainers in FFXIV(don't even get me started about how mules as we know them here were blocked from working in XIV) I feel like they gave the go ahead for this because we really are top of the food chain now and that "those english speaking folk are definitely ok with paying for nice things!" I'm still flabbergasted that the Japanese lost access to FFXI PS2 and just could not find the funds for the last 14 years to buy a low end PC to continue playing. Just absolutely mind boggling. It's like quitting nicotine cold turkey in my book...

We asked for years, "how many people could really still be playing on PS2s???" and I think after the consoles went offline and the rather massive dip in population afterwards answers that old question quite well. It was a crap load of people still playing on consoles and there's no reason to not assume most were Japanese...

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Originally Posted by Jile

If they merged all the servers we might have enough population to fill one server like we had when XI was hot but.... we'd all hate that too because of the competition for every aspect of the game being slammed.

There are days I miss thousands of ppl on Phoenix...... and then I go out and farm mats for crafting and I'm glad I don't have to compete with everyone and their grandma even for elemental clusters in sky lol.

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off topic but...
Yesterday i went to farm clusters in sky from all elements and i saw no one, I'm on Asura one of those more populated server.

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Originally Posted by vienne

off topic but...
Yesterday i went to farm clusters in sky from all elements and i saw no one, I'm on Asura one of those more populated server.

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Precisely my point though, 2016 population on most servers vs prime had ~10x more ppl then vs now - you would have had competition in the prime and on a fully combined server you absolutely would have competition.



Back on topic though... With the advent of paid services I wonder how long until SE will fully sell out XI.

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Kraken Club, buy it on the SE store for only $199
Ochain lvl99, buy it on the SE store for only $499
Kenkonken, final ilvl119 version, buy it on the SE store for only $999
*All items with a special Money-Green-fire Afterglow, not seen on actually earned items in the game*
Don't forget to join the SE multi item discount program!

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This topic still going o.O? Christ people get a grip feels like we are on twitter/tubmlr so much panic panic over something so tiny and optional. And no you wont see REM stuff on there how stupid you think the Dev team is?

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Originally Posted by vienne

off topic but...
Yesterday i went to farm clusters in sky from all elements and i saw no one, I'm on Asura one of those more populated server.

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This is kind of a problem, the answer is to tell people about it!

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Originally Posted by Immortta

"We're currently looking into how to distribute the Ark Angel alter egos so stay tuned for updates!
Thanks for your feedback concerning alter egos you'd like to see in the future and please keep them coming! "

Does this scare anybody else?

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Ark angels as it turns out are a greedy bunch that hate your guts and that's why we couldn't add them. But for the low price of $1 a month they can be enticed to fight along side you. Please look forward to it

Could you imagine if you had to rent the ark angels? Good god I couldn't handle it.

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Originally Posted by detlef

Could you imagine if you had to rent the ark angels? Good god I couldn't handle it.

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They would be heavily discounted if you rented them in bulk though:

1 AA for $1.00 USD /month
5 AA for $5.00 USD /month

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Half the people in this thread will be banned monday.

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Originally Posted by Raydeus

They would be heavily discounted if you rented them in bulk though:

1 AA for $1.00 USD /month
5 AA for $5.00 USD /month

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Don't forget the Super Ultra Otaku Big Spender Happy Ending Fan Bundle with Extreme Savings.
5 AA trusts + Mog Wardrobe 3 & 4 for $9USD.

I'm braced for being forum banned, it's the last push I need to quit after seeing the wardrobe rental and guessing that's the direction this game is headed, I could deal with a cash shop for cosmetics, but things that affect gameplay, even quality of life, no deal.... I'm already miffed about the wardrobe, is 13$ a month +1$ per character not enough for one of the older mmos out there, it's not okay at all by today's standards, along with only minimal content updates, really... it's super disheartening to see things end like this.

Chill out people: its OPTIONAL. They are not raising subscription fees, they are offering you the OPTION of getting more by what? PAYING MORE! It sounds reasonable to me . They aren't charging us extra for something we NEED to play, just for something we have begged for. Just think of it as super sizing your wardrobe. You are King Sizing it ! If you ate at McDonalds every day like you probably play in Vana'diel every day, wouldn't it be great to have a $2 monthly charge to upsize your artery cloggers every day???

Anyone know what the JP are saying about this?

Yes, it was shared a few pages ago.

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Originally Posted by Raydeus

I'll just leave this here. :3

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...B7%8F%E5%90%88

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There's some disagreement it looks like, going off of Google Translate.

Some people are fine with it, some people are offended by it, some people think it's a good thing if it's somehow the magic potion to revive development of FFXI. A lot like here, but it seems that the vocal JP are more in favor of it than the vocal NA (though some NA are for it, and some JP against it).