Invitation to Plasm Farming

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Originally Posted by Daemon

Due to being heavily criticized by Karah Sparthos slaxxx tamoa Nebo
Asymptotic

Ive decided to remove my guide. And yes you gave me a reason to never come back to FFXI.

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Really? You went and deleted all of your posts because you are butthurt that I - and others - pointed out where you were flat-out wrong and how certain choices were inferior? And that wasn't even in this thread, but an entirely different one.

If 6 people criticizing you on an internet forum was enough to make you quit the game, it really makes me wonder what you'll do if and when people criticize you and prove you wrong in real life.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

Really? You went and deleted all of your posts because you are butthurt that I - and others - pointed out where you were flat-out wrong and how certain choices were inferior? And that wasn't even in this thread, but an entirely different one.

If 6 people criticizing you on an internet forum was enough to make you quit the game, it really makes me wonder what you'll do if and when people criticize you and prove you wrong in real life.

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But you had no reason to point me wrong. You people asked how my build was. I told you how and why. And this was plasm farming for godsake it was not even Bosses T5 or something complicating of higher skill requirement and demand. Just because you have high end game gears does not mean everyone does.

It wasn't about who was right or wrong. It was about telling other people not to obtain gears that you say was worthless.

I never stated my build was better than yours. Or my build was the best way. And I never said you were wrong. I said your build is different and that's ok. I just think in some things it can be overgearing for certain places where you don't really have to.

You asked me if I full time Hvelgamir. I responded to your answer but then look at the way you responded to that?

If you deal with people like this, I question how many people in the real world is going to accept that and stick around?

This was my point. You should not be telling people they are flat out wrong because this wasnt a game of who is right. You shouldnt advise and expect a medical intern to skip college and med school because you think it's worthless and expect them to be a knowledgable successful doctor on the same level as you.

And it does not matter what thread it was. Telling others that I don't know anything not to listen to the op because he is misguiding people led me to eliminate my work for your cause.

And by the way it was more than 6 just the same when bullies gather together and feed each other the motive to hate on 1 person.

So id rather go somewhere else.

And a couple of people did point out that the treatment you people gave me was undeserved.

Due to not wanting to further continue any debates, arguments or negative comments of hatred, I hope the devs will lock this post and let it die.

I didn't post in this thread at all -.- (until now)

One should learn to handle constructive criticism though.

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Originally Posted by Karah

I didn't post in this thread at all -.- (until now)

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It was your attitude in the other thread.

I mean, one thread = another thread now? Just because you're wrong in one place, doesn't mean you didn't do (some) good somewhere else dood.

Admitted I never read any of it (here) which is why I never posted.

Eh whatever, I have no problem being "the bad guy". It's even better to be the bad guy without even actually doing anything lol.

Due to not wanting to further continue any debates, arguments or negative comments of hatred, I hope the devs will lock this post and let it die.

Nobody asked you how your build for anything was. You brought up the ws Myrkr as something useful, which made me wonder how on earth that can be useful when every single mage job should be swapping their weapon when casting to maximize their efficiency/spell effect - meaning you will never have tp, and this is why I eventually asked if you fulltime Hvergelmir. The thread is still there, go back and read it. In addition, you were the one telling us how you purposely cure in less than 50% potency - nobody asked you about this, you told us.

Sylow even proved to you, by using maths, how relying on Myrkr is inferior to something as simple as having 1mp/tick refresh.

You could have chosen not to reply to us, thus dragging the arguing out further - hell, you could have blocked us all, even.

Due to not wanting to further continue any debates, arguments or negative comments of hatred, I hope the devs will lock this post and let it die.

The Devs had to lock the other thread because of how bad it got out of hand with the way you people responded. Again it's not about who was right or wrong why are you not getting that already? Taking us way off point to prove whose build was better and then unreasonable name calling, ganging up against 1 person, it's too late to explain yourself now.

I've eliminated my work for your criticism and for your cause. I've ended my subscription. I'm out. And yes between Karah, Slaxxx, Sparthos and Tamoa you are the main reasons for me to take down my guide.

Due to not wanting to further continue any debates, arguments or negative comments of hatred, I hope the devs will lock this post and let it die.

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Originally Posted by Karah

I mean, one thread = another thread now? Just because you're wrong in one place, doesn't mean you didn't do (some) good somewhere else dood.

Admitted I never read any of it (here) which is why I never posted.

Eh whatever, I have no problem being "the bad guy". It's even better to be the bad guy without even actually doing anything lol.

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I mean 1 thread bad enough to make a person quit the game? Yeah.

Bullying, it's in the news lately.

If you knew I was doing "some" good, you wouldn't have treated me like that to begin with.

Due to not wanting to further continue any debates, arguments or negative comments of hatred, I hope the devs will lock this post and let it die.

Well, I must admit, this is amusing. So, carry on dood. Do ya thang.

You really need to grow a thicker skin in you think someone arguing/disagreeing with you (and telling you why they disagree) is the same as you being bullied. And I never called you names, not once.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

You really need to grow a thicker skin in you think someone arguing/disagreeing with you (and telling you why they disagree) is the same as you being bullied. And I never called you names, not once.

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Than that doesn't apply to you does it. For every 1 reply I try to answer I get 3-5 replies assuming from people thinking I'm talking to all of them.

Again it's way too late for you to explain yourself. I've already cancelled my subscription and eliminated my guide on your behalf. Damage has been done, learn to deal with your actions before you trash somebody else (And no that does not mean by cursing and name calling only.)

Grow a thicker skin after enduring past 200+ replies and comments? Yeah.. Ok.

I wrote my personal experience on how I used my setup. You posted links of other people writing info down rather than your own. And criticized me for wielding a WS EMP.

Due to not wanting to further continue any debates, arguments or negative comments of hatred, I hope the devs will lock this post and let it die.

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Originally Posted by Karah

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So we know how good you are for posting art work you found on the web yay.

And this is coming from the mind of an adult.

Due to not wanting to further continue any debates, arguments or negative comments of hatred, I hope the devs will lock this post and let it die.

I just truly and honestly want to see how many times you'll continue to reply.

You accuse me of something, well, I may as well make you honest.

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Originally Posted by Karah

I just truly and honestly want to see how many times you'll continue to reply.

You accuse me of something, well, I may as well make you honest.

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What was it you said on the other post? Ok campers what?

And yet you still continue to provoke me to answer you. And rather than ignore you as if you don't exist. I've shown respect and modesty by acknowledging you.

Hit like comment was enough for me to erase my guide thanks.

Due to not wanting to further continue any debates, arguments or negative comments of hatred, I hope the devs will lock this post and let it die.

You have to admit advocating full timing hvergelmir is pretty stupid. That's what that was in regards too.

Honestly, I give anyone who even equips one shit when I see them, (disclaimer, I do own one).

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Originally Posted by Karah

You have to admit advocating full timing hvergelmir is pretty stupid. That's what that was in regards too.

Honestly, I give anyone who even equips one shit when I see them, (disclaimer, I do own one).

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And did you even read the part where I said Full time during the Regain phase? How else do you use it then? Am I suppose to engage battle and raise it?

If I'm already raising the entire parties TP(Including mine) through Adloquium then why not use it especially if Plasm party is NOT boss party where you need to use capped potency.

And in case you are doing bosses where you run out of other MP recovery options wouldn't Icarus wing and Myrkr help "at the moment?" As a last resort?

If I'm already doing a good job keeping party alive then what's the issue? It's accomplishing the same thing either way. I just chose to make use of the TP I gained from Adloquium which also keeps me focused on keeping that spell up as first priority rather than forget.

Yeah key to this is so I won't forget to keep Adloquium up on all members.

Even without cure potency staff I could have 36% Cure Potency with

Oretanias Cape +4%
Roundel earring +5%
Serpentes set 5%
Hekas 15%
Augurs gloves 4%
Fylga Torque 3%

That's only gear. Therefore I don't lose TP for not switching weapon.

That's not good enough with Phalanx, Regen V up? I mean I really need to have 50% cure potency for plasm farming?

And why is it so bad to use Hvelgamir if I spent all that effort earning it?
But then again I'm wrong right?


That was my argument on why I said it wasn't worthless.

By the way my team has been netting 9k plasm per run playing the build I chose to play without any issue.

But it does not matter about experience and skills of the person playing the job, it's about statistics and mechanics right?

(Disclaimer: I never said my build was the only way, or the best way. I just choose to play different than others. And yes I own Hvelgamir too.)

You don't use it, that's the way to use it.

It goes into your mogsafe, it collects dust, that's it's proper use.

If you spent less time curing in the wrong gear, you would spend less mp negating the need to mrkyr. Pretty simple logic, which was already explained to you.

It had one minor use, during Voidwatch, before we were told about /fume and you couldn't get the procs. change > wing > mrkyr. Even that was stretching it's usefulness.

If you're not curing, and/or stunning then you're a wasted slot in the alliance. People don't invite a scholar to get adloquium.

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Originally Posted by Karah

You have to admit advocating full timing hvergelmir is pretty stupid. That's what that was in regards too.

Honestly, I give anyone who even equips one shit when I see them, (disclaimer, I do own one).

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Mine's town gear only - that's acceptable, right? @.@

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Originally Posted by Daemon

Due to not wanting to further continue any debates, arguments or negative comments of hatred, I hope the devs will lock this post and let it die.

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You keep adding this to every post yet you keep replying. You do realize you're contradicting yourself, right?

And no, I don't feel particularly bad about "driving you to quit". If you cannot handle being criticized at all then you really should refrain from posting on the internet. Now, I don't know if you're a student or if you have a job - but what do you do if your teacher or another student tells you you are wrong and shows you why? Quit school? And if your boss or a co-worker tells you you are wrong or shows you how another solution is more efficient? Quit your job?

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Originally Posted by Daemon

And in case you are doing bosses where you run out of other MP recovery options wouldn't Icarus wing and Myrkr help "at the moment?"

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No, for that the Vile elixirs are a great help, and if it happens that I am out of mine and need more we have our melee bring and bazaar them.
An icarus wing leaves you medicated for 2 hours, so for a meager 20% return of your mp it's not worth it.

And if you need several Viles to cope with MP consumption there's something else terribly amiss.

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Originally Posted by Daemon

Even without cure potency staff I could have 36% Cure Potency with

Oretanias Cape +4%
Roundel earring +5%
Serpentes set 5%
Hekas 15%
Augurs gloves 4%
Fylga Torque 3%

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Interesting, two pairs of gloves in one set, and still faaar from optimal.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/306862
Add in a pair of augmented Zentih pumps and voila, capped cure potency.
I'm sure people can make more optimal sets, but this is what I could come up with quickly with reasonably obtainable gear.

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Originally Posted by Daemon

Even without cure potency staff I could have 36% Cure Potency with

Oretanias Cape +4%
Roundel earring +5%
Serpentes set 5%
Hekas 15%
Augurs gloves 4%
Fylga Torque 3%

That's not good enough with Regen V up? I mean I really need 50% for plasm farming?

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You have talked about being mp efficient in the other thread that was locked. Don't you see how purposely having less than 50% cure potency is the exact opposite of being mp efficient?

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Originally Posted by Daemon

By they way my team has been netting 9k plasm per run playing the build I chose to play without any issue.

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More than anything that's going to be because the DDs aren't shit.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

You have talked about being mp efficient in the other thread that was locked. Don't you see how purposely having less than 50% cure potency is the exact opposite of being mp efficient?

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In other threads I explained that "you have other options" on how to keep mp up or keep heal up. The job has the abilities no?? Some people criticized me for suggesting Rapture. Why do we even have the skill then?? If I can keep MP up regardless why is it a problem on wanting to enjoy the EMP staff I earned?? I never said I had a problem being effecient.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

More than anything that's going to be because the DDs aren't shit.

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Yeah ok. So Scholar absolutely makes no difference from Protect & Shell V, Adloquium, Phalanx, Stoneskin, Enblizzard, Haste, Firestorm +7 STR, Regen V and Embrava.

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Originally Posted by Shirai

No, for that the Vile elixirs are a great help, and if it happens that I am out of mine and need more we have our melee bring and bazaar them.
An icarus wing leaves you medicated for 2 hours, so for a meager 20% return of your mp it's not worth it.

And if you need several Viles to cope with MP consumption there's something else terribly amiss.



Interesting, two pairs of gloves in one set, and still faaar from optimal.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item-sets/306862
Add in a pair of augmented Zentih pumps and voila, capped cure potency.
I'm sure people can make more optimal sets, but this is what I could come up with quickly with reasonably obtainable gear.

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Yeah ok point wasn't about whats best. Point was do I really need 50% cure potency for plasm farming when I'm not having trouble keeping the team alive, buffed and have no issue depending on myself to recover mp without the support of Bard and Cor?

And Vile Elixer+1 is 180k on my sever and you can only use it once being that its Rare item. Which I almost never have to use.

You see you both are still continuing to prove that I'm wrong for choosing to play a different style than yours. And trying to prove I'm wrong for playing the way I want.

I never said your build is wrong. I never said mine is the best. I'm saying Hvelgamir is not worthless and has its uses. And that my style of play is not the same as everyone else.

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Originally Posted by Daemon

In other threads I explained that "you have other options" on how to keep mp up or keep heal up. The job has the abilities no?? Some people criticized me for suggesting Rapture. Why do we even have the skill then??

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You really don't get it, do you. Okay I'll try to keep it very very basic and simple; by not having 50% cure potency it means you might have to cast CureIV instead of CureIII to be able to cure for the same amount as a 50% potency CureIII would. How is that mp efficient?

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Originally Posted by Daemon

Yeah ok. So Scholar absolutely makes no difference from Protect & Shell V, Adloquium, Phalanx, Stoneskin, Enblizzard, Haste, Firestorm +7 STR, Regen V and Embrava.

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Did I say the sch makes no difference? The fact is though, if the DDs are shitty, you kill much slower, meaning the DDs will also take more damage per fight, healer have to spam cures, slept mobs will wake up and attack whoever slept them, meaning the sleepers (often the brd) might die - and all this often result in multiple deaths, slowing the whole run down immensely. Been there done that. There's a HUGE difference between plasm farming with good DDs and bad DDs.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

You really don't get it, do you. Okay I'll try to keep it very very basic and simple; by not having 50% cure potency it means you might have to cast CureIV instead of CureIII to be able to cure for the same amount as a 50% potency CureIII would. How is that mp efficient?





Did I say the sch makes no difference? The fact is though, if the DDs are shitty, you kill much slower, meaning the DDs will also take more damage per fight, healer have to spam cures, slept mobs will wake up and attack whoever slept them, meaning the sleepers (often the brd) might die - and all this often result in multiple deaths, slowing the whole run down immensely. Been there done that. There's a HUGE difference between plasm farming with good DDs and bad DDs.

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Ok but that's your way of playing the job. I never said I was struggling to keep DDs alive. In fact I don't need to Cure my team often because of Regen V & Phalanx.

I don't understand why you are trying so hard to prove that my playstyle of choice is wrong. I earned EMP staff why is it wrobg for me to use it? Plasm farming is not hard.

I can understand if it was A boss fight but these are not NMs, these are regular monsters in delve.

Yes, your playstyle is extremely inefficient. So yes, you are doing it wrong.

And this is the last I will say about it, I will keep reading because bluntly said, you and your arguments are quite amusing.

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Originally Posted by Shirai

Yes, your playstyle is extremely inefficient. So yes, you are doing it wrong.

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If I was having a hard time keeping buffs up and keeping my team alive. Or if I was struggling to keep my mp up. Then you can tell me that my way is wrong.

If I had bard and Cor for mp, then I never use Myrkr.

But I tell them not to worry about me and focus on DD as I am in the way during runs making them do extra work. (I'm usually too close to DDs for Accession)

So what is the problem, we are accomplishing the same goal? Is it because you follow statistics & mechanics?

You must have the wrong impression. I never rest for mp, almost never use convert. Almost never use Icarus and Vile Elixer and handle my own with Sublimation and Myrkr.

Maybe in 1 run I use Myrkr 2 times, 3 the most depending on DD but that's only because Im making use of the TP I gained from Adloquium.

Again I'm not saying my build is right or the best. I'm saying I choose to play differently than you. Is that bad really?

I worked hard for Hvelagamir, and you are saying I'm wrong for wanting to use it.

I've almost never had my MP run out unless I had to raise people and that's when Convert, Vile Elixer and Icarus Wing is an available option for me.

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Originally Posted by Daemon

Ok but that's your way of playing the job. I never said I was struggling to keep DDs alive. In fact I don't need to Cure my team often because of Regen V & Phalanx.

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Which further shows, in addition to what you said about getting 9k plasm/run, that you have good DDs.

Enjoy your empyrean staff as much as you like. But please refrain from saying it's useful, because it isn't.

I can see your point better if I had to use Cure often. But what you don't seem to understand is that through strategy, I don't use Cure that much but rely on Regen V, Phalanx, Stoneskin to do the job.

And yes my team is good that we kill fast and earn 9k plasm per run. Therefore I don't spend the entire time curing.

Unless your DDs are killing slow requiring you to use cure often then I'm understanding why you would use Cure Potency 50%. Most of my mp is focused on Buffs. And I heavily rely on Regen V do most of the work with an occasional cure here and there.

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Originally Posted by Tamoa

Enjoy your empyrean staff as much as you like. But please refrain from saying it's useful, because it isn't.

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Well worthless I still disagree. I still think if you are fighting T5 Bosses and if you died, or ran out of MP or had no Elixers and Convert was on countdown.

You still could switch over to Hvelgamir, pop an Icarus Wing and use Myrkr from far away. Atleast that would give you 200+ MP and if you casted Adloquium while weakened, that would be even better. By the time you do unweaken, TP could well be close to 300% and at 300%, you would gain 900-1k mp back instantly.

Unless its best to use sublimation while weakened? O.o

But that's just my opinion.

buddy, you're free to do whatever the hell you want until people decide that they're free to not play with you anymore.

the problem with then taking that here and advocating it however, is that OTHER people might read it, and then also do it. you're spreading it around, infesting the zeitgeist. if it's provably bad advice, then these people are really just doing a public service debunking it.

the big Hvergelmir hangup here is a good example because, especially for a newer player, it's a LOT of effort; for very little to no benefit. (many would argue that the way you're using it, it HURTS you. you lose cure potency of course, but you also lose magic acc on enfeebles, magic damage on nukes, and potentially even a little potency on enhancing spells.) and what do you gain? less mp sustain than if you'd just used an owleyes, which wouldn't have had all those downsides.

if you wanna carry it around to swap in, wing, get your mp, and swap out? fine. neat trick. but if you fulltime it, you are HURTING your alliance. they are not doing well BECAUSE of you, they are doing well IN SPITE of you.

to advocate such a limited gimmick when players could be putting their energy towards something more useful, is harmful to the community. they're not going to get left behind for delve because they don't have a delve weapon, they're going to get left behind for delve because they fulltime a hvergelmir and don't have a full cure potency set and a strong magic acc set. sure you can get away with it farming plasm, but what are you gonna spend that plasm on if you can't kill the nm's?


i'm sorry man but these people weren't bullying you, they were correcting you. now if you wanna take your ball and go home, fine. but you have to go home...

That's a shame. I was really hoping to look through the guide again. Found it the other night, I work nights and when things get slow I check out the forums. I only get a chance to play XI during the day and I wanted to apply some of those methods in order to help fund my gungnir (I know lolshock spikes) but now it's all gone =(

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Originally Posted by Doombringer

buddy, you're free to do whatever the hell you want until people decide that they're free to not play with you anymore.

the problem with then taking that here and advocating it however, is that OTHER people might read it, and then also do it. you're spreading it around, infesting the zeitgeist. if it's provably bad advice, then these people are really just doing a public service debunking it.

the big Hvergelmir hangup here is a good example because, especially for a newer player, it's a LOT of effort; for very little to no benefit. (many would argue that the way you're using it, it HURTS you. you lose cure potency of course, but you also lose magic acc on enfeebles, magic damage on nukes, and potentially even a little potency on enhancing spells.) and what do you gain? less mp sustain than if you'd just used an owleyes, which wouldn't have had all those downsides.

if you wanna carry it around to swap in, wing, get your mp, and swap out? fine. neat trick. but if you fulltime it, you are HURTING your alliance. they are not doing well BECAUSE of you, they are doing well IN SPITE of you.

to advocate such a limited gimmick when players could be putting their energy towards something more useful, is harmful to the community. they're not going to get left behind for delve because they don't have a delve weapon, they're going to get left behind for delve because they fulltime a hvergelmir and don't have a full cure potency set and a strong magic acc set. sure you can get away with it farming plasm, but what are you gonna spend that plasm on if you can't kill the nm's?


i'm sorry man but these people weren't bullying you, they were correcting you. now if you wanna take your ball and go home, fine. but you have to go home...

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And you did not read the entire conversation.

I already said. When it comes to NMs, I agree you need 50% potency.
T5 boss run, I said Hvelgamir could be useful.

Reading small parts of the conversation without knowing everything the person said beforehand leads to misunderstanding.
Plasm farming is not hard. Most of my MP goes toward Enhancing and buffs due to Accession. Not cure.

Because the DD in my group were well geared. Killing fast allows me to use less Cure which also allows me to use less cure potency and focus more on buffs.
Mechanics and Statististics does not overrule Experiance and Skills of the job you are playing. Strategy does exist otherwise why have all the job abilities in the first place?
Not everyone is going to have the same gear as you. We make do with what we have.

And that's where strategy differs.

I believe our conversation came to an end after it was realized that a party with bad DDs lead to slow kills leads to more cure, which in this case is why 50% cure potency is needed.

Hvelgamir only took 2 weeks to earn. WoE version could take less.

Flat out saying it has no benefit I still do not believe. I already stated why. Are you really going to eliminate a small option that could make a difference? No matter how little the detail, in the end small details lead to bigger outcomes that could help you to be stronger and survive better. I just don't understand why people ignore this? Because it takes too long? No time?

You advise people it's worthless. I use it all the time and say its not. I don't have it because it looks pretty, and I don't keep it in store collecting dust.

I've use it in many occasions such as death and reraise, weakens status and it has its use.

If our party makes 9k plasm, how am I hurting my alliance? Is that weak? Are we suppose to be making more than that?

I think the issue here is that you are assuming I party with bad DDs or Half DDs. And not seeing how gear and skills can change the outcome of your strategy.

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Originally Posted by Toukai

That's a shame. I was really hoping to look through the guide again. Found it the other night, I work nights and when things get slow I check out the forums. I only get a chance to play XI during the day and I wanted to apply some of those methods in order to help fund my gungnir (I know lolshock spikes) but now it's all gone =(

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And I apologize, I removed it because I was criticized for not knowing anything and didn't want to further mislead people with my work. Also didn't get enough feedback.

You say there wasn't enough feedback, there was, just not the positive type you so desired, had you simply accepted that others had given info which was more accurate or in the case of Emp Staff v Owleyes you could have simply continued onward and had people getting help from this. Instead you are acting like a little kid who thought since a couple people made fun of your sand castle you would just smash it with your shovel and complain people made you do it because they made fun of you. You said your goal here was to help people, well, some of the things you said were helping people, but then you deleted everything, now all you did was waste your time when you put all of the work into this that you did, does it not seem that you are acting stupid by doing such a thing?

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

You say there wasn't enough feedback, there was, just not the positive type you so desired, had you simply accepted that others had given info which was more accurate or in the case of Emp Staff v Owleyes you could have simply continued onward and had people getting help from this. Instead you are acting like a little kid who thought since a couple people made fun of your sand castle you would just smash it with your shovel and complain people made you do it because they made fun of you. You said your goal here was to help people, well, some of the things you said were helping people, but then you deleted everything, now all you did was waste your time when you put all of the work into this that you did, does it not seem that you are acting stupid by doing such a thing?

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Seriously DJ? You've partied with me before and should know better.theres a reason the other post got locked. I'm not acting like a kid, I'm just fed up dealing with non sense. I have better things to do and better places to go than stick around people who don't want to look past themselves and accept others can be different.

And now you are falling into the same as others when I said you are replying without reading the entire conversation which leads to misunderstanding.

I don't need to read an entire conversation to see that your guide that was meant to help people was deleted. You think no info was helpful in there? No, some was, that's obvious, and people are coming back to look at it now, but guess what, its gone, you removed it, why? You got criticism, are you telling me you accepted it and said it was a good piece of advice to add on? No, from what parts I did see and read it seemed like you were arguing that there are options, and they were wrong, starting fights with people which caused all of this. The thing with options and your statement of 'people need to look past themselves and accept others are different' is that you are arguing with these same people about their attempt to explain things to you which are in fact different, and in some cases, easier improvements for players.

The main thing I saw you argue about with these people is the Emp Staff and the Owleyes, and in this argument I dare you to tell me that its easier to make the Emp Staff or even the WoE staff than it is to get Owleyes, but you cant, and wont, because I know you man, your not stupid. I am not trying to be a dick, I know you, and I know what this looks like overall, you deleting your guide helped no one, not a single person. After the last few times I have talked to you when you have been talking about how you put all of your time into this, so much so I have not seen you around on FFXI in the last week, deleting now seems like a pointless move.

On top of everything else, think about who you really are doing harm by deleting it anyways. If you left it here and ignored people who were posting the feedback or criticism you could have continued or left it as it was, those in need of the assistance could have come and gone as the wished, and the people who gave you that same criticism could have added in things that would help as well. As of now, you have deleted this entire thread of everything helpful to those in need, did that hurt the people you were arguing with in any way shape or form? No, they knew all of this already, and if anything, they knew potentially more, which is why they argued with you about it, but the people who did need it, are the ones who you just hurt by taking it away.

Its like if you were in a place, cooking free food for those in need, then a couple wealthy business men walk in and tell you that your food tastes horrible, and all of a sudden you yell for everyone to get out and then set the place on fire. All you just did was screw the homeless people who were in need, and getting your assistance out of that same assistance, the wealthy business men aren't helping, they might have the money, but where is their free food to those in need? No where, and you just burnt down the one place they had. This thread was that place to an extent, a guide to try helping people who are in need in this game get on their feet and try getting something done, rather than giving up on it because everyone tries to skip to the end. I do not see these other people making a guide like this, not even trying, no real attempt it seems, so while they talk big about knowing more, where is their guide? When they have that, then they can put you down, then they can tell you that your doing more harm than good, but till then, the best they should ever offer is feedback and advice, and all you should do, is accept that, and continue onward, rather than burning down your efforts to help that you put so much time into, and walking away.

You told me yesterday or day before you wanted me to come here and support you, I looked, I saw your argument, and I couldn't support you, because I did not agree with what you were doing. I was not about to go telling people that I agreed with you when I did not, I did not agree with the argument you had before, and I do not agree with the action you took as a result. If all you do at this point man is walk away from this and give up, then you helped almost no one even though you put so much time in, and some people really were helped. If you try to rebuild on it and make it into a guide again, you might help more people, and do what you tried from the start, but if you do that, you have to be willing and able to accept the very same kind of feedback you resisted this time, and cause all of these problems. I hope you choose to go the path of helping more people, because while you seem to think it caused nothing but problems and deleted it, you put a lot of time into this, and I would hate to watch all of that work go to waste, especially with the amount of people you could help that are trying to get somewhere in this game, rather than standing around, lost and confused, or simply giving up.