Future Plans for Equipment

I have to point out that "balance" is 50% actual objective balance (which, for example, RUN is supposed to be balanced against PLD such that they are equivalent... But they aren't.) and subjective balance (job A only plz).
The subjective balance is based on human nature... And as we all know, humans are just pigs in clothing.
So it will take time for humans to stop being stupid about things like pt setup... (Ala when RUN actually IS comparable and interchangeable with PLD... Do you honestly think it'll be less than a year before the masses accept it in PLD's stead?)

And to be quite honest... There is and always has been only ONE content in this entire game that actually had 100% job balance: VW
That's it.
Every other thing to do always favored some job over another and this made the subjective balance flare up.
But VW?
You always benefited from having at least 1 of anything... When shouts ask for SMN in endgame content with equal frequency as PLD or WHM or BRD... THAT is a balanced content.

But this by no means makes VW necessarily GOOD content. (I realize that 99.99999% of humanity can't distinguish between "you are stupid" and "what you just said is stupid/your idea is stupid"...)
VW was an artificially prolonged content.
Unlike, say, dynamis wherein you're only real deciding factor is real luck. (Getting relic A vs B which you wanted)
VW extends it's life via having abysmal drops.
Sure, it's possible to have ALL dynamis items... But it can take years to get them. And then there's always the upgrades to them... Which requires more dynamis.
The ONLY thing that extended VW's life was the fact that drops were so bad and were good.
Had VW had the droprate of Delve... VW would have been completed as quickly and as easily as Delve is. (Most ppl I know have either everything from Delve or everything they want from it.)

Game balance in an MMO is somewhat subjective, yes, however some content, and games are far closer to a desired distribution than FFXI, and for the record, VW wasn't 100% balanced by any rate, the distribution caused several jobs to be left out because they had very few procs or you could cover them from subjob, Thf, Bst, Pld (If not supertanking adds), Rdm(Completely nonexistent once they removed the Merit Procs) and you to want 2-3 Blms/Wars because they could cover a lot of procs but yes, there was absolutely much less job imbalance in it, than what we have today, and I was not nearly as concerned with job balance at those times as I am now....

That's not to say that the game was better overall then, this content is overall much more enjoyable to me than those days, and I do enjoy seeing the effort they're putting into adapting things and things feel "fresher" than have for many many years.... but they still miss the mark on balance, a lot.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

By your reasoning every DD with an RME was slapped in the face when Adoulin came out. You had a much longer wait before your dominance was challenged, so you really have nothing to complain about.



I think you're mistaking the word career for princess. No worries. It's a common mistake.



If skill is more important than gear then what the heck is your problem? It sounds like you just want to shut people out of your exclusive club or something.

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You're calling him a Princess? really?

you have sat on this forum with other lazies whining to daddy (s.e) about unbalance. Preaching about how a job you dont play and job content you clearly dont understand is flawed since the other kids wont play with you because you dont have the same drive or shines they do.

On the other hand, he has played the game, admired s.e content, enjoyed his time on his job and earned the right to his abilities. You cant ask more of a player or a customer.
He get his stuff done and should be commended.

S.E will give you these instruments to shut you up since they probably figured they couldn't do anything else because of the system itself or time it would require to do.

the respectable players who can achieve in any endgame content will navigate through and come to their senses.

this new instrument wont matter because for these players, it will be either easy enough that all future career bards will eventually have it and shouts will change to "99 relic bards only"

or its too difficult to obtain and nothing will change. daurbs will still be easier to get.

any career bard or knowledgeable player knows +5 to songs like march mads and preludes are better than anything a 3rd song alone will give.

the working class player base will always be better than you, princess. this club you are mention is earned by hard work and dedication. Not given to lazies so if you want the fairness you seek, encourage people the play the content and make educated suggestions.

I miss voidwatch if only because it was content where people actually wanted me to play on BLU. Now, ha ha ha... nothing.

[especially because the bar was not insurmountable - I just needed to have my spells, my skill capped and some MACC gear - and I could do my job - but now for current content people want you to be in the top 1% of players to participate... it is a real bummer]

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Originally Posted by Feary

You're calling him a Princess? really?

you have sat on this forum with other lazies whining to daddy (s.e) about unbalance. Preaching about how a job you dont play and job content you clearly dont understand is flawed since the other kids wont play with you because you dont have the same drive or shines they do.

On the other hand, he has played the game, admired s.e content, enjoyed his time on his job and earned the right to his abilities. You cant ask more of a player or a customer.
He get his stuff done and should be commended.

S.E will give you these instruments to shut you up since they probably figured they couldn't do anything else because of the system itself or time it would require to do.

the respectable players who can achieve in any endgame content will navigate through and come to their senses.

this new instrument wont matter because for these players, it will be either easy enough that all future career bards will eventually have it and shouts will change to "99 relic bards only"

or its too difficult to obtain and nothing will change. daurbs will still be easier to get.

any career bard or knowledgeable player knows +5 to songs like march mads and preludes are better than anything a 3rd song alone will give.

the working class player base will always be better than you, princess. this club you are mention is earned by hard work and dedication. Not given to lazies so if you want the fairness you seek, encourage people the play the content and make educated suggestions.

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Originally Posted by Feary

the working class player base will always be better than you, princess.

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pffhffhahahhaha

this guy

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Apologies Feary but I'm having a hard time understanding the point you were trying to make. Your post seemed a little scattered. Could you summarise?

He has a lot of Empyrean weapons so we should probably take his opinion very seriously.

Addressing the comment that started this debate, any BRD with Carn and Ghorn should really have made Daurdabla 99 already. There's no excuse really. 99 your weapon if you want it to be taken seriously. The proposed instrument is only as good as the 90 version. The only way you should feel threatened is if they introduce something as good as the 99 version. Then you have permission to freak out.

They really have to do something about the situation because right now there are career BRDs with 4 songs and there are people who play it slightly less seriously and are only half as effective. Why not improve the situation so that anybody can be as good as BRDs were at level 90? If it makes you feel better, I'm sure that the new instrument will be too difficult to obtain for many players, and you'll still be able to properly look down upon them.

Are there any plans to add instruments or a throwing weapon to the list of item level 117 RoE gear?

O think it is a smart move on SE to outdate 90 Ochains and instruments. I mean think about it, if your main job was brd or pld why should of you bought SOA? As a company SE wants to sell copies of the expansion, but there was nothing to offer a pld or brd. In addition they could just bought lvl 117 weapons on the AH. So to sell copies they should of had something to offer these two jobs long ago.

As a 119 R/E owner I did feel annoyed that I had to 119 my weapons but lvl 90 was ok for those two jobs.

Thank you SE.

Now just upgrade empy armor.

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Originally Posted by Olor

I miss voidwatch if only because it was content where people actually wanted me to play on BLU. Now, ha ha ha... nothing.

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Being asked to go BLU to VW wasn't playing BLU, you were just a BLM in a different outfit, the reason it was and still is difficult to find a BLU to do VW with is because nobody likes sitting in the back row on BLU. You're there for procs, nothing else.

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Originally Posted by Kimjongil

O think it is a smart move on SE to outdate 90 Ochains and instruments. I mean think about it, if your main job was brd or pld why should of you bought SOA? As a company SE wants to sell copies of the expansion, but there was nothing to offer a pld or brd. In addition they could just bought lvl 117 weapons on the AH. So to sell copies they should of had something to offer these two jobs long ago.

As a 119 R/E owner I did feel annoyed that I had to 119 my weapons but lvl 90 was ok for those two jobs.

Thank you SE.

Now just upgrade empy armor.

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Except they haven't outdated Ochain in the slightest. Just narrowed the gap between it and the next best shield somewhat.

As a 90 Ochain owner, I'm annoyed that the upgrade to 99 is nearly pointless. And that there isn't even a 119 at all. -.- I'd much rather there have been some benefit to taking Ochain up to 99. But it's just not worth the gil just to get a few points of VIT and a bit more mp convert.

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Originally Posted by Calatilla

Being asked to go BLU to VW wasn't playing BLU, you were just a BLM in a different outfit, the reason it was and still is difficult to find a BLU to do VW with is because nobody likes sitting in the back row on BLU. You're there for procs, nothing else.

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I was happy to be whatever the party wanted on VW, playing on the back-line didn't mean I got any less rewards, I'd much rather "back-line Blu" than "not-invited Blu".

I remember back when Blu first came out, many, many times I'd end up going Blu/Whm and curing/debuffing, because there weren't enough Whms and Rdms to go around and it may not have been optimal but I remember it being far better than I expected the first time I tried it.

My only gripe about proc-blu was having to change my spells mid-fight to cover them all if I was the only one. >.>

But yeah, at the end of the day, I think most people just want to be able to participate in these events, even if they might not get to do it the way they want. I mean Schs are invited to Delve for stuns and nothing else, but I think generally they're happy to get to go at all, rather than just having nothing to do now that embrava's nerfed. And I'm pretty sure Smns long for the day when they got to Perfect Defense endgame things cuz at least that meant they got to go Smn even if they might've secretly wished they were there just do damage primarily instead of support.

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Except they haven't outdated Ochain in the slightest. Just narrowed the gap between it and the next best shield somewhat.

As a 90 Ochain owner, I'm annoyed that the upgrade to 99 is nearly pointless. And that there isn't even a 119 at all. -.- I'd much rather there have been some benefit to taking Ochain up to 99. But it's just not worth the gil just to get a few points of VIT and a bit more mp convert.

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I agree with you a 99 Ochain should have had more benefit over 90. Same for most empys. As an empy staff and club holder I feel II got shafted with WOE, and just unlock it. But If I was a pld what do I have to look forward to in SoA. Brd, same.

SO for those 90 shield and brd owners, the new gear is 30 lvls over what most of you have, as most are not 99. Of course it should be better.

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I was happy to be whatever the party wanted on VW, playing on the back-line didn't mean I got any less rewards, I'd much rather "back-line Blu" than "not-invited Blu".

I remember back when Blu first came out, many, many times I'd end up going Blu/Whm and curing/debuffing, because there weren't enough Whms and Rdms to go around and it may not have been optimal but I remember it being far better than I expected the first time I tried it.

My only gripe about proc-blu was having to change my spells mid-fight to cover them all if I was the only one. >.>

But yeah, at the end of the day, I think most people just want to be able to participate in these events, even if they might not get to do it the way they want. I mean Schs are invited to Delve for stuns and nothing else, but I think generally they're happy to get to go at all, rather than just having nothing to do now that embrava's nerfed. And I'm pretty sure Smns long for the day when they got to Perfect Defense endgame things cuz at least that meant they got to go Smn even if they might've secretly wished they were there just do damage primarily instead of support.

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I agree with everything you said, I was just saying the reason it was and still is to a point, hard to find a blu for VW is because if you're on BLU you want to DD not be relegated to the backlines. If however you put in your shout that you already have 1 BLU, its much easier to find a 2nd blu. Spell swapping mid fight is a pain as you said, even more so when the DD`s just zerg everything then complain "y u no get white proc!" when u said 15 times, i need to set it.

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Being asked to go BLU to VW wasn't playing BLU, you were just a BLM in a different outfit, the reason it was and still is difficult to find a BLU to do VW with is because nobody likes sitting in the back row on BLU. You're there for procs, nothing else.

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Yeah, I am aware of what my job was. Again, at least I'm invited ON BLU. I played my role, I played it well - would still rather be a proc star on BLU than playing on WHM or some other job I don't really like.

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I was happy to be whatever the party wanted on VW, playing on the back-line didn't mean I got any less rewards, I'd much rather "back-line Blu" than "not-invited Blu".

I remember back when Blu first came out, many, many times I'd end up going Blu/Whm and curing/debuffing, because there weren't enough Whms and Rdms to go around and it may not have been optimal but I remember it being far better than I expected the first time I tried it.

My only gripe about proc-blu was having to change my spells mid-fight to cover them all if I was the only one. >.>

But yeah, at the end of the day, I think most people just want to be able to participate in these events, even if they might not get to do it the way they want. I mean Schs are invited to Delve for stuns and nothing else, but I think generally they're happy to get to go at all, rather than just having nothing to do now that embrava's nerfed. And I'm pretty sure Smns long for the day when they got to Perfect Defense endgame things cuz at least that meant they got to go Smn even if they might've secretly wished they were there just do damage primarily instead of support.

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This. All of this. Would rather be invited on BLU to proc than not invited on BLU at all. It meant I could actually do the current endgame, on one of my favourite jobs. Versus now, when I don't get invited at all because I only have 2 songs on BRD and a BLU (without Tojil sword) and a BST

I totally get what you're saying and I agree as I said, I didn't mind being a proc-blu to VW, sometimes I prefer it because I can just idle away in the background. But the point I`m trying to make is that a lot of BLU's will not reply to a shout asking for BLU because they don't want to be proc-blu they want to be DD BLU,which is why its difficult to find one.

If VW Procs were more like Abyssea procs, where it's just one spell per element it would be much easier to cover all procs with 1 BLU and still have potential to DD.

It would be nice to have more BLU's like you Olor, who are just happy to come BLU, but that isn't usually the case.

yeah I honestly found it to be one of the most relaxing endgame activities because with spells set I was so gimp (especially /pld) that no one could possibly expect me to do anything but cycle procs and maybe use a AOE temp here or there

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So as a pro bard, you have nothing to fear then.

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That is correct instrument wise I don't need to worry about replacing but my complaint is it's always nice to get something. When everyone else is getting something why not something, ANY upgrade, no matter how small for the rest. To be left out just because of SE's lack of forsight is unfair for those of us who did achieve such goals in game.

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Originally Posted by Camiie

By your reasoning every DD with an RME was slapped in the face when Adoulin came out. You had a much longer wait before your dominance was challenged, so you really have nothing to complain about.

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Yes I agree, EVERY DD that had RME was slapped in the face when Delve weapons were released. Again the players paid the price for SE's lack of forsight and understanding about how we the players viewed weapons and the reasons why we made RME's.

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I think you're mistaking the word career for princess. No worries. It's a common mistake.

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I Think I've worked very hard for the gear I have considering my IRL work schedule. Unless you know someone's IRL situation, in my opinion you have no right to criticize someone's gear choices.

I'm not saying everyone should be a RME brd. I'm not saying that everyone must do it. This is my opinion and I think I'm entitled to it. The forums are a way for me to post them and for SE to read them.

I will get to 99 Daurdabla, it's just a matter of time. The journey is what counts. The result is nice too, but I've known many relic holders that got their relic at 75(back in 75 cap days) then quit a few months after because they had nothing to do, nothing to strive for. I'm pretty sure this won't happen to me but the thought that I would have nothing to strive for for brd has crossed my mind.

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If skill is more important than gear then what the heck is your problem? It sounds like you just want to shut people out of your exclusive club or something.

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My point is again we shouldn't be left out on upgrades both Shield, Horn and Harp didn't get any upgrade when RME upgrades came out from SE's lack of forsight. Look at BRD Job points. SE clearly doesn't know what to do with brd because they didn't forsee adoulin coming out. Decreased casting time for songs sung under Soul Voice does not help. Most brds have 5/5 Nightingale which they already use under Soul Voice which is instant casting of songs.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Greetings,
[*]Instruments
In the April version update we will be introducing a new instrument that grants an additional song. As this effect is extremely powerful, it won't be so easy to obtain; however, we'd like this to be another option in addition to Daurdabla.

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It won't be easy to obtain huh. I don't think SE understand the meaning of "It won't be so easy to obtain"

All you need to get it is 1 delve win from original 3, 1 win from the new 3, a win from difficult or very difficult SCKNM, Cehuetzi Pelt, Ebony Harp, Shofar, and 150 of Beititsu, Pluton, or Riftborn Boulder.

Some have already gotten the new harp in hours of update completion. How is this hard to get?

Yes it is limited to 3 songs but until SE fixes VW to make it more lowman friendly the ability to get HMP and Cinders, Daurdabla is hampered by the limited amount of people that actually still do voidwatch.

lol "easy to get" - as I said earlier - this harp will only be easy to get for the people that need it the least (AKA those people who already have all wins etc). Folks like me, who would like to help bard up the world, are completely locked out. I have 0 delve wins and, being in a small social shell and having limited playtime, I will be like that for awhile. Should have been something that folks not already finished with current endgame could get so you know, we could actually DO current endgame. Fail SE, fail.

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It won't be easy to obtain huh. I don't think SE understand the meaning of "It won't be so easy to obtain"

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That or you don't, it's not like this is super easy for your average player...

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All you need to get it is 1 delve win from original 3, 1 win from the new 3, a win from difficult or very difficult SCKNM, Cehuetzi Pelt, Ebony Harp, Shofar, and 150 of Beititsu, Pluton, or Riftborn Boulder.

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Ok, so lets assume you have a win already from an original Delve or from AAs, that leaves the Pelt, Harp, Shofar, and 150 items. Now, everything below is Phoenix prices.

Ebony Harp - 80~100k
Shofar - 250~300k
Cehuetzi Pelt - 7~7.8M
150 P/B/B - 10k or so each.

Add this all up, you get roughly 9M. I don't know about you but to me that seems like a lot of gil for a player without the ability to get into Delve or other pieces of high end content due to lack of a harp with the proper amount of songs able to be cast with it.

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Some have already gotten the new harp in hours of update completion. How is this hard to get?

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Some people had New Delve wins within a day of release too, doesn't mean it was easy by any means, only that it's easy for those with the resources to obtain it...

Uh these weapons are ridiculously easy to make. Even if you don't want to touch Delve at all, you can fulfill the quest prerequisites by completing a macrocosmic/microcosmic BCNM on difficult or by completing an Ark Angel fight on normal difficulty. That's it. Everything else can be bought. I think the estimate above of 9m is reasonable, and any player should be able to come up with this amount. Any player! Seriously guys, you can't complain about this one being too hard.

Too hard? No, I wouldn't dare, but to complain it's too easy would be equally as unreasonable to me.

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Too hard? No, I wouldn't dare, but to complain it's too easy would be equally as unreasonable to me.

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That guy is just salty cause he doesn't have a 99 harp.

The difficulty and cost of this new harp is just right, although if my only two choices were too easy versus too hard I'd lean toward easy.

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lol "easy to get" - as I said earlier - this harp will only be easy to get for the people that need it the least (AKA those people who already have all wins etc). Folks like me, who would like to help bard up the world, are completely locked out. I have 0 delve wins and, being in a small social shell and having limited playtime, I will be like that for awhile. Should have been something that folks not already finished with current endgame could get so you know, we could actually DO current endgame. Fail SE, fail.

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Getting 1 win from 1st tier of delve or 1 win from 2nd tier of delve or 1 win from SCKNM on normal or very hard is hard? SE already gimped delve to be 6 manable with the HP reduction of NMs dependant on how many people enter. Unless this is the first year you've played you should have made a few friends by now that you could team up with to 6 man delves or 6 man SKCNM on normal.

With limited playtime(ie only able to play 3-4) days a week, I was able to gather all the alex to finish my mythic farming salvage. Though it took me 4 years to get all the alex having it, I consider it well worth the time spent.

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Ok, so lets assume you have a win already from an original Delve or from AAs, that leaves the Pelt, Harp, Shofar, and 150 items. Now, everything below is Phoenix prices.

Ebony Harp - 80~100k
Shofar - 250~300k
Cehuetzi Pelt - 7~7.8M
150 P/B/B - 10k or so each.

Add this all up, you get roughly 9M. I don't know about you but to me that seems like a lot of gil for a player without the ability to get into Delve or other pieces of high end content due to lack of a harp with the proper amount of songs able to be cast with it.

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As for the synthesis why not gather materials and contact people witht he required synthesis levels. Usually if you gather materials the synth price becomes much cheaper than the result. Yes you do have to risk the chance of failing the synth and the time it takes to gather the materials. But if you lack gil this is a viable alternative. Or you could farm items, sell and build the gil up to buy the result. There are many ways to the solution, it all depends on what you can do and what you are willing to do.

As for pluton/riftborn/beititsu. Records of Eminence has been out since Dec 11, 2013. IF you have done the limited time trials only once per day since that has been out you would have 119 vouchers as of April 8th. Limited time trials only take at most 30 min to complete(this was the seal one but now faster as all seals are counted) 119 vouchers is 59 of the relic reforge items. Over 1/3 the amount of the 150 requirement.

If it doesn't take time, it takes gil. This has always been the case. You either spend alot of time(FFXI is a game about the long term) or spend high amounts of gil to bypass the time requirement. Everything in the game can be accomplished with time.

You don't have to spend gil to get what you want, you can spend time. Keep trying, lead the runs and learn the strategies. Ask friends for help, this is a MMORPG that requires teamwork.

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That guy is just salty cause he doesn't have a 99 harp.

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As for my progress to 99 Daurdabla. As I tell others, why are you so concerned about MY gear. I'll get to 99 eventually but at my pace and my terms. If your so concerned about MY gear you should give me HMP and cinders. I choose not to rush because I've known so may people who back in the 75 days finished relic, used it for a month or so then quit the game because they had nothing left to accomplish. I doubt I'd quit but it has occurred to me that once I finish 99 Daurdabla, there really isn't anything left for me to do as brd. So what would be my motivation as brd.

Many things are way easier now. Back in '07-'09 when I was doing Gjallarhorn there still was dynamis hourglass cost. Dynamis still required alot of manpower to farm efficiently. Currency was 10k-12k each. If you want something work for it, make gil, get wins. Keep trying you may fail alot, treat each loss as a learning experience and build upon it. But above all keep trying. The journey is what counts and when you do get the wins, they will be that much more satisfying.

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As for my progress to 99 Daurdabla. As I tell others, why are you so concerned about MY gear. I'll get to 99 eventually but at my pace and my terms. If your so concerned about MY gear you should give me HMP and cinders. I choose not to rush because I've known so may people who back in the 75 days finished relic, used it for a month or so then quit the game because they had nothing left to accomplish. I doubt I'd quit but it has occurred to me that once I finish 99 Daurdabla, there really isn't anything left for me to do as brd. So what would be my motivation as brd.

Many things are way easier now. Back in '07-'09 when I was doing Gjallarhorn there still was dynamis hourglass cost. Dynamis still required alot of manpower to farm efficiently. Currency was 10k-12k each. If you want something work for it, make gil, get wins. Keep trying you may fail alot, treat each loss as a learning experience and build upon it. But above all keep trying. The journey is what counts and when you do get the wins, they will be that much more satisfying.

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I never would have had one inkling of what your gear was if you hadn't posted it for anybody to see. Look, you have a Ghorn 99 and a Carn 119. You should have a Daurdabla 99 already, and it should have been done before the Mythic. That's all there is to it. You simply cannot call yourself a career BRD, then make a Carn before finishing Daurdabla to 99, and then complain when SE introduces an easy 3-song alternative. It's just not logical. And that's all I'm gonna say about that.

Also, just because you complete your BRD goals doesn't mean the game is over and you've won. Maybe you strive for perfect gear. Maybe you work on another job. Maybe you... cap job points? Someone I knew sponsored our LS dynamis for a year, finished his Yoichi, and then quit within a couple weeks. Don't be that guy, it's a slap in the face for whoever helped you.

As for your other point, I'm pretty much in agreement. The harp is pretty straightforward to make, and anybody can do it. Although unlike you, I think it should be that way. It means that I can make a harp on my mule. It means that others in my linkshell who are not RME BRDs can still play the job competently and I might get to come on something different. The reasonable baseline for the job just got a little higher and that's good for the playerbase as a whole.

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lol "easy to get" - as I said earlier - this harp will only be easy to get for the people that need it the least (AKA those people who already have all wins etc). Folks like me, who would like to help bard up the world, are completely locked out. I have 0 delve wins and, being in a small social shell and having limited playtime, I will be like that for awhile. Should have been something that folks not already finished with current endgame could get so you know, we could actually DO current endgame. Fail SE, fail.

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All you ever do on these forums is complain complain complain. For someone who constantly moans about his playtime being limited, you should be spending less time on this forum complaining and more time actually playing....

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Getting 1 win from 1st tier of delve or 1 win from 2nd tier of delve or 1 win from SCKNM on normal or very hard is hard? SE already gimped delve to be 6 manable with the HP reduction of NMs dependant on how many people enter. Unless this is the first year you've played you should have made a few friends by now that you could team up with to 6 man delves or 6 man SKCNM on normal.

With limited playtime(ie only able to play 3-4) days a week, I was able to gather all the alex to finish my mythic farming salvage. Though it took me 4 years to get all the alex having it, I consider it well worth the time spent.

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It's a Normal AA or a SKCNM on Very Hard, not a SKCNM on Normal. As for Delve, the fact they made it 6-man able made it harder to get wins, not easier, because anyone who doesn't have 119 weapons and the specific gear people want don't get in. No Oats? Nope, not allowed. No March+4? Nope, go away. It's not like that made it easier, if anything it restricted the content even more and strengthened an issue people were trying to escape.

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As for the synthesis why not gather materials and contact people witht he required synthesis levels. Usually if you gather materials the synth price becomes much cheaper than the result. Yes you do have to risk the chance of failing the synth and the time it takes to gather the materials. But if you lack gil this is a viable alternative. Or you could farm items, sell and build the gil up to buy the result. There are many ways to the solution, it all depends on what you can do and what you are willing to do.

As for pluton/riftborn/beititsu. Records of Eminence has been out since Dec 11, 2013. IF you have done the limited time trials only once per day since that has been out you would have 119 vouchers as of April 8th. Limited time trials only take at most 30 min to complete(this was the seal one but now faster as all seals are counted) 119 vouchers is 59 of the relic reforge items. Over 1/3 the amount of the 150 requirement.

If it doesn't take time, it takes gil. This has always been the case. You either spend alot of time(FFXI is a game about the long term) or spend high amounts of gil to bypass the time requirement. Everything in the game can be accomplished with time.

You don't have to spend gil to get what you want, you can spend time. Keep trying, lead the runs and learn the strategies. Ask friends for help, this is a MMORPG that requires teamwork.

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None of this at all reduces the cost for the pelt which is the overwhelming majority of the cost for the overall item either.

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As for my progress to 99 Daurdabla. As I tell others, why are you so concerned about MY gear. I'll get to 99 eventually but at my pace and my terms. If your so concerned about MY gear you should give me HMP and cinders. I choose not to rush because I've known so may people who back in the 75 days finished relic, used it for a month or so then quit the game because they had nothing left to accomplish. I doubt I'd quit but it has occurred to me that once I finish 99 Daurdabla, there really isn't anything left for me to do as brd. So what would be my motivation as brd.

Many things are way easier now. Back in '07-'09 when I was doing Gjallarhorn there still was dynamis hourglass cost. Dynamis still required alot of manpower to farm efficiently. Currency was 10k-12k each. If you want something work for it, make gil, get wins. Keep trying you may fail alot, treat each loss as a learning experience and build upon it. But above all keep trying.

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Your gear matters because it seems to be the one and only reason you continue to complain about a 3 song harp existing outside of Empyrean that isn't exactly as hard as you want it to be.

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The journey is what counts and when you do get the wins, they will be that much more satisfying.

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The journey of making a Relic and/or Empyrean just to play a job has never been satisfying, it's always been stupid, thankfully we moved past a time when that was required for all jobs yet for some reason you seem to be against the update that actually gives BRD more of a chance of moving away from it finally too.

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Originally Posted by Draylo

All you ever do on these forums is complain complain complain. For someone who constantly moans about his playtime being limited, you should be spending less time on this forum complaining and more time actually playing....

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a) I've made tons of constructive suggestions. Go check the trust forum for my suggestion on turning pankraton monsters into trusts. Or go check the ROE section for my suggestion on how to make missions easier to complete without leaving the game and having to read a wiki. You're complaining about my suggestions/concerns - which, frankly, adds nothing to any discussion.

b) I post when I am on lunch/coffee breaks at work, when I can't play XI. So thanks for the suggestion but it cannot be implemented.

c) I'm frustrated because I want to play BRD and with the way things currently are, I might as well not even have it leveled.

d) I'm a woman, thanks.

On my backwater server, Cehuetzi pelts are 8m currently. I expect that to dip another couple mil when all is said and done. But for now, it's pretty accurate to say that the harp costs 9m. Are you saying that 9m is too hard? Or are we arguing about being able to complete one of the prerequisites? Because you could easily earn that gil within 3-4 Dynamis runs.

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Originally Posted by detlef

On my backwater server, Cehuetzi pelts are 8m currently. I expect that to dip another couple mil when all is said and done. But for now, it's pretty accurate to say that the harp costs 9m. Are you saying that 9m is too hard? Or are we arguing about being able to complete one of the prerequisites? Because you could easily earn that gil within 3-4 Dynamis runs.

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Most I've ever earned in a dyna run is a few hundred K.... also I don't have the pre-req, nor a job that is welcome on one of those runs.

Look, I'm sure in a year or two when its no longer current content I might be able to get it, but looks pretty out of reach right now. The fact that people WHO DON'T NEED IT won't have a hard time getting it, doesn't make it easy content.

I feel pretty confident that you can manage to build a party that can complete a SKC10 battlefield on difficult. I've done SKC20s on normal with 4 players almost entirely in sparks gear (two of us had a few 109 AF pieces we reforged with tales bought with sparks). Throw in another DD and a bard to soul voice and I'm sure you can burn down one of those things on difficult without too much trouble.

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Originally Posted by Olor

Most I've ever earned in a dyna run is a few hundred K.... also I don't have the pre-req, nor a job that is welcome on one of those runs.

Look, I'm sure in a year or two when its no longer current content I might be able to get it, but looks pretty out of reach right now. The fact that people WHO DON'T NEED IT won't have a hard time getting it, doesn't make it easy content.

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Few hundred k from a dyna run? You are doing it so wrong...

Yeah really. I'm not exactly the best dyna farmer but even I managed to get more than 700k per run even before we got item level gear.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

Yeah really. I'm not exactly the best dyna farmer but even I managed to get more than 700k per run even before we got item level gear.

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I haven't gone since ilevel. I've been a bit busy - then I got addicted to pankraton, which is fun and doesn't require 2 hours time committment. While it might be more efficient now, there are also more people farming it... so it never seems worth it to enter.

I don't believe I can do AA because I haven't finished zilart. Am I wrong?

Have you considered finishing your Zilart missions? Although difficult SKC10/20 are easier anyway.

You should be able to rack up 250-300 singles per Dynamis run once you get the hang of it. It's very easy and the only issue really is overcrowding (which is a significant issue, but still).

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Originally Posted by detlef

Have you considered finishing your Zilart missions? Although difficult SKC10/20 are easier anyway.

You should be able to rack up 250-300 singles per Dynamis run once you get the hang of it. It's very easy and the only issue really is overcrowding (which is a significant issue, but still).

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Yeah been meaning to give it a try since finishing up my THF. Just need to upgrade the TH boots. I appreciate the encouragement.

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Originally Posted by Demonjustin

The journey of making a Relic and/or Empyrean just to play a job has never been satisfying, it's always been stupid, thankfully we moved past a time when that was required for all jobs yet for some reason you seem to be against the update that actually gives BRD more of a chance of moving away from it finally too.

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If that was the case to give BRD a chance of finally moving away from it, why are people charging so much for the Cehuetzi Pelt. Yes I understand supply and demand but if others want more 3 song brds and they lack the gil to buy them at the high cost, the same result happens, lack of 3 song brds. Whenever I get one, I plan to just give them away to brds I know that arn't 3 song.

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Originally Posted by VoiceMemo

If that was the case to give BRD a chance of finally moving away from it, why are people charging so much for the Cehuetzi Pelt. Yes I understand supply and demand but if others want more 3 song brds and they lack the gil to buy them at the high cost, the same result happens, lack of 3 song brds. Whenever I get one, I plan to just give them away to brds I know that arn't 3 song.

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It's greed mostly. Anything that can be sold in this game will be price gouged whenever SE adds new content involving it. Give it a few months so the people that must have the it now buy all they need, and the price of the pelt should eventually go down.