Full Perle

well, if you don't have abyssea, there's not a lot of content where it's critical that you're better than perle either.

I'm a firm believer in it doesn't matter what you gear with you can have the best gear in the game and still not be as good as some other players. it's all about skill and how well you play your job.^^

if you care what other people think about what you wear (to an extent, if your rocking lvl 40 gear on a lvl 90 job, then you need to suck less) you need to reevaluate why you are playing this game, yes it is true that for each job there is a best of the best gear set for every imaginable situation, that being said, just because its not the best of the best, does (notice the spelling on does, not dose, dos,or dus, sorry personal pet peeve) not mean it is not perfectly acceptable

remember, haters gonna hate, even if you do have the best of the best, haters still gonna hate, its in the nature of haters, i welcome them, it means im doing something right, hating me means you jelly, ill take all the haters i can get

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Originally Posted by Ladyofdragons

I'm a firm believer in it doesn't matter what you gear with you can have the best gear in the game and still not be as good as some other players. it's all about skill and how well you play your job.^^

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You will however perform worse compared to a person of equal player skill, with better gear. The other player needs to be a very poor player for it to make up for the difference between below average gear and "prettygood" gear.

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Originally Posted by Yashii

Im just going to say this to get it out there, It is Acceptable for DRG and DRK to full perle. ONLY DRG and DRK.

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This is from a few pages back but don't see anyone explicitly refuted it. Perle may have been good gear at 80 for DRK and DRG, but it is not at 90.

I will speak to DRK since it is one of my 90 jobs. DRK Bale Head +2 is 6% haste, the Bale Body is 2 or 3 % haste (+1 and +2) the Bale hands are 4 and 5% haste (+1 and +2) Owning any of those pieces on drk makes the Perle set pointless. Its not a question of Dusk +1 gloves anymore. Drk Hands especially is an easy duo of a manticore in Altepa, and the body can be quested in one of the most simplistic quests. ( I think i got 5 seals from questing and 5 from a NM in Grauberg) Also owning either ace's hose or ace's mufflers make Perle pointless for DRK.

Perle is fine for someone who just leveled the job, but I would recommend working on the +1 and +2 items. As has been said numerous times, many of the seal NMs are pretty easy now. Seeing a player in full perle I would assume they either don't care about the job or its very recently leveled.

Seems like we are circling ourselves here, Perle until +1/+2.

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Originally Posted by Sagian

What about people who don't have Abyssea for one reason or another? How do they do better than Pearle?

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I know this is kind of an archaic term, but: Auction House. lol. If you are referring to the Empyrean armor, then you're SOL. I would then just try and upgrade the normal stuff that's AH-able beyond 78.

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Originally Posted by Harpalina

I know this is kind of an archaic term, but: Auction House. lol. If you are referring to the Empyrean armor, then you're SOL. I would then just try and upgrade the normal stuff that's AH-able beyond 78.

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I know they added a lot of new synergy recipes to the game.. that almost nobody has touched...

I'm sure there are some decent armor sets that aren't listed on wiki.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

You will however perform worse compared to a person of equal player skill, with better gear. The other player needs to be a very poor player for it to make up for the difference between below average gear and "prettygood" gear.

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Thus explaining in further detail on what I posted yesterday about "Good gear doesn't make a good player good; it makes a good player better." You should always strive to be better...unless you're perfectly fine with being complacent. I don't have any +1 or +2 yet, but I'm working on it. I don't use perle body at all...I still like my Hauberk+1.

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Originally Posted by Flunklesnarkin

I know they added a lot of new synergy recipes to the game.. that almost nobody has touched...

I'm sure there are some decent armor sets that aren't listed on wiki.

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If I'm not mistaken, Grim Cuirass is a synergy item and that body piece is nice.

Oh that Grim. Best 1.4m I've spent. /cling

I'm wearing Perle and there is nothing you can do about it !!!!!

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Originally Posted by Bhrams

Oh that Grim. Best 1.4m I've spent. /cling

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I spent 2 mil on it and it's went way down in price so I resold it. I'll buy it back when it comes down past 500k, but by that time there will be something better to spend on. lol.

And also to add, if you're thinking, "It won't go down that low.", my old LS mate swore up and down that Grim Cuirass wouldn't go down 1.5mil until like June of this year. Yeah. Look at where it's at now. 1mil on Valefor. /facepalm

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Originally Posted by Harpalina

I spent 2 mil on it and it's went way down in price so I resold it. I'll buy it back when it comes down past 500k, but by that time there will be something better to spend on. lol.

And also to add, if you're thinking, "It won't go down that low.", my old LS mate swore up and down that Grim Cuirass wouldn't go down 1.5mil until like June of this year. Yeah. Look at where it's at now. 1mil on Valefor. /facepalm

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Even if it goes down, I won't be dissapointed. Amazing peice, glad I have it.

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Originally Posted by Harukusan

I tend to associate full perle/aurore/teal users as "noobs" (being the general term for incompetent) because of the lack of effort it takes to obtain these gear sets. It tells me that they either don't care to improve themselves, or they simply display ignorance because someone else told them it was cool. In either of these cases, I don't care what you do personally, it's your choice, but I won't associate myself with you, and that's my choice.

It's not like Empyrean armor is hard to come by. If you have one or two good friends who also want to upgrade armor, you can do pretty much anything Abyssea has to offer if you guys are focused and skilled enough. Seriously. I've got about 8 jobs worth of new armor give or take, some are full sets all blue box, and I obtained these farming mostly with only one friend. You can do it too if you put the effort into it and stop getting babied around all the time.

Salvage has been made much much easier now especially with the 3 person minimum instead of 6. At least Salvage gear looks prettier and still takes some time and effort to obtain. You're likely better off sporting old gear over perle simply because people would respect you more as a player. Unless you were one of those Scorpion Harness sporting DDs.

If you want serious, specific advice on the directions your should take on your priorities, feel free to PM me. I can give you a big list of chores that will get you where you want to go. :)

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Nothing wrong with wearing pearl as a bridge...despite this post. Btw, I'm sure they won't lose any sleep that you won't associatte with them. I see self-righteous douchedom is alive and well in FFX1!

Perle is associated with noobs because there are hordes of people wearing it on the jobs that it isn't the best "bridge" gear for. If you can wear b haidate as an example then the second you put that perle on you're weakening yourself. Byakko has been a soloable job since lv 80 for some people so by lv 90 you are bound to have at least some friends that can help if you're willing to drag your butt to sky.
There are also hordes of noobs that don't bother wearing the full set so not only did they weaken themselves by putting perle on but they didn't even bother to put the last piece on that does something more than whatever sucky piece they decided to wear instead.

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Originally Posted by Khajit

Perle is associated with noobs because there are hordes of people wearing it on the jobs that it isn't the best "bridge" gear for. If you can wear b haidate as an example then the second you put that perle on you're weakening yourself. Byakko has been a soloable job since lv 80 for some people so by lv 90 you are bound to have at least some friends that can help if you're willing to drag your butt to sky.
There are also hordes of noobs that don't bother wearing the full set so not only did they weaken themselves by putting perle on but they didn't even bother to put the last piece on that does something more than whatever sucky piece they decided to wear instead.

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You're talking about getting gear that a lot of people don't have access too compaired to something that is basically free and readily available.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

Sounds about right for pretty much every shout group ever made since 2003, lol. Honestly, I'd recommend avoiding them like the plague if people had the option, and just go do things with 1-2 friends who can play well. Whenever I do that, though, I get people coming out up in arms about how it's impossible and I'm an elitist etc etc. If shout groups are all someone can find, it's better than sitting in Jeuno and doing nothing. If one does have a couple solid friends with a healthy job combination between them, it's definitely less of a headache to just go that route.

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I've had success and failure with shout groups. I wouldn't say avoid them...to some it's their only real way of obtaining the gear that makes them "ungimp" in so many people's eyes. Some are just gettin back to the game and learning the abbyssea ropes...others are new to endgame content in general. (not that i'd put seal nms as endgame, but to newish players without 3 lunars and many of the better atma it could seem as such) In the end, I encourage you to try stuff out and not let people dissuade you. Maybe you'll be in a fail group, maybe not. And maybe you'll meet a friend/friends who you can later duo or trio stuff together. This game does promote and reward the more social players so join those shouts. Better than trolling Port jeuno and commenting that "This or that NM can be soloed" while trying to put a shout together. Never understood the need for people to do this. Anyways, have fun!

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Originally Posted by Khajit

Perle is associated with noobs because there are hordes of people wearing it on the jobs that it isn't the best "bridge" gear for. If you can wear b haidate as an example then the second you put that perle on you're weakening yourself. Byakko has been a soloable job since lv 80 for some people so by lv 90 you are bound to have at least some friends that can help if you're willing to drag your butt to sky.
There are also hordes of noobs that don't bother wearing the full set so not only did they weaken themselves by putting perle on but they didn't even bother to put the last piece on that does something more than whatever sucky piece they decided to wear instead.

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Byakko has been soloed at 80? By whom?

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

You're talking about getting gear that a lot of people don't have access too compaired to something that is basically free and readily available.

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AF3+2 not being sold by a vendor does not make Perle good gear. It's already been mentioned that it is passable at best for new/returning players. However, it's not something to get comfortable in. It is bad gear. It is better than being naked, but you want to get out of it ASAP. Considering all AF3+1 can be solo'd in Quests if someone doesn't have the playtime to kill the NMs, there's really no reason to advocate Perle.

I shouldn't need to tell anyone wearing Perle that Perle is crap. They should know that it is crap, and be on their way to replace it. I highly doubt anyone, even on BG, would fault players who are actively working on better gear. It's only people who stop, settle with Perle, and decide that it's "good enough for them" that get ragged on.

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Originally Posted by Auredant

Byakko has been soloed at 80? By whom?

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Avesta did it at 80 right after the patch as a rdm. Lv 90 nin and some other jobs have killed it solo at this point now as well but it's long and boring imo and easier to just get help.
Because of this if you have any friends it can be easily killed by a DD whm and thf (if memory from what others whom have done so is correct)with any extra people coming along to help if you wish.(preferably in a support role like enfeebling or refresh/buffs to not tpfeed Byakko) Byakko was already killable with 5 at lv 75 so it's no stretch that some decently people with at least a clue at lv 90 can kill it for you. Tbh the hardest part now is getting diorite to drop since despot's aery is gone.

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

You're talking about getting gear that a lot of people don't have access too compaired to something that is basically free and readily available.

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dusk gloves are less than 10k in ah, leveling to 80 or 85 nets enough gil from cruor/dominion notes to buy dusk+1 feet if there isnt some other cheap/easy option to wear, Nyzul isle is ridiculously easy atm and the stp from askar body beats out full perle if they have the same haste as perle when x-hit's are involved, walmart turban is not yet hard to get although you need more gil to buy the coins instead of using IS if unlucky but otherwise it's easy to get, Ace's sabatons is a 100% drop and there are enough people spamming empy from the mob(which just happens to be soloable too) that simply asking if you can have the drop is bound to work eventually, i'll admit homam legs is actually trouble to get thanks to the time restrictions on limbus and that the tonberry for aces hose isn't anything id expect a noob to get easily killed but in the end it means that perle is already beaten if a person has some/any help at all and can be beaten within a days worth of effort.
That same day's worth of effort can also obtain several +1 pieces if people you know wish to focus on putting one at a point to do away with full perle.

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Originally Posted by Khajit

Avesta did it at 80 right after the patch as a rdm. Lv 90 nin and some other jobs have killed it solo at this point now as well but it's long and boring imo and easier to just get help.
Because of this if you have any friends it can be easily killed by a DD whm and thf (if memory from what others whom have done so is correct)with any extra people coming along to help if you wish.(preferably in a support role like enfeebling or refresh/buffs to not tpfeed Byakko) Byakko was already killable with 5 at lv 75 so it's no stretch that some decently people with at least a clue at lv 90 can kill it for you. Tbh the hardest part now is getting diorite to drop since despot's aery is gone.



dusk gloves are less than 10k in ah, leveling to 80 or 85 nets enough gil from cruor/dominion notes to buy dusk+1 feet if there isnt some other cheap/easy option to wear, Nyzul isle is ridiculously easy atm and the stp from askar body beats out full perle if they have the same haste as perle when x-hit's are involved, walmart turban is not yet hard to get although you need more gil to buy the coins instead of using IS if unlucky but otherwise it's easy to get, Ace's sabatons is a 100% drop and there are enough people spamming empy from the mob(which just happens to be soloable too) that simply asking if you can have the drop is bound to work eventually, i'll admit homam legs is actually trouble to get thanks to the time restrictions on limbus and that the tonberry for aces hose isn't anything id expect a noob to get easily killed but in the end it means that perle is already beaten if a person has some/any help at all and can be beaten within a days worth of effort.
That same day's worth of effort can also obtain several +1 pieces if people you know wish to focus on putting one at a point to do away with full perle.

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I've only seen clips of it bein soloed at 90, not saying ur wrong mind you...thats one bad lil taru...but 1 person doing it and saying soloable by some jobs at 80 are 2 different things. Makes it sound commonplace and is misleading. But this game is full of people saying everything is soloable so, not at all surprising.

The original point was when i mentioned the solo is that if it was soloable at 80 then 10 levels later it can easily be taken down by a pt or less of the "average" player. It being taken down by a single party was already increasingly commonplace at 75 The only reason the solos aren't commonplace is because it takes forever to do so and there are much more fun things to kill instead that have non outdated drops ( barring haidate for an increasingly small job pool with it being relegated to a misc gearswap for some)aka just about everything in abyssea.

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Originally Posted by Greatguardian

AF3+2 not being sold by a vendor does not make Perle good gear. It's already been mentioned that it is passable at best for new/returning players. However, it's not something to get comfortable in. It is bad gear. It is better than being naked, but you want to get out of it ASAP. Considering all AF3+1 can be solo'd in Quests if someone doesn't have the playtime to kill the NMs, there's really no reason to advocate Perle.

I shouldn't need to tell anyone wearing Perle that Perle is crap. They should know that it is crap, and be on their way to replace it. I highly doubt anyone, even on BG, would fault players who are actively working on better gear. It's only people who stop, settle with Perle, and decide that it's "good enough for them" that get ragged on.

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I agree to a certain degree. Perle shouldn't be advocated to be the best gear, but the stats aren't half bad. They're excellent in the 78-80 range. Maybe even a little higher than that. Yeah everyone should strive to get the AF3+1's or +2's but I don't think you should be admonished for wearing Perle/Teal/Aurore gear. Like I have mentioned earlier, I'm wearing 2 to 3 pieces of the gear, mostly due to gear swapping of WS mods. And if a player doesn't have the means to solo every seal for all five pieces of their AF3's, then they don't have the means. Does it make them nooby? Not in the least. But I do agree that being complacent is where noobishness hits; one should always strive to be better.

As long as you don't use full Empyrean(un-upgraded), Perle is fine in my book. o.oy

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Originally Posted by Harpalina

I agree to a certain degree. Perle shouldn't be advocated to be the best gear, but the stats aren't half bad. They're excellent in the 78-80 range. Maybe even a little higher than that. Yeah everyone should strive to get the AF3+1's or +2's but I don't think you should be admonished for wearing Perle/Teal/Aurore gear. Like I have mentioned earlier, I'm wearing 2 to 3 pieces of the gear, mostly due to gear swapping of WS mods. And if a player doesn't have the means to solo every seal for all five pieces of their AF3's, then they don't have the means. Does it make them nooby? Not in the least. But I do agree that being complacent is where noobishness hits; one should always strive to be better.

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To me, yes it does make them noobish, because anyone can go out and get a shout group to get your AF done. I went around thinking it was difficult without a proper LS, and was proven wrong. I now have a full set of +1 or 2 AF3 for my jobs, from shout groups, and being a big boy rather than sitting around and complaining its too hard.

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Originally Posted by TearValerin

To me, yes it does make them noobish, because anyone can go out and get a shout group to get your AF done. I went around thinking it was difficult without a proper LS, and was proven wrong. I now have a full set of +1 or 2 AF3 for my jobs, from shout groups, and being a big boy rather than sitting around and complaining its too hard.

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Well, to each his/her own. I don't base a player solely on ones' accomplishments (i.e. gear.), but more so on how they play their character. I try not to make petty judgments.

And also another thing to add, I would rather take someone who has full Perle gear and can perform their job well, than someone with full AF3+2 thinking their sh*t don't stink and treat other players like crap.

full perle or bust!
best gearset in the game, use it forever.

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Originally Posted by Harpalina

Well, to each his/her own. I don't base a player solely on ones' accomplishments (i.e. gear.), but more so on how they play their character. I try not to make petty judgments.

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About 3 weeks ago, I was in a La Theine worms alliance. There were 12 melee DDs, each wearing pre 75 equipment, or full cruor set, and 1 drg with a few pieces AF3, and AF2+1. Her Drakesbane outparsed the party by 65%. When you have 6-8 DDs spamming their strongest WS to kill one worm, yet the drg next to you is soloing that worm, we have a problem. Lazy DDs are bad DDs. If they make excuses for not having at least the next best thing (like a thf wearing 50s daggers because he thought they looked cool, or mnk using afflictors for same reason) then they are no good to me.

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Originally Posted by TearValerin

About 3 weeks ago, I was in a La Theine worms alliance. There were 12 melee DDs, each wearing pre 75 equipment, or full cruor set, and 1 drg with a few pieces AF3, and AF2+1. Her Drakesbane outparsed the party by 65%. When you have 6-8 DDs spamming their strongest WS to kill one worm, yet the drg next to you is soloing that worm, we have a problem. Lazy DDs are bad DDs. If they make excuses for not having at least the next best thing (like a thf wearing 50s daggers because he thought they looked cool, or mnk using afflictors for same reason) then they are no good to me.

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I'm sure Atma played a role too. And I'm not saying a LV 50 weapon on a LV 90 character should be worn, no matter how uber the stats might be. My point is 78 gear on a 90 isn't that far of a stretch. It's only a 12 level difference. And again, the stats aren't horrible. I'm not advocating full perle is end all be all. I've never worn full perle myself, but to completely dismiss someone just because of their gear is a little superficial. And if they have good atmas, then it balances things out, in my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Harpalina

I'm sure Atma played a role too. And I'm not saying a LV 50 weapon on a LV 90 character should be worn, no matter how uber the stats might be. My point is 78 gear on a 90 isn't that far of a stretch. It's only a 12 level difference. And again, the stats aren't horrible. I'm not advocating full perle is end all be all. I've never worn full perle myself, but to completely dismiss someone just because of their gear is a little superficial. And if they have good atmas, then it balances things out, in my opinion.

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Im just saying there are a lot of lazy dogpiles of DDs out there who think what they have on is good enough, when it's just plain awful. I'm not belittling perle, some of them are aspiring to be more, but some DDs just make me sick, like this one who told a dude to get out of Walahra Turban because haste takes time to proc >_>.

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Originally Posted by TearValerin

Im just saying there are a lot of lazy dogpiles of DDs out there who think what they have on is good enough, when it's just plain awful. I'm not belittling perle, some of them are aspiring to be more, but some DDs just make me sick, like this one who told a dude to get out of Walahra Turban because haste takes time to proc >_>.

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Uhm...I'm not really sure what that last statement means lol. I always have Walmart Turban on for TP.

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Originally Posted by Harpalina

Uhm...I'm not really sure what that last statement means lol. I always have Walmart Turban on for TP.

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He meant haste is like an additional effect on a weapon, like it has a small % chance to activate... which is incredibly wrong as we all know.

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Originally Posted by TearValerin

He meant haste is like an additional effect on a weapon, like it has a small % chance to activate... which is incredibly wrong as we all know.

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Uh? Wtf that doesn't make sense!

That was sort of the point ^

I will admit to being one of the noob dd's in full perle. It's a temporary problem I am working to solve. Alas until after abyssea came out, I was a whm full time. So back in the days when I ran an end game linkshell and we were constantly gearing up dds, I didn't think to pick up a few of the shiny pieces for myself. I don't have sky/sea/dynamis gear for my sam. Perle seemed like the best choice for damage. I also have a tp build(not the recommended one, but it works). I also busted my butt to get the shiny atmas before ever thinking of using the job. I'm currently working on my empyrean set. I'd be more than happy to buy ah gear for sam if someone could point me to something better for sam until I can get the af3 +2(or +1 for that matter), but until then, it's full Perle or nothing.

I don't mind people wearing full Perle as long as they are competent in whatever job they are on, and the weapons/accessories they are using are up to par. I fully understand that Perle set is a very good alternative to Empyrean +1 armor if they haven't obtained it yet so that I'm fine with.

Pearl/Aurore/Teal is fine with me as long as the person wearing it understands that it is not the best gear, is not final gear for those slots, and is actively working on getting Emp gear, which is not that difficult to obtain really.

seriously don't listen to haters, if they wanna complain about you wearing Perle, then drop their pt. If you're tanking with Perle, they prolly need you, stick it to them by leaving. if they didn't need you, then oh well. don't let them ruin your experiance

Beggars can't be choosy.