More Paladin-centered shields needed to close the gap with Aegis & Ochain

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Originally Posted by Karah

Honestly, how hard is it to make an Aegis? a Month? 2 months? 2 hours a day, i mean really, it's childsplay.

I will give it up that Ochain, is by and large possibly the most soul-crushing (lol) thing in the game right now... VNM color changes are obnoxious to the 15th degree. But, that's another (actually SEVERAL) other threads...

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The real question you should ask yourself is "Can I complete this alone with the job I want to use it on?" That's the main problem I've found with this game lately. You either need to level a bunch of other jobs to do what you need to do, or you need help from people. It's pretty bad game design, and since you are right about PLD getting snubbed to the side after time goes on, why shouldn't there be other shields that are almost up to snuff in this sense? Why would anyone have to make these shields just to play the game on a class they want to try?

RME should not be a mandatory requirement to play the game, this is the part I don't know why anyone defends.

Why does anyone have to slave away in a boring event just to remotely have any fun with the game? What sense does that make? Any other DD at this point can get a Delve weapon in 8 hours and be up to par, but for a PLD, they have to grind out shields to even be up to par with expectations. Something is wrong here, and you know it.

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Originally Posted by Radd

The real question you should ask yourself is "Can I complete this alone with the job I want to use it on?" That's the main problem I've found with this game lately.

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Yes, a level 1 character with zero skills/no subjob, can obtain an Aegis. You can outright buy it without ever touching any aspect of the game other than crafting/fishing/farming.

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Originally Posted by Radd

You either need to level a bunch of other jobs to do what you need to do, or you need help from people.

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The MAJOR selling point of FFXI is that you are NOT locked into playing a single job, this is a double-edged sword. There is the benefit of being ABLE to play all jobs, but it makes it common practice, to even REQUIRE certain jobs being leveled.

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Originally Posted by Radd

It's pretty bad game design, and since you are right about PLD getting snubbed to the side after time goes on, why shouldn't there be other shields that are almost up to snuff in this sense? Why would anyone have to make these shields just to play the game on a class they want to try?

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No one should "be interested" in paladin, knowing the game they're playing, and the people who populate this game, sad but true. If you're "interested" in something, you should know what the minimum requirements are, which is, the only viable shield.

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Originally Posted by Radd

RME should not be a mandatory requirement to play the game, this is the part I don't know why anyone defends.

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The problem is, they're not REQUIRED but the players capable of obtaining them, are USUALLY of a higher caliber of player, which is why they SEEM to be required.
This was in reference to RME -not- Shields.

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Originally Posted by Radd

Why does anyone have to slave away in a boring event just to remotely have any fun with the game? What sense does that make? Any other DD at this point can get a Delve weapon in 8 hours and be up to par, but for a PLD, they have to grind out shields to even be up to par with expectations. Something is wrong here, and you know it.

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FFXI hasn't been "FUN" in a long time... it's a mathematics exam. You laugh at the people who turn it in too fast, you try to do/be the best (that you can be/do).

It -is- wrong that there is no new shield (and instrument) but realistically, how can you make a shield on par with Ochain, without enraging anyone who spent WEEKS doing SOULCRUSHING colorless farming. It's a thin red line that will be crossed eventually.

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Originally Posted by Karah

Yes, a level 1 character with zero skills/no subjob, can obtain an Aegis. You can outright buy it without ever touching any aspect of the game other than crafting/fishing/farming.

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Bad game design.

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Originally Posted by Karah

The MAJOR selling point of FFXI is that you are NOT locked into playing a single job, this is a double-edged sword. There is the benefit of being ABLE to play all jobs, but it makes it common practice, to even REQUIRE certain jobs being leveled.

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This is still a bad game design method if I need to level other jobs to acquire a certain job only piece through trials for... you guessed it, that job only. Bolding, capping and underlining doesn't make your point hit harder, it just seems tacky.

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Originally Posted by Karah

No one should "be interested" in paladin, knowing the game they're playing, and the people who populate this game, sad but true. If you're "interested" in something, you should know what the minimum requirements are, which is, the only viable shield.

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So again, you just confirmed to everyone that for anyone to play Paladin, they need to grind out for months to get a viable shield, while every other job can be viable alone mostly by just playing the game or doing Delve. How do you not see that this is a problem?

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Originally Posted by Karah

The problem is, they're not REQUIRED but the players capable of obtaining them, are USUALLY of a higher caliber of player, which is why they SEEM to be required.

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This is the opposite of what you just said.

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Originally Posted by Karah

FFXI hasn't been "FUN" in a long time... it's a mathematics exam. You laugh at the people who turn it in too fast, you try to do/be the best (that you can be/do).

It -is- wrong that there is no new shield (and instrument) but realistically, how can you make a shield on par with Ochain, without enraging anyone who spent WEEKS doing SOULCRUSHING colorless farming. It's a thin red line that will be crossed eventually.

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They shouldn't have made Ochain so powerful that it is the only shield you need next to Aegis. It gives players no other alternatives other than grinding out nonsense for weeks at a time. As said before, no other job (except for maybe BRD horn) has to tolerate doing this, as Delve is now an alternate, and quicker option to get into the game and get stuff done.

They spent weeks on it? Good for them, still doesn't solve the problem at hand that it's a complete bottleneck to do the T3 stuff either, nor there is any entry level shields for level 99 that are viably useable for more than just "looking nice."

See the obvious answer is to improve the ways to obtain Ochain, -NOT- make newer, better, easier to obtain shields.

That in essence is the biggest gripe I see with this entire thread.

This whole thread is relegated to;

WHY ARE COLORLESS SOULS SO DAMN ANNOYING?

The answer is, it is the best, and only shield you should/could/would ever use (except for magic damage) it SHOULD be difficult to obtain.

Everything else, is irrelevant (Aegis is so easy to get you're not allowed to complain about it).

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Originally Posted by Karah

See the obvious answer is to improve the ways to obtain Ochain, -NOT- make newer, better, easier to obtain shields.

That in essence is the biggest gripe I see with this entire thread.

This whole thread is relegated to;

WHY ARE COLORLESS SOULS SO DAMN ANNOYING?

The answer is, it is the best, and only shield you should/could/would ever use (except for magic damage) it SHOULD be difficult to obtain.

Everything else, is irrelevant (Aegis is so easy to get you're not allowed to complain about it).

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Which still comes back to, the only way you can play on Paladin, is if you grind out Ochain or Aegis. Which was the damn point of the thread in the first place. As you put it, "The answer is, it is the best, and only shield you should/could/would ever use."

...And you don't see a problem with any of this? lol

Not even a shred of a possibility of a problem.

Hike up your dress, put down your purse, hit some mobs, and get your Shield, or play a real job. In a couple months everyone will be crying that paladin has no use anymore (again).

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Originally Posted by Karah

Not even a shred of a possibility of a problem.

Hike up your dress, put down your purse, hit some mobs, and get your Shield, or play a real job. In a couple months everyone will be crying that paladin has no use anymore (again).

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Then why bother wasting time grinding it out for so long if it's going to be useless? The logical step would to either have a middle ground or make the other two shields much quicker to obtain. From a game balance point of view, why do you want this to go on? Because you tortured yourself enough to do it? What the hell is a "real job" in this game by the way?

Whatever is the top DPS in the game at any given moment in time, of course. What else?

Bandwagon Fantasy XI. You're not supposed to like jobs, you're supposed to like the numbers in your chat log.

It's even a possibility that BST pets might be tanking again. You can "lolbst", but trading 2 tanks and 2 healers for two bsts, a dps, and one healer is still faster kills and healing for the dps in the "tank" party.

It's impossible right now, I'm sure, but with new pets that will probably be higher level than players (regardless of jug level), it's feasible that it could happen. The pet being higher level than its target is a large factor in the pet's ability to tank it. That, and proper choice of pet and proper master's gear.

Even if the bst just had to idle with the pet, it's still more practical if it was ever feasible. No, I don't think bst pets will ever be tanking current content nm's, but we'll likely be plasm farming these zones for a long long time unless new zones, or tiers of zones just roflstomp them in plasm returned despite difficulty.

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Originally Posted by Karah

Someone's butt-hurt. My post says anything and everything valid to this topic, to the point you could even close it, with an enough said statement. There is no possible valid argument you could conceivably have against anything I said.

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Show me any other job that is completely and utterly denied from parties requesting the job if it lacks one or two difficult items to obtain. When I say difficult I do not mean hard necessarily, I mean items of which are either hard, or highly time taking enough that the average person would not be willing to do it for a job they may or may not end up playing/enjoying.

One thing about PLD is that unlike most jobs, there is no real knowledge gained during leveling it anymore, none, no tanking in Abyssea, when you do seals, still no PLD tanking. The only time PLD gets to tank is specific endgame content, which no one wants to bring you to in the first place unless you invest in the job quite a bit. So basically, to see if I like a job, I have to go out and deck out the job, get a Relic or Emp, and then finally I can play it the only way I probably ever will, just to see if I enjoy it really.

The only way to dethrone Aegischain is to make exactly that. A single shield that trumps magic and physical damage on par with both of them and a capped out block rate. Maybe slap on "Occasionally Absorbs Damage" just to add fuel to the fire.

That being said, the problem isn't Paladin or the shields. It's poor content design.

If a scorpion NM can get past Ochain's nigh impenetrable block rate and deal over 1300 damage, what chance does Jimmy and his Seigneur Shield have? They picked a way to make content, and they picked wrong.

We wanted PLD's spot in the light again, but not at the expense of making the R/E shield required just so you MIGHT not get one shot. There's no proper balance.

A PLD with Creed +2, Ochain and Ethereal can literally stand there, get beat on, and cure themselves with Cure IV and never run out of MP. You can maintain yourself until the timer runs try without any kind of support....Unless that one lucky Death scissors gets through and one shots you.

Now look at the guy who doesn't have Ochain. He has an average block rate, average damage reduction and is almost guaranteed to die without his own personal healer.

Now, you could make a new shield that brings him closer to Ochain's level or you could adjust the content so that he can do it without dying at any given moment. Either way, you're either going to leave people underpowered without R/M shields or you're going to make it more boring than it already is for R/E PLDs.

BALANCE.

This is what you get for letting someone with a level 40 character become the producer...

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Originally Posted by Karah

Yes, a level 1 character with zero skills/no subjob, can obtain an Aegis. You can outright buy it without ever touching any aspect of the game other than crafting/fishing/farming.

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Attestations are Rare/Ex and you can't enter Dynamis to receive the drop because you have to be level 65 or higher to unlock Dynamis.

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Originally Posted by Karah

Honestly, how hard is it to make an Aegis? a Month? 2 months? 2 hours a day, i mean really, it's childsplay.

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Yeah, if you want to make one, which is the same right now as saying, if you want to play the job you have to work for 2~3 months for 2~4 hours a day just to get an item that will make this job playable in anything where you do your jobs... job. What about people who want to play and enjoy the job, use it in some of the lighter end of content, not the Delve bosses, but are screwed? You don't care, you have tons of Relics and Emps, you have Ochain, why do they matter...

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Originally Posted by Karah

See the obvious answer is to improve the ways to obtain Ochain, -NOT- make newer, better, easier to obtain shields.

That in essence is the biggest gripe I see with this entire thread.

This whole thread is relegated to;

WHY ARE COLORLESS SOULS SO DAMN ANNOYING?

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If you read the posts you claim not to have, you would realize that some people do not want to make an Aegis or Ochain, they want a shield worth a damn that they can get without that kind of work on a job.

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The answer is, it is the best, and only shield you should/could/would ever use (except for magic damage) it SHOULD be difficult to obtain.

Everything else, is irrelevant (Aegis is so easy to get you're not allowed to complain about it).

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No shit its hard, we know that, no one here is asking for it to be easier, as you said, another thread is for that, we want some mid-ground shields rather than it being Ochain & Aegis as the only shields worth using. Making some mid-ground shields is not so hard, see Steadfast? It works well, but needs a little something more, now make it a tower shield, give it the block rate of a round shield, and it will still lose to Aegis & Ochain but it will be much more useful, if you want, remove the second tier of augments for MP on it and put on block rate & Shield Def. Bonus, which would basically amount to the same effects if they put in the right numbers, boom, mid-shield for everyone!

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Originally Posted by Alerith

That being said, the problem isn't Paladin or the shields. It's poor content design.

If a scorpion NM can get past Ochain's nigh impenetrable block rate and deal over 1300 damage, what chance does Jimmy and his Seigneur Shield have? They picked a way to make content, and they picked wrong.

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See heres the problem, NM is to strong, only Ochain will do the job, NM is to weak, why bring a PLD? With our current shield selection there is hardly a balance, if its hard enough to bring a PLD but weak enough it can do without Ochain we have DDs wear hybrid sets because those are possible now days and we can still go at it all the same, the DDs have enough DEF & PDT from their gear to keep them going while healers throw MP at them constantly till it dies. The only place we do not do it is Delve, where the NMs are so hard hitting we can not effectively do that anymore because fights last to long, a PLD has to go in most of the time till we can use its gimmick to kill it off, like the Mata, or Tax. We have no middle ground shield currently so unless its Ochain worthy or Aegis worthy its almost never PLD worthy.

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We wanted PLD's spot in the light again, but not at the expense of making the R/E shield required just so you MIGHT not get one shot. There's no proper balance.

A PLD with Creed +2, Ochain and Ethereal can literally stand there, get beat on, and cure themselves with Cure IV and never run out of MP. You can maintain yourself until the timer runs try without any kind of support....Unless that one lucky Death scissors gets through and one shots you.

Now look at the guy who doesn't have Ochain. He has an average block rate, average damage reduction and is almost guaranteed to die without his own personal healer.

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Yep.

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This is what you get for letting someone with a level 40 character become the producer...

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Aegis and Ochain were over powered before he came in, he was left with that problem. No matter how people try to avoid it, they are a problem, and their ease to obtain is part of it. When only a few select people are each server are so strong they can hardly be touched by anything, that's one thing, when everyone is that way, you have a problem. Aegis and Ochain are so strong by compare to everything else that unless content is specifically designed to take down someone who has them, it will never really kill them without some massive luck, like a high powered TP going through without a block and hitting an Ochain PLD. On the other hand, if its not strong enough that you have to have an Ochain, then someone with an Ochain can make it look like its nothing, hitting for barely anything at all. So the shields have caused a bit of a problem, one he was left with, admittedly I am no more of a fan that he came in saying he had not even beaten Maat yet when he first arrived, but I think he has got good ideas, he only has a hard time implementing them sometimes, this problem, I do not put on him at all.

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Originally Posted by Demon6324236

See heres the problem, NM is to strong, only Ochain will do the job, NM is to weak, why bring a PLD?

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This could be solved by making paladin itself more powerful instead of putting all of the power in the shield. But the shield is way easier to program so...

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

This could be solved by making paladin itself more powerful instead of putting all of the power in the shield. But the shield is way easier to program so...

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By the looks of things SE does not want to do any direct job buffs anymore, like with PUP where Alternator is a job fix in a piece of gear, or the SMN grip they talked about, new BST pets, and so on, they don't want to adjust jobs, just make them stronger by specific pieces of gear making them more powerful. So by how things look, they would probably take this design aspect anyways because these two shields are essentially level 150 shields while every other shield is level 90ish at best, besides Steadfast, I think its the first real shield to have level 99 stats.

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Originally Posted by saevel

Yeah it's gotten to the point where unless you have an O.Chain you don't even come PLD. SE's fault for making those shields so broken in the first place, then making NM's with such high offensive power that their needed in the first place.

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I agree (this goes beyond just PLD btw, but delve weapon atm made the situations for DDs a bit better than it was before, I guess) but you'll have to concur with me it's very hard to balance these things.

You have to make PLD necessary. If monsters don't hit hard enough PLD won't be necessary, and people will just use DDs to tank, or just plain zerg the monsters.

Imho the "wrong" thing about tanking in FFXI ist hat it relies too much on gear. In other games gear matters of course, but tanks get all the "necessary tools" from abilities, spells and job traits.
I feel they should work on this for tanks, and somehow nerf Aegis/Ochain (small nerf please!)

why is se gimping every r m e weapon by bringing out much better and easier weapons to get but not doing the same to shields?

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Originally Posted by Radd

RME should not be a mandatory requirement to play the game, this is the part I don't know why anyone defends.

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If you wish to play a DD job for something, you will be competing with other DDs for a spot in the group. Since SE made relic, empyrean, and delve weapons easy enough for a lot of people to obtain, you will inevitably be competing with players of that caliber. With this in mind, given a choice, why should the group leader invite you over one of those other players with a superior weapon?

Relevant to this topic, apparently Aegis/Ochain must be easy enough for many PLDs to obtain if group leaders can afford to be picky about their tanks. Despite that, I do feel there should be an intermediate shield option to hold people over while they work on the ultimate shields.

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Originally Posted by Zhronne

I feel they should work on this for tanks, and somehow nerf Aegis/Ochain (small nerf please!)

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They are getting nerfed, effectively. Shields (and instruments) are being specifically left out of whatever plans they have to upgrade RMECs one last time.

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Originally Posted by Ziyyigo-Tipyigo

They are getting nerfed, effectively. Shields (and instruments) are being specifically left out of whatever plans they have to upgrade RMECs one last time.

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Considering those changes are to bring R/E/M up to par with Delve weapons how exactly is that nerfing items that weren't out classed by Delve weapons (none in instrument's case)?

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Originally Posted by Ziyyigo-Tipyigo

They are getting nerfed, effectively. Shields (and instruments) are being specifically left out of whatever plans they have to upgrade RMECs one last time.

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They were left out because they weren't replaced. When people first got ahold of item lists, there was curiousity about the steadfast shield, in hopes that it would be some sort of stepping stone, but noone asked "What about my Gjallarchain?"

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Originally Posted by OmnysValefor

They were left out because they weren't replaced. When people first got ahold of item lists, there was curiousity about the steadfast shield, in hopes that it would be some sort of stepping stone, but noone asked "What about my Gjallarchain?"

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Exactly, shields do not need a boost because they are fine and were not effected by the new items in the least. Weapons on the other hand were completely trashed, every Delve weapon is the best weapon of its category so far as I know. Even the MAB staff beats all other nuking staffs and SMN staff beats Nirvana, so really weapons were completely trashed. Now on the other hand, there is no new instrument, and Steadfast is good but does not come close to Ochain without some block rate enhancement, Aegis goes without saying is still the top because there is no other way to break the cap, Steadfast lets you stack on some more MDB at best, which does not even come close to a comparison with Aegis.

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Originally Posted by detlef

If you wish to play a DD job for something, you will be competing with other DDs for a spot in the group. Since SE made relic, empyrean, and delve weapons easy enough for a lot of people to obtain, you will inevitably be competing with players of that caliber. With this in mind, given a choice, why should the group leader invite you over one of those other players with a superior weapon?

Relevant to this topic, apparently Aegis/Ochain must be easy enough for many PLDs to obtain if group leaders can afford to be picky about their tanks. Despite that, I do feel there should be an intermediate shield option to hold people over while they work on the ultimate shields.

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Getting an Empy weapon to 85 is pretty damn easy and quick and doesn't have as many hoops to jump through as trying to get T3 pops for colorless souls. Some of them can be a pain to get due to the KIs to get (Great Axe) but others like Saladbowl/Fudo-to-Shoha Spam Machine and Almace/Kannagi are pretty simple. Most of these can be done with 2 players or a dual boxer. The shield however you need at least a few dedicated players, Ironclads can be annoying, and I won't even get into how silly the T3 farming is.

Also you can skip this step entirely and just go straight for a Delve weapon which again, pretty easy to get, meanwhile you can't with the shield as it is the bar of par. If you can't understand this, you obviously haven't tried to do anything on Paladin. Who cares if group leaders can be picky about their tanks? If a majority of players just eventually stop playing because of ideas like that, then no one gets to do anything.

The game mindset currently keeps players who haven't broken through a threshold back, while people on top just soar higher and higher with ease. Eventually players get bored of the mindset, and move on.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

Attestations are Rare/Ex and you can't enter Dynamis to receive the drop because you have to be level 65 or higher to unlock Dynamis.

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Incorrect, you can mule attestations.

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Originally Posted by Karah

Incorrect, you can mule attestations.

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Ok, you can mule attestations, that doesn't change the fact need to have a level 65+ to access Dynamis to receive the drop in the first place. So all you have proven is a Mule can make a Relic with enough gil and nothing else.

I agree there needs to be a good, acceptable stepping stone prior to aegis and ochain. Now with all the arguments going on about people being lazy and not wanting to get aegis, ochain, or any other RME, keep in mind the investments needed to obtain them. Which can become trivial once you are already set up and well established, but for someone new or just returning, they won't necessarily have the gil to just buy a relic or mythic, and the atmas and stones to go grind out any empyrean they want.

The big reason I say keep in mind the investment needed to obtain one is because a player that is not already well established is likely only going to work on one for a job they know they enjoy. Most DD jobs its much easier to tell if one enjoys them or not because they usually function the same with or without a party. Tanks, supports, and healers are much harder to tell if one likes without frequent partying as their play style tends to be different when solo or in a group. So when one of the main tanks of the game needs a huge investment in it to be used in its intended role, makes it very hard for someone to truly evaluate the job with the game in its current state. And how many people are going to put a significant investment of limited resources just to be able to see if they enjoy a job when they may already have a known enjoyable job that could also benefit from the same investment?

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They can't add anything that is stronger than aegischain because it would break the game, basically.

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Yep, and it would break the game too if they made anything stronger than RME weapons!

...Oh wait

No, it wouldn't.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Yep, and it would break the game too if they made anything stronger than RME weapons!

...Oh wait

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The sad thing is, I feel like this thread wouldn't even exist if the augments on Steadfast Shield weren't the worst thing since sliced cat poop compared to the augments on other items. If the listing on BG Wiki is correct, the only path with something super-useful on it provides a whopping 4 Magic Defense Bonus.

The base shield is very good. That, along with occasional use of Adamas, could have worked as a stepping stone for Paladins. But, the poor selection of augments reduce the shield to an option for Paladins super-tanking in Rieves to see if they enjoy the job or Dark Knights using Requiscat on that annoying Cerberus in Bhaflau Remnants.

They should make a shield that double's reprisal's duration.

Heck, how about a shield, for all jobs:

Doubles spike spell duration (including reprisal, though not potency)
Enhancing magic +20
Healing Magic +20
Dark magic +20?

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Originally Posted by SpankWustler

The sad thing is, I feel like this thread wouldn't even exist if the augments on Steadfast Shield weren't the worst thing since sliced cat poop compared to the augments on other items. If the listing on BG Wiki is correct, the only path with something super-useful on it provides a whopping 4 Magic Defense Bonus.

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The HP/VIT/INT augments hold some amount of promise as well in my opinion, as the extra HP can be helpful and the VIT/INT helps to decrease damage taken anyways, but without final numbers its hard to say. If the VIT & INT are only 4 rather than 10 like most augments seem to be for that kind of stat then they are terrible, but if they are 10 it could be the best path we have. In either case, better augments would have made it stand out more, as I said earlier, a path with higher block rate and/or Shield Def. Bonus would have been the best thing it could have gotten, and it would have made it amazing if done right!

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Originally Posted by SpankWustler

The base shield is very good.

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Yes but one of the problem of any shield that's not Aegis/Ochain, is that you can stack as many -DT as you want on it, but it's still gonna stay within the 50 max cap. Aegis (and Burtgang) allow you to go beyond that, and that's what's really broken.

Aegis wouldn't be that insane if it didn't have this exception, would just free up some slots in your MDT set (well, it would still be an awesome shield of course, just not as awesome as it is today)

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Originally Posted by OmnysValefor

They should make a shield that double's reprisal's duration.

Heck, how about a shield, for all jobs:

Doubles spike spell duration (including reprisal, though not potency)
Enhancing magic +20
Healing Magic +20
Dark magic +20?

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Would totally solve PLD's issues, inorite?

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Originally Posted by OmnysValefor

They should make a shield that double's reprisal's duration.

Heck, how about a shield, for all jobs:

Doubles spike spell duration (including reprisal, though not potency)
Enhancing magic +20
Healing Magic +20
Dark magic +20?

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No, that's bad. Try steadfast shield as a base, but with -10%DT, +30 MDB and enhances reprisal (proc rate, duration and max damage reflected).

(Edited because of what Saevel brought to light a few posts later.)

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Originally Posted by Zhronne

Would totally solve PLD's issues, inorite?

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It would be an effort. PLD's "issues" is that some people want to play paladin but don't want to build the shields. PLD is balanced heavily around being geared and yet there are people that want to use their paladin to gear their paladin. It's a fine idea but XI has never worked that way: If your job wasn't up to the level your group needed it at, you did something about it, and that included going back and finishing older content and often leveling another job.

My PLD's only issues is inventory space.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

No, that's
bad. Try steadfast shield as a base, but with -10%DT, +30 MDB and enhances reprisal (proc rate, duration and max number of procs before wearing off.

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Sorry, I was talking about the skills I listed on steadfast shield, but for all jobs.

Only reason I think all jobs is because other shield-capable jobs would be QQing almost immediately. RDMs would want such a shield.

Aegis and Ochain sure do fly in the face of the new content level system. What content level are the shields themselves, and what content level are the events they are obtained and upgraded from? What content level are other items from these same events? I'll wager that the content levels for Abyssea and Dynamis and their respective rewards are a good bit lower than Delve. So why doesn't the current highest content level event get something at least equivalent to these lower tier items? Why do lower content level events get such apparently high content level rewards?

A neat magic to hold constant hate on single target or knock-back upon use might be neat.
I recently came back to the game and haven't seen much Paladins.

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Originally Posted by OmnysValefor

and yet there are people that want to use their paladin to gear their paladin. It's a fine idea but XI has never worked that way: If your job wasn't up to the level your group needed it at, you did something about it, and that included going back and finishing older content and often leveling another job.

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I built a Delve weapon for sam using an auction house GK. Try doing that on paladin.