Sooner or later the landlord will die though and you enter the agreement knowing that all you do will be one day lost. If you went in expecting anything more then you're gonna be disappointed. I had a relic so I know what it feels like but at the end of the day I did get good times from owning a relic and I do not think of it as a waste of time, only of good memories. I'm sorry that people should feel let down but there's nothing anyone can do about that, we all knew it was gonna happen some day. Like I said, best thing is to just move on. If you wanna kick and scream about it then go ahead but unfortunately it wont change that this is a dying game and to a lot of people has already died.
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06-26-2013, 05:04 AMJaall
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06-26-2013, 05:49 AMDaemonLol I'm getting ready to move over to 14 myself so I'm with you. Just saying that others might not.Quote:
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06-26-2013, 06:31 AMJaall
Yea nah didn't mean you kicking and screaming lol. There are a few on here though like the people who say XIV is terrible and will definitely fail. Yea... right lol.
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06-26-2013, 07:01 AMAlerith
1.0 failed because it was a magnificent disaster and neither Tanaka nor the Dev team bothered to listen to player/beta concerns.
The exact opposite can be said about 2.0. Yoshida and the new Dev team actually listen to the Feedback section (And thank god not the General Discussion) and are fairly transparent in many aspects of development. For this reason alone, I'm fairly certain ARR is going to have the opposite outcome of launch-1.0 and end up being a critical success. -
06-26-2013, 07:49 AMMerton9999I just took the time to look at those pics. Nice! Although I'm happy with the classes already in XIV, I do hope for more. New jobs are the most exciting thing to me in any game. The way Fencer and Red Mage are described in those links would be wonderful - truly emphasizing the magic fencer aspect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Duelle
While leveling Conjurer in XIV, I did role my eyes when I saw the Mamool-Ja type mob I was killing cast Enaero. Unless I missed it, I don't believe enspells are available to players of any class/job yet, so maybe it's a sign :) -
06-26-2013, 09:22 AMMiiyoQuote from someone on ffxiv beta forum so i don't have to address this stupid nonsense. You were dead on with relaxing though. I'll give you that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spectreman
Alt+tab -> wiki.ffxiclopedia.com -> search "Bat Wings quest" -> look up the coordinates -> ??? -> real satisfaction.
"Wait for TP -> Wait for TP -> Wait for TP -> Wait for TP -> Fast Blade! The Clipper takes 2 damage! -> Wait for TP -> Wait for TP -> Wait for TP -> Fast Blade! The Clipper takes 2 damage!
"The best part about the fight with the Clipper is that I didn't have to spam the same attacks over and over again! I could wait 5 minutes between each input, giving me enough time to strategize!""
This game has a subjob system!! Aaaaaggrrr!
The best kind of difficulty is the difficulty where a monster two levels higher than me can kill me just because it is two levels higher. This is because then I can strategize about obtaining two more levels (the challenge could not be more immense!) and then defeat the fearsome foe. Why do you all hate true challenge of obtaining plus one stat point?
In other words. You lie. There's nothing strategic about FFXI battles at all. Delve NM's make you need to pay attention i guess, but other than that, I see no need for strategy anywhere else in the game. -
06-26-2013, 12:28 PMDaemonNice pic :) moooooaaaar!Quote:
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06-26-2013, 12:31 PMDaemon
86 replies and not person hit "Like" :(
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06-26-2013, 01:06 PMBSTHere is why it failed:Quote:
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06-26-2013, 01:08 PMMerton9999I understand what you mean. Well, on melee jobs anyway. On the other hand, THM early levels I found incredibly engaging. Much more so than BLM 1-20 in XI by miles. You still have to be concerned about MP and drop your dps considerably when recovering, but you can remain active. A couple early abilities add a nice bit of thought to soloing if you care to try some mobs a bit above your level too, which was very fun for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deifact
When I switched to pugilist and lancer, that's where it just felt spammy. However, I had to keep in mind that these are early levels and they probably didn't put as much thought into those early soloing levels on every class. But, on the three classes I got to 10-15, I still found the job-specific quests well designed, requiring smart use of all the jobs' abilities in addition to food and items. I'm not yet balancing a queue of 10 pending actions that change with the situation like I do on SCH 99, but for early levels I was impressed. Overall. I really like that every job can always be active, and not just reactive or afk.
Also, DoT spell potency was increased recently, right before last weekend's beta period. I noticed a nice difference with aero and thunder. -
06-26-2013, 01:42 PMDaemon
All right! Lots of <3 to the 3 people who hit "Like" :)
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06-26-2013, 02:18 PMSqEnisfilledwithgeniuses2 ice spell casts in a row gives you umbril ice effect, which massively increases your MP refresh rate. Using the ability (forgot the name) that shifts Astral Fire <> Umbril Ice allows you to empty your mp pool blasting out fire spells, then quickly regenerate it in moments.Quote:
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06-26-2013, 02:53 PMMerton9999Yeah that's what I was talking about. My point isn't that there's massive strategy there. It's that I managed a few different things (sleep, effective THM curing with the CNJ ability that swaps MND<->INT and MP recovery), and could stay active while doing it, all in a very low level mobile partying atmosphere. My comparison is stationary 10-20 leveling parties on BLM, which were: rest half the fight and throw out a few nukes and a DoT or two. I don't know how the highest levels available now in XIV compare to XI, but I was happy with the low levels on that class compared to XI.Quote:
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06-26-2013, 02:57 PMSqEnisfilledwithgeniusesI agree entirely. The BLM job throughout 1-99 was fairly disappointing to me, as much as SAM was. There are only a few jobs in XI that even require strategy anymore, for the most part people don't even want that.Quote:
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I'm looking forward to FFXIV. Also, myself and 5 others I know will be taking residence on the Ragnarok server. The more the merrier. -
06-26-2013, 03:17 PMDaemonBecause ever so many people complained to SE that exping took forever, so they gave the people what they wanted "Level to 99 in half a day, Grind and gangbang as 18 man groups on level 15 skeleton in Gusgen mines, no more strategy or skill (wait... Does it really take 18 people to kill a level 15 skeleton?), just endless grinding" and now look at the game. Nothing but grind grind grind in 18 man alliances.Quote:
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06-26-2013, 03:24 PMSqEnisfilledwithgeniuses
Let's be honest though... Not much battle strategy in "Ok, we're going to go EXP in ToAU. We'll need a rdm, a brd, and 4x sams! Let's dewit!"
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06-26-2013, 03:41 PMDaemonLol yeah been so long I can't remember when the game started to turn for the worse. There's just so many things dating back to prehistorical times.... Exping fast I understand, leveling to 99 in less than half a day killed AH gears and several other things.Quote:
Originally Posted by SqEnisfilledwithgeniuses
But you gotta admit, getting to know people in a 6 man group was more personal than getting to know people in 18 man group with everyone spread out on the map killing stuff.
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06-26-2013, 04:37 PMSqEnisfilledwithgeniusesWhen they were doing the Double exp campaigns, I actually formed old 6man groups and exp'd the old fashioned way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Daemon
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Saur Champ
Garlaige
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06-27-2013, 02:51 AMZeargi
My first impressions were less than excited... But now. I'm really happy with what I've seen and I am FEVERISHLY seeking to get into my very first beta ever. I never understood why a friend played Everquest so much until I tried FFXI. I've enjoyed the massive amount of time I've spent in Vana'diel and the stories I've got to see. Understanding the world and drawing the lines between the dots that connect these events and quests to those missions and quests. While I am less fond of the names of the races in FFXIV, the customization of characters is AWESOME!! Even the Avatars (Primals?) look amazing!!! So going from one summoner to the next will be my goal. And hopefully continuing my legacy in the next realm. :D
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06-27-2013, 10:39 AMBST
Down the road, in the future, it is only a matter of time before new Job/Classes will find there way into XIV.
The customization of characters is really good, it really shows how 1.0 was to limited. And in the future they talk of plans to introduce new hair styles. -
06-28-2013, 05:53 AMCrusader81Ok :-)Quote:
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06-28-2013, 06:40 AMDaemon
Lol that looks just way too cool not to try FF14. I'm convinced!
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06-28-2013, 08:32 AMZiyyigo-Tipyigo
Just what we all need: high-definition chocobo butt.
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06-28-2013, 09:10 AMBST
You can get HD Chocobo butt in XI on 360!
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06-28-2013, 11:12 AMAlerith360 limitations.Quote:
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06-28-2013, 12:00 PMMifaco
Question for XIV players
Are there any vestiges of stupid FFXI limitations?
Can you alt tab?
Can you get search results for more than 50 people at one time?
Do you have to login through an incredibly antiquated system? Do you have to type your password each time or does it remember it?
Are quests clear on what you need to do?
Can you solo past level 15 or so?
Is the UI clear and intuitive?
Is the FPS capped to 30 like FFXI? Or is it more?
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06-28-2013, 12:12 PMAlpheus
Gonna number your questions and address em as such:
1. Not that I can see, it's currently in development for PS4 which will utilize DirectX 11 so any limitations would be PS3 limitations but I don't see it being an issue until well down the road and by then PS4 would be affordable if anything OR since they can build it up from where it is now to DirectX 11 that would mean they can do it again. (easier said than done but the capability is there on display)
2. yes you can Alt+Tab
3. Havent used the search function come to think >.>;
4 only 1 login utilizing your SE ID and password in the game launcher
5. Quests are very clear on what you must do and alert you to any level sync that might occur should you be doing a quest that involves fighting.
6. Yes you can solo past lvl 15.
7. yes UI is clear and intuitive one example is that you can change from gamepad to KB and Mouse with 1 click of a icon in the config menu and any preferences made are kept in between input method switches.
8. FPS is at 60 FPS for the PC version I wanna say the same is for the PS3 version but I cant honestly say.
9. You can D2 right from the start. You start w/ a sprinting ability, 20 second duration and 30second cool down. Once you find more crystals to teleport to you learn teleport. Each teleport costs gil unless you add them to faves in which case they are less expensive. you can have up to 3 Faves at once. -
06-28-2013, 01:19 PMMerton9999
I'll just add to Alpheus' answers:
Can you get search results for more than 50 people at one time?
The beta limit was 200 results the last time I searched.
Are quests clear on what you need to do?
Quests you're eligible for are marked as exclamations on your map. Every accepted quest is listed in your journal, with pictures of the NPCs that initiated them. Each one has a Map button you can click to see exactly where to go in the world for the next step. There are some exceptions, notably when you're told to "Find" things specifically, but they still give you a general area. When you're told to farm animal parts, there is a red circle on the map indicating where that type of mob spawns. In addition to being listed in your journal, your last 5(?) quests are flagged as active automatically and added directly to your full-time UI so they're always there while running around. You can turn these off and on. You can click on them in the UI and bring up the journal page. Last, for fights, the NPCs usually give a vague hint at a strategy, at least up till the level 15 ones. They will say something like "Look out for its poison!" or "Careful use of the sleep spell...". These are the introductory quests, not sure how much that continues. Some people call this hand-holding, I call it "don't look at the journal if you don't want to know", while the rest of us don't have to search Wikis if we have an hour to play every day.
Is the UI clear and intuitive?
It's quite spectacular, actually. When I want to switch jobs I click the mouse once anywhere in the world, my job changes, and all my gear is automatically swapped due to saved gear sets. Full maps can remain open (and resized) as you run around and become translucent so you can see your activity through them. FATE locations (think Campaign/Besieged/NM spawns) are clearly marked. Gamepad integration is fast and intuitive. You can customize the UI, moving most parts of it to any part of the screen. Want your HP and MP on the top of the screen? Just drag them there. All active effects have time remaining, including mobs' enfeebles displayed above them, all cooldowns are graphically visible. They need to work on the chat log a bit, but that's been my only feedback suggestion about the UI. -
06-28-2013, 01:59 PMVil1. No.Quote:
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2. Yes.
3. Yes. (200 is current limit)
4. No. Simple login screen where you input your SE ID and PW. You do have to put in your password each time, but that is how SE's account management system works in general, not just XIV.
5. Yes. There are icons above character's heads where quests are available. There are two main icons, a (!) for general quests, and a firey (!) indicating they are Main Scenario quests. Additionally, you have icons indicating inbetween steps, like where you need to go to pick up a branch or where to feed the chocobos, etc. Even without these icons, the quests are easy enough if you read, you'll know where to go.
6. You can solo all the way to 50 if you so choose to do, through FATE, levequests, quests. I'm not sure about ARR, but in 1.0, there was some party aspects, though generally people didn't start partying until 42, because there was a camp where you could hit 50 in roughly 3 hours of exp time. In ARR, you start forming parties around lvl 15 to take on the dungeons, which are actually good exp and drop very good gear that will last well into the 20s.
7. Yes, very easy to use. You can also drag and rearrange the boxes and widgets, change font sizes etc.
8. There's three options for FPS, 30, 60, or unlimited.
9. In ARR, from what I've played through, there's no real "time sinks" like we know them in XI. That doesn't mean however, that you'll fly to level 50 in 5 hrs lol. But rest assured, while leveling up and questing, you won't even know how much time is passed until you look at your clock. xD
As for teleportation, in 1.0 you used what's called "anima" which is the equivalent of Kinetic things you expend when you use the Waypoints that were added with Adoulin. In 1.0 there was really no way to replenish this until towards the end when they added ways to boost it.
In ARR, anima was scrapped and you use gil now. The further the telepoint is away, the more its going to cost you, unless you "favorite" the location (I think you can have a max of like 3 favorites, I could be wrong on that though). Anyone can teleport, no spell is required. The only thing that's required is that you have to physically visit the crystal points first, and click them to attune yourself to them. -
07-01-2013, 10:18 AMCrusader81
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07-01-2013, 09:19 PMRunespider
As a FFXI vet I have to say that XIV has very little in common with our game, there is really nothing that would make you feel "at home" as an XI player any more than you would get from GW2 or WoW..well aside from the races, which imo don't do justice to the originals anyway.
It has more in common with WoW and GW2 than FFXI. It does nothing better than any other mmo you can get on the market honestly. Graphics, combat, story, leveling, community are all better on various other games. I can't think of one single thing ARR has that can be said sets it above any other wow clone that you can play now. -
07-01-2013, 09:28 PMVilI see "WoW clone" and immediately stop taking you seriously. Lol. Did you play for 5 min and ragequit cause it wasn't exactly like XI?Quote:
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There is plenty to make people feel at home, if they are open-minded to begin with. The "WoW clone" is simply what the MMO standards are today. Switch XIV and XI, and I'm sure you'd be screaming "EQ CLONE EWW".
What you fail to realize is that all games, and all creative works for that matter, always take some kind of influences from other sources. Rock bands frequently mention Kiss and the Beatles and the Rolling Stones as inspiration. Does that mean these newer bands suck? No. They draw inspiration from earlier works, but still maintain their own style.
XI certainly didn't invent the wheel, sorry to burst your bubble. It took a lot of influences from the games of its time, specifically Everquest. Why is it okay for XI to be an "EQ clone" but heaven forbid XIV be a "WoW clone"? Double standard much?
I get it, you love XI. I do too. I come back to it periodically, even though my prime has passed and I no longer can play like I used to. XI's current problems concern me just like they concern you, especially coming from a casual player's point of view.
Does that mean, then, that being bitter about XIV will make XI all rainbows and sunshine again? No. Snubbing your nose at it in some kind of attempt to be "loyal" to XI really serves no purpose other than make you look immature and bitter.
Nobody says you have to play it, and not everyone will like it. These things I understand. But when you make comments with no basis other than "its a WoW clone", then well, you're not going to win any sympathy. -
07-01-2013, 11:48 PMRunespider
You say you don't take me seriously then write a long post in reply to me.
The reason WoW clone is bad is because every single mmo that comes out is the same thing, and they all force you to do the same thing. Quest based leveling, instanced content, boring combat mashing keys on cd. That's why it's bad, because it's a carbon copy of every other mmo that we have played offering something we already got bored of in WoW/Rift/Swtor. At least when they gave us FFXI it was offering something that hadn't really been done to death or that was new to many of us.
WoW clone.
Quest based leveling, this isn't FFXI where you make groups to kill mobs to level. I've done these quests in XIV and they're the same boring thing I did in WoW, Rift...etc They are boring kill count quests. This alone makes XIV alien to XI players, you won't be making groups to kill monsters to level and make friends.
Very solo and casual friendly game.
Majority instanced based content. Only open world content XIV has or will ever have (as stated by Yoshi) is fates which honestly are horribly boring after you do a few. Fates are copied from Gw2 and it got boring there too after you do it a few times.
Combat based on spamming keys on a global (lol) cooldown.
Instance matching to pair you up with other random people you don't have to talk to.
Sounds like a WoW clone to me.
The guy in charge even said they looked to WoW, GW2 and SWTOR to lead them in redesigning the game just as they did with everquest to design XI. I understand you are probably an XIV fan posting here to try and drum up excitement for your game of choice but it doesn't change the fact it is what it is. -
07-01-2013, 11:53 PMAlerithSo they take the best systems from a variety of games and put it into a Final Fantasy MMORPG.Quote:
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Cool, I'm sold.
See, for me at least, it doesn't need anything innovative to be good. It doesn't need some gimmick the marketing team plays on to try and sell it as some unique special snowflake. It's a fun and functional game set in a Final Fantasy universe. That's all I want out of it and that's all I expect.
Everybody acts like every MMO that comes out needs to reinvent the genre, and I say that's bullshit. Play a game because it's fun, it has a setting you like and it has systems that work. -
07-02-2013, 12:09 AMCrusader81
they've combined a great Quest/Dungeon MMO with Real Time Action Events, with the story, graphics, and Lore of a FF game. Housing will be something that's VERY reminiscent of FFXI for me of FFXI Mog Houses, but they've taken it to the 100th level.
Not to mention Limit breaks
Chocobo Buddies you summon like NPC from XI
Materia
Avatar fights like in XI (but way better)
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07-02-2013, 12:11 AMRunespider
If you are fine with playing a bland carbon copy of every other mmo then maybe it is for you, it doesn't really seem to have any soul to the game honestly, it's like something a room full of suits put together by copying stuff from other companies that put more though into their games. There is nothing unique or exciting in XIV at all and that is one of the major reasons you will log into it and just rush to cap for "endgame". You won't make a group to level with and make friends, you'ill do boring quest after boring quest and do instanced dungeons when the cross server matcher finally makes the group for you. You won't get the vast array of different content XI had and you won't get the community built out of party based leveling.
For me I want something unique in a new mmo that will make the massive investment of my time and money worthwhile, the majority of MMO players are really not easy to satisfy these days (look at the massive player drop in Gw2) because they've seen this "ingredients to make an mmo" over and over again and with a game that cost as much to create as XIV did being bland and unoriginal as it is not going to ensure it gets the large long-term following it needs.
XIV has nice graphics which don't really beat what's out there now or have the charm of XI imo (and certainly not the newer games coming out soon) it has nothing from XI which made it great and it simply copies the norm of every other newer mmo. Maybe you think that's the key to success? Offer a product totally unlike the previous one that was successfull and offer a bland copy of every other new mmo that failed to beat the product it was based on.
If as a XI player you are looking to get into XIV thinking you will be playing something very much like XI but prettier you will be sorely dissapointed. XIV is nothing like XI at all, it's as far away from it as you can get without paying a sub to Blizzard. If you are on the fence just go and play the beta for free, actually playing the game does far more than looking at some pretty pictures that tell you nothing about the game. -
07-02-2013, 01:32 AMVizzerLet's look at XI, before any expansions, because why is it ok to compare a game with 11 years worth of updates, with a game that people have only seen beta content up to level 25. When XI released you didn't have all the things like Sea and Sky that old XI players always fall back on when asked what made the game so great, you had 50 levels of boring quests and the main story missions. If you think the quests in XIV are boring, because they are go fetch this, or go kill these, that is what the XI quests were, how did you raise your Bastok fame, get a fish, kill a crab, turn in an item, over and over and over again. So all you have left is party based leveling, something XI itself eventually ended up weeding out. The design of XIV is made to make it easy for newcomers to MMO's to learn and progress. It is designed so that years down the road, if someone new to the game picks it up, they will be able to progress through the game at a decent pace, even though there might not be alot of people their level around. This is one of the things that is killing XI now, the gap between new and old players, new and returning players aren't sticking with the game, because it simply takes too much time to get caught up, and there aren't enough players around willing to help do the content that takes groups to do. And if you think players in XI don't rush to the endgame, let's have a look at this last little bit of content, there were some flaws when it was first released, that allowed players to basically exploit the KI bosses, taking hours to kill them by just blindly throwing bodies at them and teleporting back. Once this issue was fixed with the time limit, people didn't go back and do Skirmish, they just farmed plasm, they used an exploit to skip an entire tier of endgame content, I know this was an oversight by the devs, but it shows that maybe the community in XI is all about rushing to endgame, something you say they won't enjoy doing in XIV.Quote:
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The duty finder, what is so bad about that, instead of standing in one city shouting for hours to find enough people to fill your delve party, you just que up, and you can go out and gather, craft, farm, whatever until it places you into a group, from a much larger pool of people than just your server, making it easier to group. One thing that it doesn't do, is give the person making the group the ability to screen the people, you don't have R/M/E/D, you aren't welcome here, but if you want to be that kind of d-bag, then you can stand in town and shout if you want, that is called an option.
As far as a battle system, there really isn't much else you can do out there, either hot bars, or menus, XIV went with hotbars, big deal, that doesn't make it a WoW clone. I agree, if you don't know if you want to play it, go try the beta, it isn't XI-2, and there are lots of people that think that is a good thing. -
07-02-2013, 05:18 AMVil
Waste of a good post :) It's just more bitterness, like XI was some special snowflake when it came out. This is the same person that wanted F2P after all.
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07-02-2013, 05:27 AMUmichi
I thought xi was a snowflake compared to other games... still do.... even compared to xiv... what makes the game is it's uniqueness... now i haven't played xiv, but it seems like they got to finally making a game that actually helps you complete the game for completions sake while also adding challenges and a way of fighting that is unique to ffxi albeit tweaked a little to introduce it to modern mmo.... they still allow you to auto attack... and instead of writing macros you now have a convenient hotbar which is customized to using a controller or pc...
will i drop ffxi for xiv? no because i still have alot to do on xi..... while i try it out? eventually... -
07-02-2013, 06:56 AMFinuve
I'm pretty sure the words "MMO Standards" are the reason this genre has become so boring and stale