Skilling up in general needs to be revamped. Again.
I don't mind this game having grinds, but the skill-up system for anything not-weapons has always been way too slow.
Sooo many people have resorted to botting skill-ups overnight, because doing it normally takes forever.
The rate at which we gain skill-ups makes absolutely no sense, when you compare to the rate that experience falls out of the sky.
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10-02-2012, 06:30 PMKari
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10-02-2012, 09:55 PMArconYou're not really wrong, but I can live with skilling from 0 to cap taking a few hours, which is the case for almost all magic skills (Enfeebling, Dark, Elemental, Healing and BRD skills). I did all of them on a mule in two days or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kari
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10-02-2012, 10:39 PMRambus^ no, just no -.- I even did the sing while I wait for things to happen in jueno and that does not work anymore. I would say BS for all of that but I did not exactly put in effort into Enfeebling, Dark, and Elemental since those skills where a joke since level 80 and the fact I did not exactly get to play those jobs much when I returned. I have a BLM/WHM/SCH other charter that uses those skills but because i jam Threnodys for brd skills, he got a lot less attention with my farming and other things I was talking about for my return for 1 month now ( 3 weeks for the brd only kick)Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
Ok even with his low attention his elemental is close to cap but to level to 1-99 and capping that in 2 days from 0 skill? naaaa
btw 0-280 does not count as being capped, just because that is the skill point of being higher then 75. (0-280 was easy on brd, 281+ was/is freken hell) -
10-03-2012, 01:41 AMArconThat has never worked, and that's not the proper way to skill. That's called wasting your time. You can skill all damage-dealing skills (all mentioned except the BRD skills) on worms in Abyssea (or skeletons, for Healing Magic). Only BRD skills require camp changes so you don't get full resists, but you can still do pretty large gaps (from 0 to ~100 on random lv50 worms, until ~200 on Hpemde in sea, then to cap on worms in Abyssea again). Offensive spells give skill-ups with a high frequently, and they all have spells with very fast casting and recast times (or enough spells to cycle). Set some macros up and spam them. It's very boring, but you can watch TV, work, study, play other games or w/e you do on the side.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rambus
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10-03-2012, 02:27 AMRambusno.................Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
not in 2 days you are not, no freakin way.
and I was skilling up in abyssea with 0 string skill and getting +.5s like every other song, i only went to sea because it was like 160? or so and guy wanted a break. I think i got it up to like 220 when we did abyssea more.
and healing skill I'm not even gonna try that, leveling it that way is stupid anyways. like others said about grinding SMN skill what is the point?
like i said before for songs 0-280 does not count as cap, 373 is, and after 280 it is very painful.
btw songs can resist and still get skill ups -.- pretty sure I got skill ups off no effect messages too. -
10-03-2012, 02:41 AMMirage
The point of leveling healing magic would be to pump out superior cures. You might have been away when it happened, but healing magic skill actually makes a difference now.
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10-03-2012, 02:54 AMRambus
Mine was capped as a 75 whm.. maybe.. I know i capped it as a 75 rdm so how does that change for sub?
he was talking about capping it in two days for a level 99 job not 49.
Anywaywas my point was why do i have to level it off undead for 48 straight hours? isn't that a bit counter productive on things you could be doing? I did not mean healing magic was worthless to skill. Meaning I was asking what is the point of griding it like that. -
10-03-2012, 03:04 AMMirage
Oh, with that, I agree.
Skillups for all skills should level up at a reasonable pace doing normal content, like they do for combat skills. -
10-03-2012, 03:48 AMArconLike I said in an earlier post, I just made a new mule. I'll make a video of skilling it on her (if I remember) just to give you an idea of how quick skills are flying in. I wasn't exaggerating, a few hours are enough to cap it, and I don't mean 75 cap, but ~95 cap. It won't go entirely to 99 because mobs need to be DC or higher for that, so unless someone leveled them up, it'll only go to the ~95 area. But from there it's really not too difficult to skill anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rambus
Anyway, you don't have to believe me, either try for yourself or wait for me to do it in the future when I'll post the video. The point is, it works extremely fast, completely incomparable to Summoning Magic skill-ups. I didn't know about resist skill-ups for songs, but if that's true it only makes things easier, it means you can start skilling it in Abyssea right away.
On my PLD I got my healing skill from ~200 to ~90 cap (I'm not sure if it was at 90 cap or 95 cap back then) in four hours on undeads in Abyssea - Attohwa, without any skill-up food. Would work faster in Abyssea - Grauberg.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rambus
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10-03-2012, 04:00 AMRambus
Let me repeat myself.
I returned to the game a month ago.
in that first week i found out my ls could make use a good active brd and since i already had key +3 interments I took it upon myself to gear it ( no emp gear)
So I went from 90-99 starting skills was like 340ish singing/wind and 0 string.
So I got 99 and started to only use brd for all events, even for farming for emp gear.
After some farming for 2-3 days (first week of brd im talking about) i went 0-280 string pretty easliy and in the mist of that i went to sea for a bit as my farm help went afk, that was like 140-160, not sure to 220 or so.
Then after more farming, even before i had +2s I got around 280 skill. After seaing my skill go up so deadlfy slow i went to do merit pts.
While doing this i went to exp pts for merits for the sole base of leveling skill. I did two parties of getting 30 merits so that is 60 merits total for skill.
Then in those next two weeks of starting at 280 skill I still did VW events and other things and the skill up rate is still dead. I do not care about you bragging about getting cap skill for 90 or 95 for a brd that is a c+ skill anyway. Im talking how much a pain it was to level after 280.
and in those 3 weeks I STILL did not cap SINGING even when that was cap for level 80 or 85 or so? before i came back. and singing can skill up using wind or string. Also in the 3 weeks of playing brd only (kinda forgot to say this earlier) I still went to VW events and ended up getting some skills of bismark for string during my down time, he might of took me 10-50? fort string? do not remember.
skilling past 280 on brd is a huge pain, before that it is easy.
Add up all the exp i got in those 3 weeks while trying to skill up shall we?
I started with 6 points in int and 2 str, I now have 12 str and 11 int ( i forget what this would total)
I maxed a ws to 5, unlocked 3 others. with a random hp merit 6 to 7.
actually idk what that is but im sure it is over 100 merits.
oh and don't forget those 10 merits to unlock accessing the wss.
I do not care if you got cap for a 95, i am telling you getting cap to 99 is a pain as a brd after a point (0-280 easy, 281- cap is a pain)
You're video is not going to change what I experienced in the last 3 weeks or need to tell me a worm might give you a .XX after 10-20 Threnodies after 280 skill. -
10-03-2012, 04:48 AMNawesemo
Meh... I still don't get it,
I mean we either are happy we can hit 99 in hours, and pissed we can't skill as quickly.
Or, we'd be pissed that the grind to 99 was insane, and happy our skills stayed fairly close to where they should be for our levels.
In either case we are happier than we would be otherwise, I don't think I'd play as much as I do if everything was just ... simple and lacked any time, effort or whatever... pathetic.. sure but still it's why alot of us play, to keep up with the jones's yeah? and it wasn't ever the destination no? but the Journey?
So yeah.. skilling sucks but it's better than being handed a 99 smn and feeling no accomplishment for it?
(my test failed misserablly I got on smn @ 20 chilled with the wife, seen modest skill ups (every other blood pact thingy)... we Hooked up with a dude in the dunes, made our way to gusen and after that I started rambling on and on about leveling in aby... vs trying to get to 99 the ancient way to our new buddy. or something like that. so I did see some skill ups, and they came alot quicker than they used to so yeah.... I'm not seeing the grip.) -
10-03-2012, 04:53 AMArconThere's absolutely no need. I read everything you said and I understood it. You're wrong, and here's why:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rambus
First of all, I did mean to cap, not to 280. I only said I skilled healing on PLD to ~90 cap in a few hours. Secondly, skilling does not get magically worse after 280. There is no tier you break into where skilling up starts to be shitty. It simply gets slower the closer you come to cap, and it's a gradual decrease. Thirdly, nowhere did you mention skilling up. You mentioned being in EXP/merit parties and doing VW and whatever else you think helped, but that's not skilling. That's just randomly getting skills here and there. And there's a huge difference in that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rambus
I'm not sure if you knew this (it's common knowledge, I just can't tell from your post), but you get skills a lot faster from casting on NPCs instead of players. Every cast you spend buffing (which is a majority of what a BRD does in any group scenario) is time wasted for skill-up purposes, hence when you're meriting, doing VW or certain LS events you're not skilling up. I mentioned worms, because they serve a purpose, because skilling on them is far more preferable to anything else you could be doing if you want to increase your skill levels.
And finally, I offered the video because it would be strong evidence to what I'm saying is correct. I know it's not gonna change your experiences, but I'm saying your experiences are not relevant to the skill-up discussion, because you weren't skilling up. Fact is, you can skill up BRD skills very quickly (and I'll post some evidence for that). Fact is, you can't do the same on SMN (I suppose I could post evidence for that, but it would be very long and messy, it's hard to show the absence of something like this). This discrepancy is the entire crux of this discussion. That's why we want SE to adjust the skillup mechanics for the few jobs/skills that were left behind. -
10-03-2012, 05:34 AMRambus
casting brd spells on npcs?
and I know skill gains go slower as you get closer to cap but after 280 that was the point it got intolerable as brd. Like others pointed out skill in your main thing really should come naturally and I said I spammed things on high level mobs. I do not know for sure but most VW nms are higher level then worms in abyssea right? or abyssea nms for seals?
How is spamming Threnodies on things not skilling up as you do things? -.-
I told you after 280 WHILE getting merits, I spammed Threnodies on worms and after 1-2 full cycles it takes for a skill up gain, 0.x not a full point, this is 8-16 casts. It is the same for vw nms just about though when I did that to abyssea mobs i was a bit lower so might been a bit faster then now just doing the nms.
Was never happy with the hand me exp. If common mobs die 5-20 seconds and nms die in 30 seconds to 10 minutes then skill rate needs to be made faster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nawesemo
The rate of skill ups went along with how you progress in the game when cap is 75, ever since abyssea came, making the game 80+ the that was no longer true. Like i said before only skills where it did not fit that rule back then was shield (before the change) parry, and guard. Now evade, parry and guard may be like that (unless maybe being thf for everything, not sure. I might be wrong with evade but the way things are i am just guessing that might be slow.
What is the point of a skill up grind? like i said earlier I would rather toss out cures more then juggle that with spaming Threnodies.
*In other words i be happier if we kept the old system to 99 then this fast exp, slow skill gains. That is like tricking people that they do not have to grind anything anymore.
I did SMN in the new 75 though so it was easier be close at cap ( got 75 smn sometime between ATU and before level sync so i got the skill up as you bp. I think might of been before the separation of ward and attack though, not sure.)
My point is just that skilling up is too slow for the times for a lot of skills with how the game is now. I had no problem with skill gains at 75 but now i do at 99, wonder why that is .... mobs dieing to fast could be the issue even the harder nms now don't like long, live vw nms is like 5 mintues. I know it is always less then 10 because I have to wait on Nightingale, Troubadour, and Marcato recasts.
That is the other thing when those are up one VW mob it is play 4 songs once ( 2 melee and 2 for mage) sometimes it is just 2 like hug blob thing then i can just spam Threnodies for about 7 minutes. -
10-03-2012, 03:45 PMKarbuncleMost don't friend.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nawesemo
Cause Being able to hit 99, and Skill up in less than 3 weeks would be Blasphemous.Quote:
I mean we either are happy we can hit 99 in hours, and pissed we can't skill as quickly.
Or, we'd be pissed that the grind to 99 was insane, and happy our skills stayed fairly close to where they should be for our levels.
This is where its "To each his own". I prefer the Journey to be doing content with friends, being useful, and having fun. Not sitting in An abyssea zone, alone, spamming Bloodpacts on a bunch of fodder mobs hoping to see a 0.1 fly by.Quote:
In either case we are happier than we would be otherwise, I don't think I'd play as much as I do if everything was just ... simple and lacked any time, effort or whatever... pathetic.. sure but still it's why alot of us play, to keep up with the jones's yeah? and it wasn't ever the destination no? but the Journey?
I've never thought of skilling up as exciting content to keep me playing, only a mindless grind. But, As i opened with, This is where its "To each his own"...
I don't mind having to skill up, It just shouldn't be so very drawn out. I actually get to play SMN every so often, VW, and ADL, And i've been 99 SMN since the cap... Yet my skill still sits a little under 400, Which is well from cap. I spam BP's at those events like no ones ever seen, and I'll be lucky to see a 0.1 in all 6 VW fights, Or even in the entirety of the 2 hours at ADL.
It. Is. Ridiculous.
You're already handed a 99 SMN in most cases, With how quick Exp Is. I felt accomplished at 75 with a Maat's cap, Before Abyssea exp, That accomplishment? Dead now. I don't walk around like SE p*ssed in my cheerios either. IN the same light, I feel Skilling up Defensive/Non-Offensive Magics should be greatly adjusted and to split with people who did it the old way.Quote:
So yeah.. skilling sucks but it's better than being handed a 99 smn and feeling no accomplishment for it?
They can sit in linkshell babbling about the old days of HNM and how they had to walk to Dragon's Aery up hill both ways to camp Fafnir and skilled up their Guard on Behemoth.
Skilling up under 200 skill is so easy a trained monkey could do it, 200+, or more specifically 250~ or so is where it begins to get really bad. Come back when you get there.Quote:
(my test failed misserablly I got on smn @ 20 chilled with the wife, seen modest skill ups (every other blood pact thingy)... we Hooked up with a dude in the dunes, made our way to gusen and after that I started rambling on and on about leveling in aby... vs trying to get to 99 the ancient way to our new buddy. or something like that. so I did see some skill ups, and they came alot quicker than they used to so yeah.... I'm not seeing the grip.)
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10-04-2012, 02:08 AMRambus
Said that ^ only she said it better so i am just saying I hit like for the post and agree to it.
funny how she said around 250 and i said around 280 for my brd skills. I know it is not the same though as brd is a bit easier because of being able cast more for no mp but the rates still feel dead after that point.
But ya I had maaaats cap befor abyssea yada yada agreeing with how abyssea is hand me exp where before there was more commutation and meeting people not this chronic afk thing... ect etc just say agree ^ -
10-04-2012, 02:26 AMCamiieEven when XP was much harder to come by, Summoning Magic skillups never even remotely kept up with XP gain. It's always been a problem and it's never been addressed. It's just much more pronounced now. You can work your fingers to the bone and still not see appreciable progress. When people are putting forth time and effort to skillup and still not getting anywhere, that's a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nawesemo
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10-04-2012, 02:30 AMArconBRD can cast on NPCs and thus get massively faster skill-ups. Casting on NPCs gives substantially faster skill-up rates. See everything I said in my last two posts. SMN can use BPs on NPCs, but that only works twice in 45 seconds (if you're lucky), while BRD can do it indefinitely every 4 seconds or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rambus
Only they never said that. It seems you didn't quite understand what they meant in the first place.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rambus
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10-04-2012, 02:52 AMRambus
really?
and I did the same^Quote:
Originally Posted by Karbuncle
anyways can you please tell me how brd casts on npcs? or where is your lieing proof that brd is easy past 280? because this is the start of week 4 of spaming Threnodies on NMs and not capped in anything yet. -
10-04-2012, 03:11 AMArconYou even quoted and bolded the very same part that's different to what you said:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rambus
You do walk around as if SE pissed in your cheerios.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karbuncle
Why should I tell you? You answered it yourself one sentence later:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rambus
A NM is an NPC. NPC means non-player character. So anything that isn't another real player is an NPC. I didn't say mobs, because magic is more effective when cast on any NPC. For example, casting buffs on Besieged generals will give higher skill-up rates than casting buffs on PCs (other players or yourself).Quote:
Originally Posted by Rambus
I said I'll post it when I do it. I'm not going out of my way and adjust my schedule to prove something to some random guy on the forums whose rants don't show any signs of an open mind.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rambus
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10-04-2012, 03:32 AMRambus
Well I do not know if this is a modern slang but when I quit NPCs where those people that help you fight, like the campaign battle tarutarus. "A SCH can AOE protect on NPCs" and so on
that is your view on me because you do not like me calling you a lier. always funny seeing 'elite' people lie vs real experience.Quote:
You do walk around as if SE pissed in your cheerios.
just because in your little world playing for 72 hours straight to skill up something to cap is reasonable does not mean it is reasonable for others.
Like I said before to your first comment abyssea worms to cap was not cutting it, i tried that and got 60 merits in the process. (I accepted a 'party' twice just for the sake of skilling) I think i even stayed the first one even though i had 30/30 and 9999 points because exp is handed to you these days lol.
I give Troubadour and nightingale buffs then found a worm no one was killing and spam Threnodies. Was that too hard of a concept to understand? that i just did not just sit there and spam Threnodies solo? I did it while getting exp? I guess i tried to skill up wrong because i did not do it during a new moon *rolls eyes* -
10-04-2012, 04:02 AMArconSo my experience wasn't real? I imagined capping BRD skills on two characters and Enhancing Magic on three? And what makes you think I'm elite. I'm not the one who bragged how proud I am of my Maat's Cap and that EXP these days is worthless. That is elitist talk right there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rambus
It's not, which is why I'm posting in this thread in the first place. Because if I was alright with it, I wouldn't be complaining about Summoning Magic taking that long. I'm posting because I noticed Summoning Magic takes a lot longer than most other skills, and that seemed unreasonable to me. I don't think we're on a different page about this, the only difference is that my experience about BRD songs contradicts yours. And I dare to say that my experience is not a lucky streak, because I have a solid theory for it (which is widely accepted, even within this thread) as well as extensive evidence supporting it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rambus
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10-04-2012, 06:56 AMRambusThe bold, what? I hate your type that tries to show off by twisting other words around and troll people, same with your lieing experience. "Oh skill gains are fine because I play 72 hours straight doing it" "I am better then you cuz i did something that takes you weeks to do" < that is what you did and it is elitist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
where is the video you said you would show? -
10-04-2012, 07:08 AMMirage
Both agree skillups are too slow, arcon's experience is that brd is much faster than summoning, and can be capped more easily because you can spam songs much faster and on targets that will not fight back, while summoner cannot do this nearly as fast. I find this likely to be true, so can't be just leave this argument alone now?
And the pissing in cheerios comment wasn't even directed at you, Rambus. Calm down.
Anyway, please keep the thread as clean as possible, wouldn't want it closed because it turned into a huge fight about which skill levels how fast. -
10-04-2012, 07:24 AMRambus
I did say it was faster then smn skill long ago but I also said it was still slower then reasonable (past 280).
then he started arguing with me like it was ok because he can do it in 3 days by playing 72 hours stright and claim he has a video, then he said i was showing off just because I sad 'maats cap'
If he did not start with me none of this would been an issue -
10-04-2012, 09:21 AMOkipuit
Greetings,
We understand that a some of the posters feel that raising your summoning skill feels slow while others feel that the rate is not too bad. We brought your feedback to the Development Team to receive some insight as to how they feel about this system's current state. The team informed us that the rate at which skills increase when using offensive blood pacts against enemies was set high to compensate for how often they can be used. Due to this, they aren't currently planning to make any changes to the rate of skill ups. -
10-04-2012, 10:23 AMRambus
I think you are misunderstanding, we where talking about other magic skills and how they compare to Summoning skill.
Thanks for the comment but the skill up rate is too slow. For level 75 back in 2007 it fits, now with how the game is the slow skill up gain makes no sense.
If you are going to keep the skill up gain as it was at 75 can we have the 10k exp per hour back? Along with 2 hours to kill any high end NM? -
10-04-2012, 10:28 AMByrth
I can cap any weapon skill in an hour using Counterstance, Retaliation, and Mandies. I can cap any Defensive Skill in about ~2 hours now thanks to the Guard/Parrying update.
Magic Skills in general have lagged behind, but Summoner is particularly bad. I got 1~2 skill levels every 6 VWNMs BPing at max speed and using Ramuh so both of my BPs could target the monster. At this rate (assuming 1.5 skill levels per 6 VWNMs average), it would take 600 VWNMs to go from the 75 to 99 cap. Assuming 30 minutes per set of 6 VWNMs, it would take 50 hours to do that.
600 Voidstones and 50 RL hours to cap a skill vs. 1~2 hours for melee skills is a little bit of a huge difference, especially considering what a minor benefit having capped Summoning Magic Skill gives in the first place. Could you guys please reconsider? -
10-04-2012, 11:01 AMZubis
You're skilling up fighting NMs >.>
I easily capped my SMN skill in Abyssea parties going from 75 to 99. -
10-04-2012, 01:41 PMWaldrichSE: We don't care enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Okipuit
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10-04-2012, 02:37 PMRambusthis is why i brought up brd. how is this possible when .x point is after like 8-16 Threnodies? It feels like they are not high enough level because 1-280 i was getting something every 1-3 songs, after 280 that concept died turning a .x after 8-16 songs on NMs, abyssea is nearly non-existent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zubis
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10-04-2012, 02:40 PMSp1cyryanMust have had some slow abyssea PTs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zubis
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10-04-2012, 02:50 PMArconLiar. I said the exact opposite to that the last time you accused me of this bullshit:Quote:
Originally Posted by Rambus
I said it takes "a few hours" and by that I mean less than 10. I don't know exactly, because I didn't time it exactly, but I had it done in a day of playing (not a 24 hour day).Quote:
Originally Posted by Arcon
It's not, which is why I'm posting in this thread in the first place. Because if I was alright with it, I wouldn't be complaining about Summoning Magic taking that long.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rambus
Liar. Again. I also never said that, and even if I did it faster it does not make me better, because there is no real skill involved in skilling up, it's just spamming magic. This has nothing to do with elitism. This is you having the IQ of a fruit fly and not being able to understand what I'm saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rambus
Just like the other two things, I also answered that in my last post. I said I'll post it when I do it. I cannot post it before then. Do I have to explain why, or is your brain slowly absorbing the logic behind that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Rambus
I'll bet you all the gil I have that that's a lie. The only way to do that would be soloing from 75 to 99 and using nothing but BPs to do damage, which would take you about two months, which is an unreasonable amount of time as well, and not an indication of things working the way they should.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zubis
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10-04-2012, 02:52 PMRambusmore like curse word ___ slow because now that i think about it I do not think I ever capped anything off one trip to abysse and I had everything capped at 75 (expect minor skills in weapons for the time, I/E club, staff, GS)Quote:
Originally Posted by Sp1cyryan
The closest thing I have capped for 99 is blu in sword and blue magic skill because I used blu a lot at level cap 85 and level cap 90 for abyssea farming. Even after farming and meriting I do not think that was even capped lol. (Was high though like close to cap but not quite since im 400+ in both things) Note that I did not go out of my way just to skill those (I/E doing w/e to help kill faster)
For Main skills skilling should not be a chore, it should come naturally while exping while doing some events on the side. I was not cap in smn skill in the day but I was close and after i got relic +1 SMN mitts it became cap shortly after that even though SMN was not my main thing to be (However at 75 I played it a lot more before caps since it was abyssea > BLU and WAR, with a side of SAM to now BRD)
To the other guy, they told us to stop arguing so i am. All I am going to say is even 8 hours of nothing but skilling up for 3 days IS UNRELEASABLE. If you can sit and play a game for longer then 4 hours a day it means no life. (8 work, 8 sleep, 8 game hours is no life lol I have no idea why or how 'few' means 'only' less then 10 hours a day.) -
10-04-2012, 04:28 PMMirageNo, I would not say that it is simply "some" that feel one way,and "some" that feel the other way. To be more precise, it's more like 95% of the posters feel that it is too slow, while a very very small minority feels that it is not to bad, probably because they already have the skill capped the "slow way" and don't want to see newbies cap it faster than when they did it. When forwarding our concerns to the developers, I hope you let them know the very big difference in number of agreeing players compared to disagreeing players. I also hope you forwarded the strong, logical arguments of the players in the process.Quote:
Originally Posted by Okipuit
I am sorry, but I really can not understand why the same people that increased parrying skill-up rates over 20 times would not consider increasing summoning skill up rate a measly 2-3 times. It simply does not make any sense to me. It feels as if the developers have never actually tested out how slow certain skills level up in pratice, only through looking at the numbers in their code.
I suggest that one of the developers create a warrior, put it at 250 axe skill, then try to skill it up to 350, utilizing dual wielding and the appropriate targets for skilling up that level of skill. After that, I suggest that the same developer create a summoner, give it 250 summoning skill, then attempt to skill this up to 350.
I apologize on beforehand for psychological trauma this developer might develop.
Of course, I know that this would never happen, because the developers have more important things to spend their time at work on than performing blood pacts their entire work day for a week straight. -
10-04-2012, 05:51 PMHashmalumOkipuit, I hope that you didn't report to the dev team that "some of the posters feel that raising your summoning skill feels slow while others feel that the rate is not too bad", because that's deeply misleading. It makes it sound like a 50/50 or similar sort of deal rather nearly two dozen on one hand versus a couple of people who can't even advance a meaningful and coherent argument on the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Okipuit
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10-04-2012, 06:48 PMMirage
I also do not like the word "feel", when there isn't so much feeling involved, but instead hard statistics.
Just line up all combat and magic skills and look at maximum skill-up rate per X amount of time. It is impossible to not notice that a few of these skills will have a vastly lower amount of skill gained per hour than others, and these skills are summoning and enhancing.
Therefore, it is not a feeling, it is a fact. -
10-04-2012, 08:25 PMCamiieNo you didn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zubis
I never saw this supposed "high" rate of skillups against enemies. They may think they set it high, but it doesn't seem to be showing in actual gameplay.Quote:
Originally Posted by Okipuit
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10-04-2012, 10:16 PMAbbyluI call BS. If I spend 2 hours killing 3 mobs with nothing BUT bp's and get 1.2 skill ups, even with using skill food, and that earring I spent months and months farming for, then that skill up rate is far from "set high".Quote:
Originally Posted by Okipuit
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10-04-2012, 10:20 PMMirage
But of course, we'll never get another reply addressing our concerns about the first reply. This thread is probably tagged as "solved, do not reply again" by SE now.
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10-04-2012, 11:21 PMVoldOki I am going to give the dev team the benefit of the doubt on this one and say they feel they are speaking 100% truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Okipuit
But I'm here to inform you to inform them that there's an error in their coding because in practice that's damn wrong. I suggest they or one of you reps spend a measly half a hour trying to skill up a character using BP only. If they come out of it feeling it's working as intended, well, that's all I can ask for but the RNG happened to be heavily HEAVILY in their favor during that 30 minutes >.>;
You got freebie tester help 24 hours a day. Hell you got freebie tester help PAYING you 24 hours a day. I strongly suggest you take advantage of that more often than rarely.
You know what I want to see for that next magical Job Adjustment stage? Old everything being fixed, rather than a slew of new crap. Because every new thing you add is another current and future priority over fixing the older problems.