Thank you for making both the grind and rewards of the Job Point system so terrible.

the job point system is a bit pointless atm but I see potential in it.in my opinion it needs to be worth doing firstly as in I would like to see it balance the dd jobs more. an then it needs to be doable as in make the points chain higher ;like exp so we would be back to meripo days

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OH BOY. That is SUPER useful.

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Then don't do it.

If they go back on their earlier statement of "Job Points won't be taken into consideration when balancing content" (much like they back-pedaled on "We'll be backing off on inflicting Encumbrance in the future"), then complain.

My ideas for making this system good.

-20% of XP/LP gained goes to CP, this includes Chains, Rings, and anything else that boosts the standard Experience Point rate.

-Completely remove party penalties... having this penalty at all only serves to deter parties not balance things.

-Remove the scaling cost or slow it by a ton! Points should not go from 1 to 2 to 3, if anything it should go up by 1 every 5 points allocated to an ability.

-Change some of these buffs, there are some like Magic Damage +2 During Chainspell that are flat out worthless, when I Chainspell, I use high tiers, high tiers get almost no benefit from Magic Damage and in fact this stat only improves my DMG by less than 10 per nuke which is pathetic. On the other side, more BLU Points and BSTs getting +3STR/DEX/VIT/ect. for their pet per point is vastly superior!

the job point system is a very welcome addition to many of us. it adds a 2nd set of enhancements independent of the 1st, and it is gained quite easily. with the announcement that additional categories will be added the REAL problem that those currently available are generally lackluster is somewhat abated (it may be entirely, but until we know what the new categories ARE we can't speak inteligently about it). I'm greatly looking forward to them. Between this and the addition of good skill-up locations I would have to say this is one of the best updates since the "pupdate".

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-Remove the scaling cost or slow it by a ton! Points should not go from 1 to 2 to 3, if anything it should go up by 1 every 5 points allocated to an ability.

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Do we know exactly how buying them works now? Is it an increase of 1 per point, up to 10 JP needed to currently max it? Or is like some of the merits, 1 -2-3-4-5-5-5-...., with a cap to upgrade points after a certain point?

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Do we know exactly how buying them works now? Is it an increase of 1 per point, up to 10 JP needed to currently max it? Or is like some of the merits, 1 -2-3-4-5-5-5-...., with a cap to upgrade points after a certain point?

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That would still be 40 points to hit level 10, whereas with it going up by 1 forever, it would be 55. Either one, is still far to many points.

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Do we know exactly how buying them works now? Is it an increase of 1 per point, up to 10 JP needed to currently max it? Or is like some of the merits, 1 -2-3-4-5-5-5-...., with a cap to upgrade points after a certain point?

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I wish I knew how to answer your question properly. In my personal experience, I finally got the 1 Job Point. I used it on my BST "Pet Accuracy" and it went from 1 > 2. Soon as I saw that, my heart sank and I gave up. It took me a pretty long time to get that 1 Job Point. Then to realize it would take twice as long to upgrade the same category again....yeah. And I won't be actively farming Capacity Points until the system is revamped.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,

The development team is currently looking into making it so capacity points can be earned through certain Records of Eminence objectives as well as from the various types of reives.

Additionally, they are planning adjustments to the amount of capacity points earned and other methods in which you can obtain them.

We'll continue to forward all of your feedback on Job Points to the development team.

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Though I highly doubt your forwarding anything the English speaking people are saying, on the off chance I'm wrong and they are actually listening to us I'll say this.

The amount given is FAR TOO SMALL. I should not be getting 30~50 CP for killing a monster that gives me several hundred to a thousand XP. Remove the XP division that takes place when being in a party it's stupid and left over from when FFXI was an EverQuest clone. Make is so that when we select CP we get that instead of XP, preferably on a 1:1 basis, otherwise people won't even bother. That or make it so that we can select a job and all earned CP goes to that job because right now there is zero incentive me to go WHM for a party when I need SO MUCH CP on WAR / BLU / RUN. I'm better off soloing with trust NPC's for CP on a job that I want it on vs joining a party.

This is what happens when people keep going on about the good old days. All SE has to go on when they hear the good old days crap is how grindy it was not that you had all your friends to make it less of a grind. So every time onne of the meat heads whined about how fast we level or how people were burning though stuff to fast we get crap like this.

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The Job Points system should never have been added. We already had a system of points for spending on enhancements to jobs -- the Merit Point System. They should have just added new categories for each job, or increased the number of points that we could spend in a given category/given item, etc.

Seriously, SE. Do you just hate us at this point? Do you want us to quit playing your game so badly?

So many of these options are completely underwhelming and useless. They WOULD be nice if it didn't require 1100 hours of grinding to get them unlocked. And even then, take Dancer for example. For 1100 hours of grinding, I get 100 TP? Every time I use Trance? Which is at most, once an hour in most circumstances? OH BOY. That is SUPER useful. That is what I would be saying, in some parallel universe, where the people in charge of this game aren't trying to get people to actively hate it and quit.

You need to stop releasing content until you have a) fixed the current content that is broken, and b) finished the content that should have been here already that you haven't released yet because you keep getting sidetracked by SUPER COOL AWESOME ideas like the Job Point system which was ENTIRELY unneeded.

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Since I can't DISlike an unhelpful post, I'll just reply to it. I'd rather see the job point system fixed, personally, and I'm glad it's here. Personally, I would have liked better to see merits expanded upon, and this worked into that system somehow, or vise versa, but I am glad to see continuation of character growth. The rate at which you get them is pretty dismal, though, chains, records, removal of small group penalty, any of these things would be great. I don't want to see alliances formed for job point parties, but I do want to see 1-6 people doing it. Please let us know what the dev team is planning.

I like the idea of completely removing the party/alliance penalty for Capacity Points, even if there's still no reason to Exp in a group, at least this would provide an interesting balance, so that grouping would be better for this activity.

Considering how rediculous the grinds are for job points, people still won't be completing them any time soon even with a full alliance clear-cutting a zone.

I would also love to see Job points accruing naturally everywhere, like sparks, you said you're already addressing this, which is neat, I guess it would feel less annoying for it to be so painfully slow if you were collecting them everywhere.

Also, add some sort of repeatable RoE quest to rival "Deal 500+ damage" for support jobs to repeat while you're at it.

You know they could add exchange one copper bag for 1k job points item. Personally I am guessing they will add an item like this or ring soon.

I don't know why people complain abut JP's You can literarily FC them Get a warrior and rdm, sell four slots to AFK. Pull 6-10 mobs WS, kill, repeat. This will be the new RTM event. I did this today earned five.

Heal 500+ damage was a thing, but they didn't make it repeatable. It really should be repeatable though, as long as there is a 500 damage thing that is.

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Greetings,

The development team is currently looking into making it so capacity points can be earned through certain Records of Eminence objectives as well as from the various types of reives.

Additionally, they are planning adjustments to the amount of capacity points earned and other methods in which you can obtain them.

We'll continue to forward all of your feedback on Job Points to the development team.

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Rieves: stuff people do solo
RoE: stuff people do solo

No chain bonus... no abyssea...
So... it's ok if y'all just come out and tell us... that you don't want people to party up for Job Points....
Cause making it so that there's less to get a JP or including content that is generally done without a group 99% of the time...
You're just encouraging people to play solo.

It's blatantly clear that the Job Point system was meant to push people into spending more time in Adoulin... what with all the minimal benefits that you get from killing stuff there... (ala party xp penalty is lessened in Adoulin areas) and the restriction of "only lv100+ mobs"...
But the thing is... as everything stands right now... there is 0 reason to party up... let alone form "exp/merit/JP parties"...

A lot of people were happy about the exclusion of abyssea because they have their nostalgia goggles on hard and want the 75era back...
75era exp parties were no different than GoV parties... they just worked in a different form. (ala chain bonus vs book completion bonus)...
But y'all killed that by not including the chain bonus... which just baffles me... because the chain bonus exists to counteract the xp penalty from partying up...

Basically: you don't need to include more solo content... just give capacity points based on chain bonus. (the coding is already there too! both Merit Points and conquest points work off of it... so you have the base codes you need.)
Then you have more people actually doing stuff in Adoulin areas (rather than just passing through to the fracture or WKR) and you make the nostalgia 75ers happy cause they have their "oldschool" exp parties back.

Job Points.... are worse than Cait Sith.
Sure Cait Sith was unfinished... what with being stuck in the 75era... but she has room to grow and can potentially be made super useful with a single BP being added to her...
Job Points, on the other hand, are just... a mess.

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Outside of the two areas right outside of town it's a nightmare to solo rieves....

Job points are useless right now,and seriously instead of motivating players to come back SE is scaring the few who remains to quit playing.
AH!!!... I'll rather pay $ 100.00 and play Everquest beta.

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I don't know why people complain abut JP's You can literarily FC them Get a warrior and rdm, sell four slots to AFK. Pull 6-10 mobs WS, kill, repeat. This will be the new RTM event. I did this today earned five.

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well, great

now you can just do that 100 more times and cap a job point ability

the amount of electrical power your computer will have consumed in the process of doing so is roughly equivalent to one half a saudi oil worker

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Outside of the two areas right outside of town it's a nightmare to solo rieves....

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All BLMs, SCHs, RDMs and SMNs laugh at this notion.
And I'm told by BLUs that they have no issues with the "hard" reives either. Cause of that... Spikey arrow spell? It was from the Velk iirc.

If you are having issues with soloing everything that's not the... "noob intro" reives.... You haven't learned where to stand yet.

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All BLMs, SCHs, RDMs and SMNs laugh at this notion.
And I'm told by BLUs that they have no issues with the "hard" reives either. Cause of that... Spikey arrow spell? It was from the Velk iirc.

If you are having issues with soloing everything that's not the... "noob intro" reives.... You haven't learned where to stand yet.

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For BLUs, it's because they can just sleep all the mobs with something like Dream Flower and go to town on the roots/rocks/etc. Glutinous Dart from Velkk's (odd name, since the spell animation shows a bolas, almost like the opposite of a dart) could be used, but that seems dreadfully slow.

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Originally Posted by Grimlocke

Id like to see something like this added for each jobs, job points catagory:
[All 2HR buffs]

I dont know, most of the current abilities seems kinda mediocre. Perhaps something more like what I have posted above? Doesnt have to be 100% just the general idea.

Grim~

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I..... don't like 2hr buffs.
Even now that they are 1hr recasts.....
They... just are never used enough to have an augment be worthwhile.
ESPECIALLY not when it takes so much to accumulate JPs...

I'd rather see more categories for abilities we use 99% of the time... rather than the 1% of the time we use our 2hrs.

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For BLUs, it's because they can just sleep all the mobs with something like Dream Flower and go to town on the roots/rocks/etc. Glutinous Dart from Velkk's (odd name, since the spell animation shows a bolas, almost like the opposite of a dart) could be used, but that seems dreadfully slow.

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It goes a little slower then nuking them down on rdm with t1 spells but not that much and the mp cost, recast is really low and much safer then trying to keep all the mobs slept.

I'm ok with upgrading 2 hours with it, but it shouldn't even nearly be a focus. The only 2 hour ability I use outside of extremely rare cases is Familiar, and that's only because I can keep the thing up for more than 3 minutes since it lasts a full 40 minutes instead.

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Then don't do it.

If they go back on their earlier statement of "Job Points won't be taken into consideration when balancing content" (much like they back-pedaled on "We'll be backing off on inflicting Encumbrance in the future"), then complain.

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If you think JPs will either be inconsequential or detrimental, why even have them?

Look. If they don't change the rate of acquisition/advancement, a couple different things can happen:

-the enhancements stay totally inconsequential, so everybody ignores JP forever and it becomes the Garrison of persistent character development.

-good enhancements are released, so a handful of sadfats haijin it up and kill crabs for 6-8 hours a day for several weeks to get started, at which point nobody else can ever really catch up, and FFXI finally gives up any pretense of not just being a refuge for people fleeing from an engaged and worthy life.

-good enhancements are released and as a result SE relents on the rate of acquisition/advancement, at which point that guy that will have 200 JP banked by that update is rewarded by being made a fool.

Why would anybody want any of this? Why wouldn't somebody want Job Points to have a positive impact on the game?

As predicted, the job I hate most is the job I'm getting stacks of Job Points on. White Mage!

"We need you to come on WHM." Repeat these words for ten years. I don't even know what the mobs in events look like because I'm standing at the back staring at people's HP-bars, and racking up those Job Points for a job I want to see shackled and tossed into the ocean.

I have started soloing Job Points for my main jobs, very slowly. Our LS gets most job points from events, and I'm always the Whm so I'm looking forward to my divine seal bonus, DS enmity-3 here I come /cheer.

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Do we know exactly how buying them works now? Is it an increase of 1 per point, up to 10 JP needed to currently max it? Or is like some of the merits, 1 -2-3-4-5-5-5-...., with a cap to upgrade points after a certain point?

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We won't know until either SE just tells us or somebody soldiers on to rank 10 in something, but if the points-to-level plateaus and you never need more than 5 JP to go up a level, the 200 JP reserve cap is pretty baffling.

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Thf: Enhance Larceny effect duration.

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If you want to enhance it give it an enfeebling effect like Amnesia which each JP increasing it's duration from a base of 30's. Not awesome sauce, but then neither is Larceny.

If you're talking about the duration of the ability you just stole, that`d be cool, but that would classify as a DD buff for THF, and we can't have that.

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Hey if you dont use your skills that often, thats your fault. I use mine pretty much constantly, Infact many situations it can help speed things up. IE: spark farming with a monk, Specially in aby hundred fist is used very very often. Not to mention the new AA and SKNM fights where you are more likly to use your 1 hours abilities. We get you dont like JA, but they are here to stay. They will tweak them alot im sure, but if you seriously have a issue with them might just want to forget they exist. You honestly think SE gonna just say "hey lets just remove it completly" ofcourse not.

Grim~

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Ah... A MNK... I shouldn't be surprised then that you think using your 2hr makes you a good player.
Aside from hundred fists... And um..... Mighty Strikes...
All the other jobs use out 2hrs almost never... And when we do, it's for a HIGHLY specific stuff (ala SMN with Alexander, COR in Delve, NIN after a RR, etc) or it's just for dicking around.
Generally (and this is especially true for say, WHM) you shouldn't be relying on your 2hr to be good. It should be an "oh shit" button... And you should be good enough to never have need of it. (Keeping with WHMs: relying on benediction and curaga5 are the mark of bad WHMs)

Besides.
You misunderstood my point, which Demonjustin also states:

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I'm ok with upgrading 2 hours with it, but it shouldn't even nearly be a focus. The only 2 hour ability I use outside of extremely rare cases is Familiar, and that's only because I can keep the thing up for more than 3 minutes since it lasts a full 40 minutes instead.

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In other words:
Stop with the 2hr buffs.
We already have 1 category for it.
We don't need more 2hr buffs.
We need categories that are actually worthwhile to grind for... Because right now... It's the choice between a douche and a turd sandwich. (With some minor exception... None of which is the 2hr. And any job with a Circle JA got royally screwed over. Hey SE, "stop trying to make Fetch happen.")

Which is what "I'd rather have an augment for something I use 99% of the time rather than 1%" means...
But seeing as how you're a MNK...
Maybe you believe everyone uses their 2hrs like you do?
Maybe you're just selfish and want more MNK stuff?
I don't know.
But what I do know is that 2hr Job Point Merits are already in existence.
We don't need more.

EDIT: I should also probably clarify... Since it seems that you are under the delusion that plagues so much if humanity... That special brand of stupid known as: binary thinking...
Wherein a being has to like something 100% to like it, and if they dislike an aspect of it, then they must too then dislike all of it.
Which is just plain stupid.
I like the JP system.
I dislike how it is currently set up: promoting solo play, discouraging parties.
I also dislike many, if not most, of the current augments... But I don't see the need to really complain about that, because I know there's gonna be actual useful ones as soon as the early April update. (Cause now we should be getting JA that people actually use.)
I also find the decision to go with "low level" traits to be especially... Odd.
These don't work at lower levels like Merits do, at least we've no word if they do.
And lower level traits are often tossed to the wayside at 99... Which given how this is basically "99 only Merits"... Why the need to start with abilities no one uses?
Just because I critique something doesn't mean I dislike it.
That's just an idiotic way to view the world.

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It goes a little slower then nuking them down on rdm with t1 spells but not that much and the mp cost, recast is really low and much safer then trying to keep all the mobs slept.

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yeah I finally managed to get through Kahmir and it was on RDM... and it was horrible.

What people don't understand is I knew HOW to get through the walls, but really, a system that requires people to spend 2 hours spamming stone 1 at a wall to make progress is a stupid system.

The only thing that made it halfway bearable was the fact that I could at least gain skill ups now.

Scholar's job point ability is actually quite good, and if the grind wasn't so horrible, I'd go out of my way to cap it -

Extra 30 seconds of regen, buffed up with Perpetuation/+2 Savant's Bracers = extra 75 sec of Regen.

Base duration of Regen V is 110 sec. The job points almost double it, and if you've never tried a SCH main healer, it is absolutely amazing on all but the absolute toughest content, and beats out whm in many ways.

AoE'd/perp'd regen V + Phalanx = scholar that doesn't have to do anything for the rest of the fight.

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Scholar's job point ability is actually quite good, and if the grind wasn't so horrible, I'd go out of my way to cap it -

Extra 30 seconds of regen, buffed up with Perpetuation/+2 Savant's Bracers = extra 75 sec of Regen.

Base duration of Regen V is 110 sec. The job points almost double it, and if you've never tried a SCH main healer, it is absolutely amazing on all but the absolute toughest content, and beats out whm in many ways.

AoE'd/perp'd regen V + Phalanx = scholar that doesn't have to do anything for the rest of the fight.

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I agree, I am doing this for my sch. Well he is afk while my blu grinds the points. Blu and sch made out pretty well. But the grind is bad

I can honestly seeing this become the next rmt hot spot. It is not hard to have a war and rdm pull all and sell four spots.

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I can honestly seeing this become the next rmt hot spot. It is not hard to have a war and rdm pull all and sell four spots.

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I'm amazed no one seems to be FCing them, I mean Marjami Ravine mobs can hardly hurt my RDM in refresh gear with Pro/Shell & Phalanx, I can hardly imagine what a WAR could do in full 119 Cizin with PDT Augments and RDM buffs could do to them. FCs would be insanely easy and possibly very profitable, yet, no one seems to care.

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I'm amazed no one seems to be FCing them, I mean Marjami Ravine mobs can hardly hurt my RDM in refresh gear with Pro/Shell & Phalanx, I can hardly imagine what a WAR could do in full 119 Cizin with PDT Augments and RDM buffs could do to them. FCs would be insanely easy and possibly very profitable, yet, no one seems to care.

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I dunno. Population of Asura was around 800 last night. I mean, yeah, Monday night, but those are some very low numbers. No one seems to be doing much of anything right now.

Admittedly Phoenix was at 719 earlier today(722 now) so population may be a part of it.

yeah the population levels are getting worrisome. I mean they could always do a server merge, but that would drive players away too. It's sort of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If they would at least do the double subscription deal with XIV that they used to have, folks might sub to XI and pop in now and again when they were capped on mythic tomes or whatnot, but not worthwhile for full sub price.

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yeah the population levels are getting worrisome. I mean they could always do a server merge, but that would drive players away too. It's sort of a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation. If they would at least do the double subscription deal with XIV that they used to have, folks might sub to XI and pop in now and again when they were capped on mythic tomes or whatnot, but not worthwhile for full sub price.

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They should never have made XIV in the first place.

Hello, everyone.

Thanks for all the feedback on the job point system.

I wanted to let you know about some upcoming plans, not only for job points, but for the merit point system as well.

As mentioned during "Freshly Picked Vana’diel 5" we will be adding new job point categories, and the next set will be implemented in the upcoming version update. To prepare for this, as well as aid current efforts to enhance your jobs, we'll be holding a special “Double Capacity Point Campaign” that is set to begin on April 18th.

On the merit point front, you can rest assured that the development team hasn’t forgotten about this system even with the advent of the job point system. After the June version update we will be increasing the caps on certain merit point categories – meaning that if you’ve already increased HP to stage 15, you’ll be able to put merit points into MP. We’re also looking into increasing the amount of merit points you can store at once.

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Hello, everyone.

Thanks for all the feedback on the job point system.

I wanted to let you know about some upcoming plans, not only for job points, but for the merit point system as well.

As mentioned during "Freshly Picked Vana’diel 5" we will be adding new job point categories, and the next set will be implemented in the upcoming version update. To prepare for this, as well as aid current efforts to enhance your jobs, we'll be holding a special “Double Capacity Point Campaign” that is set to begin on April 18th.

On the merit point front, you can rest assured that the development team hasn’t forgotten about this system even with the advent of the job point system. After the June version update we will be increasing the caps on certain merit point categories – meaning that if you’ve already increased HP to stage 15, you’ll be able to put merit points into MP. We’re also looking into increasing the amount of merit points you can store at once.

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Please also address the heavy penalty on capactiy point when one is in a party. For example, when solo'ing out in Yorica Weald (as well as using trusts), I would get 120-130 cp per mobs. But when I'm in a party of just 2 (1 other real player/person), the cp drops to 65-70. I can understand and maybe even live with a few percentage penalty, but what we have here is basically a 50% penalty on just 2 person real party. This really give the player base ZERO incentive to party up at all when you only have 1 or 2 other players that want to form a party to farm CP/JP.

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On the merit point front, you can rest assured that the development team hasn’t forgotten about this system even with the advent of the job point system. After the June version update we will be increasing the caps on certain merit point categories – meaning that if you’ve already increased HP to stage 15, you’ll be able to put merit points into MP. We’re also looking into increasing the amount of merit points you can store at once.

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Hello Camate,

Could you possibly get some information about which categories are going to be expanded? I would love to see a cap increase for the job-specific categories.

- Byrth

If the amount needed isn't reduced, even doubling it won't make me think about doing this, it's not worth the time.

I dislike how slow it is to obtain capacity points in the game. Not even the idea of double capacity point campaign intrigues me. If we're trying to bring back merit parties like the old days, a lot of jobs gonna be left behind. Who is gonna want to party up with a blm, run, pld, dnc, nin, pup, geo, bst, thf, rng and smns? To most of us, they are considered jobs not suited for exp/merit parties. Only used for certain strategic situations. Having to acquire job points for a specific job with having to use that job as the only method in doing so was a terrible idea to begin with.