PLEASE Tell me "Grounds of Valor" is what I think it is!! (FFXI Gyms of Vana'diel??)

lol and the misunderstandings begin ><

I'm not saying it was based on my idea that this new functionality is now in the game at all guys. I'm saying they managed to implement a fix to a problem within one major update is all. The feedback from my post simply was a positive reaction to the contents nothing more.

When I refer to the "Speed of implementation", I'm not basing that off of my post, I'm basing it off of the fact that this functionality wasn't in the game last version update. Which, wasn't really that long ago, ergo that's really fast to put something like this in the game. Forgive me I suppose for not elaborating on that for the folks that are sold on me being some ego-maniac /stagger.

I've already received my 10secs of so-called fame and I really don't care for anymore recognition beyond the cool feedback from the post. I'm just glad the +skill up stuff is in the game people. ^^

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Originally Posted by kingfury

lol and the misunderstandings begin ><

I'm not saying it was based on my idea that this new functionality is now in the game at all guys. I'm saying they managed to implement a fix to a problem within one major update is all. The feedback from my post simply was a positive reaction to the contents nothing more.

When I refer to the "Speed of implementation", I'm not basing that off of my post, I'm basing it off of the fact that this functionality wasn't in the game last version update. Which, wasn't really that long ago, ergo that's really fast to put something like this in the game. Forgive me I suppose for not elaborating on that for the folks that are sold on me being some ego-maniac /stagger.

I've already received my 10secs of so-called fame and I really don't care for anymore recognition beyond the cool feedback from the post. I'm just glad the +skill up stuff is in the game people. ^^

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Your still trying to take credit for something that had nothing to do with you.

Where did I take credit exactly? As in, "Thanks to my post, this is now in the game". /stare o.o

This update had nothing whatsoever to do with your Gym.

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Originally Posted by RaenRyong

This update had nothing whatsoever to do with your Gym.

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@-@ Right.... /understood Thanks Camat- ... wait a second... you're not Camate!!! ^^

I never said that it did Raen. I'm just glad the functionality is in the game at this point.

Then please stop gushing like a 10 year old girl and trolling for a pat on the back.

So then your idea is to blame for all the ridiculous high level monsters roaming around, ruining important events like genkai and artifact hunting for lower level people? >>

Stop trying to get this thread locked. You guys said your piece and he said his, drop it.

As far as getting things in that quickly, it could very well be that they modified their original idea of dungeon based FoV to include increased skill ups. We can't say whether or not this was originally in the plans or it was added because of the outcry for easier skill ups. For all you know this skill up buff could have been a last minute adjustment to something already on the board for the update. To my knowledge, the change to HNMs was a quick change that was included in the updates that came about from an outcry on the forums for a change to their spawns.

He didn't take claim for this from what I read. He said he was glad they incorporated something that had aspects of his original idea, and gave thanks that they are listening to what the players wanted i.e. (easier skill ups pls). Stop ganging up and trying to trollbait people into arguements. There's enough of that going around already.

I've been looking for a term to explain the crap elitests do to others constantly.. so thanks
CW for the phrase or term "troll baiting".

As for this topic an all, yes.. the rest of you troll baiting him need to quit, I advise kingfury to
start reporting people under that banner to shut down all these rude people.

Good job helping the idea along one way or another though kingfury, even if no one else will give
you a high five you got it from me.

Now.. let us put this to rest.

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I've already received my 10secs of so-called fame and I really don't care for anymore recognition

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Must be why you went through the trouble to bump two dead threads today.

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Originally Posted by TybudX

Must be why you went through the trouble to bump two dead threads today.

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Does it hurt to mad all the time for no reason at all? It just has to hurt.
I don't know why I feel obligated to at least try to respond to such hog wash, but I responded to a question on the other thread, and had no way to update the information on this thread until actually testing the new Grounds of Valor out for myself post update. I hope that makes sense to ya... prolly won't though... most likely.

/sigh here's to hoping you find another piece of thread to troll through /stagger

/laugh ^^

good luck trolling out there!

If you can't see how I am not trolling you then I feel bad. I thought I used very easy to follow math and simple language when explaining things to you. It's unfortunate this site doesn't allow pictures, I could do a paint by numbers of it all for you.

I'm sorry I couldn't see through to all of the positivity and understanding nature behind these post of yours:

TybudX: "Must be why you went through the trouble to bump two dead threads today."
TybudX:/sigh here's to hoping you find another piece of **** thread to troll through /stagger"

Surely pictures would indeed help you paint a clearer picture for me to unblock my troll-filled eyes so to see your points that much better. What's the matter with me??!!! :D Honestly? There's no need to further post here Tybud, I won't be upset in the slightest if you just let it go man, I promise! /take care and /farewell

/Kingfury looks up into the virtual forum sky and thinks.

Y'know, Camate(or any other Comm. Reps available), it would be really wonderful to get a clear idea of what really is the process in place that harnesses our suggestions and feedback for the Devs to "consider or not consider" when planning new content for FFXI. You guys have already confirmed and proved that you do in fact process all the threads here, which is great beyond belief lol, but knowing just how influential a handful of player feedback really is when it comes down to implementation would truly be magnificent! ^^

I don't think there would be a player to disagree that knowing their thread suggestion did if fact reach the ears of the Dev Team and truly inspire actual in-game changes would be like cake and ice cream. In every case where feedback from these forums are elevated to the Devs to look over, and as updates continue to roll out with new content, are we doomed to forever only wonder if our ideas truly made a difference? Short of saying, "Player, the Dev Team did if fact like what you suggested and decided to find ways to implement the suggestions" (which would be great but perhaps a bit unrealistic in every case), is it completely out of the question to confirm what ideas did or did not reach the game? Could their be a realistic way to assure us that our ideas do in fact have the potential to inspire original development once they've reached the Devs?

Just a thought. Any feedback would be appreciated as always. /salute

And here you are, begging for recognition. You really can't see how two-faced you are?

/Kingfury uses /ignorepet and troll shield.
Kingfury scores a *Critical block*!

Is it still considered ignoring if you respond directly to him?

I would consider it an emote message rather than a direct response ^^ Here let me change the font color to blue lol

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Originally Posted by kingfury

/Kingfury looks up into the virtual forum sky and thinks.

Y'know, Camate(or any other Comm. Reps available), it would be really wonderful to get a clear idea of what really is the process in place that harnesses our suggestions and feedback for the Devs to "consider or not consider" when planning new content for FFXI. You guys have already confirmed and proved that you do in fact process all the threads here, which is great beyond belief lol, but knowing just how influential a handful of player feedback really is when it comes down to implementation would truly be magnificent! ^^

I don't think there would be a player to disagree that knowing their thread suggestion did if fact reach the ears of the Dev Team and truly inspire actual in-game changes would be like cake and ice cream. In every case where feedback from these forums are elevated to the Devs to look over, and as updates continue to roll out with new content, are we doomed to forever only wonder if our ideas truly made a difference? Short of saying, "Player, the Dev Team did if fact like what you suggested and decided to find ways to implement the suggestions" (which would be great but perhaps a bit unrealistic in every case), is it completely out of the question to confirm what ideas did or did not reach the game? Could their be a realistic way to assure us that our ideas do in fact have the potential to inspire original development once they've reached the Devs?

Just a thought. Any feedback would be appreciated as always. /salute

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King if this isn't you begging for the dev team to validate your idea that grounds of valor has something to do with your gyms idea you really need to take a step back and realize it was probably a coincidence. The reason you are getting trolled is because on one hand your trying to be modest and say hey it would be cool if they did incorporate but I don't need any credit given. On the other hand it looks like you are desperately seeking validation that it was your idea.

If it was it was, if it wasn't be happy a dev rep responded to you and realize that they probably can't legally say it was because then you would have grounds to get a piece of the dwindling SE pie. Just let it go man and stop bumping your threads hoping they'll get noticed and you'll probably get left alone.

If its a good idea it'll spurn people to discuss why or why it isn't a good idea.

Yeah, I'll say once again I've already stated I don't need any more credit for the Gyms post, so no I'm not begging for such. The post above is for everyone that post a suggestion here on the boards. No such information has been posted by the Community Reps to date (unless I've just missed it) as to how exactly our feedback is utilized when the Dev Team plans new content. I'm asking in a general tone for all suggestions posted here not just mine.

Looking back over the comments of this thread is what sparked the question to the Comm. Reps to clarify the process a bit more. If you've posted an idea on these boards at all then the question for such clarity involves you as well. All we have to go on at the present is assumptions that maybe our ideas did help the Devs while planning new content. Comments like this prove as much:

-"For all you know this skill up buff could have been a last minute adjustment to something already on the board for the update. To my knowledge, the change to HNMs was a quick change that was included in the updates that came about from an outcry on the forums for a change to their spawns."

Since you're asking in an tone of either or, I'm cool with validating the 1st part of your post as to the fact that I'm not asking for such a thing as a means to get any more recognition for my post. I'm asking for a clearer picture of the process that is the collection of our feedback to be overviewed by the Devs during new content planning. I have no plans to stop posting ideas to the Devs and I'm sure the same runs true for other players that are passionate about this game, so requesting a clearer picture of how our ideas are processed is a natural question.

I've had to develop a 0 tolerance mentality for the crap feeders on these boards that assume 50 million things about me and twist the things I say like it's a sport, so I can't invest any more energy into folks that read too far into a simple question for clarity.

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if it is, and if i were you, i would demand a $$$ lol

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this kind of mentality happens alot, thats why there are so many lawyers....

and it not appropriate. The work in designing it is where the reward goes. if you want any career in an industry, this is NOT the attitude to have.

if you had players w/ suggestions getting lawyers and demanding money for ideas, you would see SE responses to players freeze up in a heartbeat. This is exactly why companies cannot afford to communicate w/ public.

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Originally Posted by Xilk

this kind of mentality happens alot, thats why there are so many lawyers....
and it not appropriate. The work in designing it is where the reward goes. if you want any career in an industry, this is NOT the attitude to have.
if you had players w/ suggestions getting lawyers and demanding money for ideas, you would see SE responses to players freeze up in a heartbeat. This is exactly why companies cannot afford to communicate w/ public.

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Folks that expect such a thing should realize what a "suggestion board" is for and the concepts that are involved when dealing with a major company like SE and a giant game franchise like FF.

I think it would a great help to post a clear definitive outline of such guidelines for everyone that post here along with what I'm asking for (the clear map of how ideas are processed). Even if the only thing awarded was the knowledge that "player feedback" helped the Devs to formulate or help finish off certain aspects of planned content, players that are passionate about this game should feel more than compensated. I absolutely would if anything I've posted helped directly or indirectly through the post within the threads I've posted. No direct "individual recognition" would be required in the slightest, only the fact that "player feedback" was in fact utilized by the Dev Team on game content.

Kingfury, it's a coincidence that some things in Grounds of Valour are like what you suggested. Nothing more. Please stop.

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Originally Posted by HFX7686

Kingfury, it's a coincidence that some things in Grounds of Valour are like what you suggested. Nothing more. Please stop.

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How about you take a second before you post next time and read the previous post so you don't make a troll out've yourself.

Your understanding resides there.

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How about you take a second before you post next time and read the previous post so you don't make a troll out've yourself.

Your understanding resides there.

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Your back peddling again. Just let it go and be happy with the fact SE responded to a novel idea you had.

SE and any company would never post a road map on how customer feedback is processed and implemented. The reason is because every idea that wasn't used would have people crying about why their idea wasn't used and want a explanation as to why not. Again you had a good idea, but your expecting too much between business and customer communication.

It's pretty clear that the developers implement things requested by the players "all the time" just compare the game as it is today to 2006. Every perk we enjoy today is the result of years of whining to them, and our feedback is definitely being considered and used in regards to Abyssea.

If the reps haven't responded by now after over a month since this thread was created, they probably won't for some reason or another. But does it really matter so much that you get acknowledged for your ideas? They already said they would pass the idea along to devs. They took the time to respond and tell you that. Why would they not do it? What more do you need? I mean it only really entails something along these lines:

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Rep: Sup boss

Boss: Sup homes

Rep: I got some goods to pass on to you. This player came up with this idea and I thought it was worthy enough to let you know.

Boss: True. true. let's hear it.

Rep: etc etc etc

Boss: Ah I see. Cool, it's something we can do technically. I'll put it on the table to work on whenever.

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You got partly what you wanted implemented in the game whether by your doing or not. Surely that is enough. I suggest you just let it go before this backfires anymore on you and you get discouraged from making realistic suggestions to the dev team due to fear of trolls. Most of what I see here is utter crap. Good suggestions are few and far between(really only because the vast majority of suggestions come from horde and every single one of them for the most part are complete crap that may or may not be serious attempts at trolling)

For what it's worth I'd say chances are high that it is your idea that got us the perks for GoV but I'm sure GoV itself was already in the development stages. It was likely a compromise they chose to make. All that matters is it's in game now to an extent. It doesn't matter in the least how it came to be...unless you're looking for credit. Be happy and take advantage of it.

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How about you take a second before you post next time and read the previous post so you don't make a troll out've yourself.

Your understanding resides there.

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Dude, I thought (and still think) that your idea was a pretty good idea. I fully support your idea. I hope SE implements more parts of it. My issue is, however, your constant bumping of this thread looking for validation. Haven't you noticed that at the beginning of this thread people were supportive but further along, the more you post about being humble and looking for validation, your fellow FF11 community members are becoming more and more irritated with you? Please, we accept that you have a good idea and support it but stop with the 'me-so-humble' act. It's getting tiring and bunging up a really good thread with a really good idea.

@HFX7686:
If by "Bumping" the thread, you mean having to respond to crap post such as yours and the other folks that want to make me out to be something I'm not, then you have yourself to blame. If someone is trying to make you out to be something negative, it's your prerogative to address it. I choose to at least try to correct such ill-minded attempts since I can't get why folks like yourself feel it necessary to try and shoot others down for no reason. I respond to people that respond to my threads, both constructive and non-constructive. Unfortunately, like in this case, it's often a response to a "crabs in the bucket" mentality.

What department of the Dev Team do you work in to feel validated to even post such a thing? There's just no reason for this kind of thing.

Posted by @HFX7686:Kingfury, it's a coincidence that some things in Grounds of Valour are like what you suggested. Nothing more. Please stop.

I suggested that you go back and READ the thread to find out what I'm asking for. This thread was created when the Dev Team released the name of the new system. I'll I knew at that time was that it was called "Grounds of Valor", nothing else. At best, I was asking for a "Hint" as to what the new system was composed of in a hoping tone that in fact it was something similar to what I was proposing. If you proposed an idea to make "flying chocobos", and saw in the upcoming road map a new system called "Birds of Flight", would you be excited about the possibilities of the new system? The question is rhetorical of course.

You seriously read this post above "Post 101" and honestly can still process my words as the negative dribble you've posted? I'll leave it at this and continue moving forward as always since no matter what I say at this point to clear up whatever confusion you have blocking your ability to understand my viewpoint will change your made up mind. Closed-minded people have to choose to be that way, and will never change unless they choose to stop that mind set. I haven't changed since my 1st day of posting on these threads other than being immensely disappointed in the way people try to tear others down.

Well, since no one has gotten back to you already, its safe to say that Grounds of Valor had nothing to do with your Gyms idea so its best to just leave it alone.

Also, no company is going to be so transparent is to outline how customer feed back affects their development for reasons that another poster already pointed out.

Really, thread should be locked at this point as it serves no purpose.

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How about you take a second before you post next time and read the previous post so you don't make a troll out've yourself.

Your understanding resides there.

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We don't need to wade through the text of your posts to the mess of self-importance going on here. For my part I don't need to look further than that obnoxious sig that insists on taking up half my screen.

Rest assured you are not the first person to suggest some mechanism to ease skilling up. Should I post here claiming victory because I made and defended a thread on the ffxiclopedia suggestion forums calling for higher skillup rates and skillups from DCs three years ago?

Nah, trust me, reading is GOOD!! DOO EET You may see that there's not a single post that "claims victory" of any kind for anything. o.o /stare

Create some original artwork for yourself and you have the right to put it wherever you like. /

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Closed-minded people have to choose to be that way, and will never change unless they choose to stop that mind set. I haven't changed since my 1st day of posting on these threads other than being immensely disappointed in way people try to tear others down.

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No one is tearing down your original idea. It still stands as a very good idea.

But haven't you noticed that the more you post looking for a response from the developers the more people ask you to stop? There's no one left supporting you because you're coming across as a humongous jerk at this point.

Your idea is great. Posting it was great. Continuing to shove it down our, and the developers throat, is not so great.

If this is your idea of humble you're doing a horrendous job. You're trying to convince us your ego hasn't been overinflated yet you're going around on the verge of a tantrum because people aren't giving you credit for something you didn't actually do. Now you're progressing from merely being overly self important to paranoid and delusional. Please. Sit back. Take a chill pill . Relax.

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Originally Posted by Kimble

Well, since no one has gotten back to you already, its safe to say that Grounds of Valor had nothing to do with your Gyms idea so its best to just leave it alone.
Also, no company is going to be so transparent is to outline how customer feed back affects their development for reasons that another poster already pointed out.
Really, thread should be locked at this point as it serves no purpose.

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Well there's no time limit on the Comm. Reps responses lol but if you read through the original post you'll see that post served it's purpose as soon as I got access to the new system and saw the results. If it did or didn't have anything to do with my thread is a moot point now since the victory is in having the functionality of enhanced skill ups in the game.

Again, the level of transparency I'm asking about is no different from what the Devs have presented to us in the new development roadmap. Go read it once more to see that they will be making a test server for this very transparency you speak of. So, yeah, THIS company is welcoming that transparency. I'm simply asking for a "Diagram" of the process. There's nothing to "let go" since I'm not asking for anything they're not preparing to create for future content. A clearer understanding is my request, that's all.

I, like everyone else here, can only assume that our feedback IS used in some way during the planning of new content, and that's all we can assume at this point.

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Originally Posted by Kimble

Well, since no one has gotten back to you already, its safe to say that Grounds of Valor had nothing to do with your Gyms idea so its best to just leave it alone.

Also, no company is going to be so transparent is to outline how customer feed back affects their development for reasons that another poster already pointed out.

Really, thread should be locked at this point as it serves no purpose.

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98% of the threads on this forum serve no purpose.

Another 1% is vindicated QQ

The other 1% have a chance to explain some game mechanic to a player that would otherwise never know whats going on.

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I, like everyone else here, can only assume that our feedback IS used in some way during the planning of new content, and that's all we can assume at this point.

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Usually, when something is implemented that a lot of players suggested I tend to do more than just assume. Seems like proof to me.

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Originally Posted by HFX7686

No one is tearing down your original idea. It still stands as a very good idea.
But haven't you noticed that the more you post looking for a response from the developers the more people ask you to stop? There's no one left supporting you because you're coming across as a humongous jerk at this point.
Your idea is great. Posting it was great. Continuing to shove it down our, and the developers throat, is not so great.

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My frustration is from your post ^^ I didn't make you post a negative crab-like post on my thread, you did! Yet I'm the Jerk for trying to put out the flame? That doesn't sound a bit backwards to you?

SHOW ME one post where I'm "continuing to shove anything down anyones throat" lol please post it now so that I can see the light of my horrendous ways /stagger

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If this is your idea of humble you're doing a horrendous job. You're trying to convince us your ego hasn't been overinflated yet you're going around on the verge of a tantrum because people aren't giving you credit for something you didn't actually do. Now you're progressing from merely being overly self important to paranoid and delusional. Please. Sit back. Take a chill pill . Relax.

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Nah, I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything. You have every right to assume whatever you like.

I've never once asked for "credit" from anyone on these boards. The tread title is asking if the new GoV system was possibly based on the "thread concepts" I posted, and that all. I was more excited at the possibility of the issue of slow skill ups being resolved than anything else. I'm more than grounded just fine ^^ I'm just responding to the post at this point that are trying to twist my words.

Yeah, putting the timed nms KIs in gold chests is pretty clear proof that our feedback is used, lol.