The Flame Geode Thread...... Again.

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Originally Posted by Ophannus

You aren't forced to rely on weather, you can do fire day as he said. Just like with weather/day trials, you could do weather(counts as 5 kills; geodes common drop) or day(counts as 1 kill; geodes rarer drop). I've made 3 99 STR magians and it's not a big deal.

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Firesday is the only reliable way of doing these weapons, as opposed to the others when you can go on any time and have the weather needed. It is a big deal, Magian weapons are supposed to be casual weapons. I don't consider 4M casual for a single weapon. God forbid ya need to make multiple STR weapons.

Regardless, only thing I've gotten from the Com Reps/Devs is they a) don't give a damn or b) have no idea how their own game works.

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Originally Posted by Ophannus

You aren't forced to rely on weather, you can do fire day as he said. Just like with weather/day trials, you could do weather(counts as 5 kills; geodes common drop) or day(counts as 1 kill; geodes rarer drop). I've made 3 99 STR magians and it's not a big deal.

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Missed the point cause you only skimmed the response. When a person has to move around their daily life schedule to get kills on days only to expedite the process then it is going against that lovely screen you click away before logging in.

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I think that rearranging my sleep or rushing to get home, or leave late is a significant impact on real life. It goes against being even remotely player friendly to people in similar situations I am in. By your reasoning they should remove weather dependencies all together so that they only drop on days since that is all a player should need to complete these weapons. Extreme redirection, yes, but if it doesn't apply to other geodes to this extent then it shouldn't be an excuse as to why they can't amend fire weather occurrences. This doesn't just apply to the geode stage, but all stages period since there should be the option to work on it even if you can't manage to get on when the day is up.

There shouldn't be an absolute reliance for casual or time restrictive players to have to rely on AH to get the items when others are steadily, and constantly, raising the price. Not when similar rare weathers actually do occur more frequently due to being able to go into instanced areas, or just hang out in Mire/xarc(s)/vhazl(s)/glacier(s) and still complete these on a more casual play time.

Are the devs not seeing the issue here?? When I'm doing a LS event, and people scream out "Flame geode!" , something is wrong....

We are not complaining about the price of the geodes, we are complaining of the bad drop mechanics, because since fire weather is non existant... you have to farm on the day, and drop rate is much lower on the day. It's so low in fact, that doing 2 STR axes for my bst mule, has netted me 6 geodes, total, and im on the stages asking for 15 x2...


casual players? just ...no.
ugh...

Go do dynamis for 2 days and profit. Yeah they're rare, but who cares. 4 mil seems worth it for that good of a weapon. Grind it out. Se won't do anything about this for along time. I finished 2 str weapons in a week. Just doing fire days and an occasional dyna. This is really nothing to be complaining about. You have the option to buy.

Guys~ SE said its "Balanced". this thread is over~ lol

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Originally Posted by Camate

Howdy,

Sorry I would like to correct what was posted slightly (edited previous post, was my error!). It is not that case that light and dark weather are rarer than fire weather, but it is the case that they are rare weather occurrences as well, yet the prices for those respective geodes are not expensive like that of Flame Geodes.

Also, as noted in the thread already, geodes also drop on the respective elemental day and the chance for them to drop on each day is balanced.

With that said, please continue to give your feedback and we will be sure to pass it on. Sorry for the mix up!

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Ah Camate not quite so. If it were the this way I would not have a bag of 50+ dark light ice thunder earth wind and water geodes (after making staffs for fire ice thunder wind and water) and still only have 7 flame geodes. Especially when a bulk of my fighting is on fireday/weather due to trials.

I want to believe you Camate REALLY I DO. But the proof is in the pudding.

I hope SE neglects the rest of the game JUST TO PLEASE a bunch of casual failures who can't be assed to farm the gil for geodes. SOA? Push that back to 2020 please. The UI update? PLEASE don't even give it to us, just trash that idea.

What's more important here is making flame geodes for lazy people!

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Originally Posted by Kitkat

I think that rearranging my sleep or rushing to get home, or leave late is a significant impact on real life. It goes against being even remotely player friendly to people in similar situations I am in. By your reasoning they should remove weather dependencies all together so that they only drop on days since that is all a player should need to complete these weapons. Extreme redirection, yes, but if it doesn't apply to other geodes to this extent then it shouldn't be an excuse as to why they can't amend fire weather occurrences. This doesn't just apply to the geode stage, but all stages period since there should be the option to work on it even if you can't manage to get on when the day is up.

There shouldn't be an absolute reliance for casual or time restrictive players to have to rely on AH to get the items when others are steadily, and constantly, raising the price. Not when similar rare weathers actually do occur more frequently due to being able to go into instanced areas, or just hang out in Mire/xarc(s)/vhazl(s)/glacier(s) and still complete these on a more casual play time.

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Why would you be rearranging your sleep schedule or rushing to get home? Does SE require you to finish your weapon in a certain time frame? No. Take as long as you want. You chose to do those things that alter your real life situation/schedule, not SE. You wanted the item faster, SE didn't force you to create it so fast. Casual playing is just that, casual. Don't try to act like you're a casual player when you're willing to make unnecessary sacrifices for a video game, then blame the creators for making you do so. Can't make the next firesday? Wait for the next, or the next, or the next, etc.

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Originally Posted by Yarly

I hope SE neglects the rest of the game JUST TO PLEASE a bunch of casual failures who can't be assed to farm the gil for geodes. SOA? Push that back to 2020 please. The UI update? PLEASE don't even give it to us, just trash that idea.

What's more important here is making flame geodes for lazy people!

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I think you mean employed ppl with friends and family outside of game who look at their inventory and wonder why they have so many of 7 types of geodes and so little of 1, not to mention the one they need, when they are mostly fighting on that day/weather.

Oh wait sorry. Voices from the real world can be scary. My bad.

The rate of Light (outside of Nyzul Isle) and Fire weather occurence compared to all other weathers in this game is unbalanced. Why the developers haven't looked into balancing it yet?

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Originally Posted by Yarly

I hope SE neglects the rest of the game JUST TO PLEASE a bunch of casual failures who can't be assed to farm the gil for geodes. SOA? Push that back to 2020 please. The UI update? PLEASE don't even give it to us, just trash that idea.

What's more important here is making flame geodes for lazy people!

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Making a STR Magian actually shows that a player isn't lazy since, ya know, they can only really do it on Firesdays. Meaning, they're not getting the +5 weather bonus.

Also, tweaking the drop rates and/or fire weather is just sooooo much work, right?

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

With that said, increasing the drop rate for these would only be for convenience purposes. If you have any specific examples as to how Flame Geodes drop rates are not balanced versus other elements, please let us know and we can submit them for consideration.

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Don't know if its exactly what your asking but I just spent a whole day IRL farming the Smithy's Torque in Ifrit's Cauldron. An active volcano yet when I left the only geodes was missing was Flame. and the one I had the most of was Aqua. this is because it was raining about 50% of the time I spent in the zone. and for some reason double rain beats fires day. its an Active volcano why is this happening?

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Originally Posted by Mostfowl

I think you mean employed ppl with friends and family outside of game who look at their inventory and wonder why they have so many of 7 types of geodes and so little of 1, not to mention the one they need, when they are mostly fighting on that day/weather.

Oh wait sorry. Voices from the real world can be scary. My bad.

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Are you trying to imply that I'm unemployed or that employed people don't have time to play FFXI in ways they don't want to play it? I happen to be both a university student and a part of the workforce. That really doesn't leave much time for FFXI for me, probably less time than you have, if you even have a job.

Making gil is a part of the game, sorry if that doesn't suit your play style but that's almost as stupid as buying a game for the mac and trying to run it on your PC or vice-versa. Making 4million gil really only takes about 4-5 hours of your time and you can login to do it whenever your life allows you to.

Join a cruor party or make one yourself (since this is an MMORPG and interaction with other players is unavoidable) and then turn the cruor into gil. Then buy the geodes. It would have taken you much longer than that to farm all the flame geodes yourself even IF SE decided to add perpetual fire weather in every zone in the game.

If you don't like farming for gil, I'm sure you know how else to get gil fairly quickly since you seem to be siding with the group of people who are employed.

Insulting people to get your point across is very pathetic and makes you look like an idiot when you find out that I didn't just call people lazy to insult them.

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Looking at weather frequency versus cost, dark and light weather is also rare, yet the price of these geodes are not very expensive. Also, there isn't a difference between the rate of obtaining Snow and Flame geodes that would cause a difference of 80x the cost.

With that said, increasing the drop rate for these would only be for convenience purposes. If you have any specific examples as to how Flame Geodes drop rates are not balanced versus other elements, please let us know and we can submit them for consideration.

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The RATE of obtaining geodes is the same for each geode, DURING THE RIGHT CONDITIONS. But those right conditions are NOT the same for each geode. Snow Geodes can be gotten in areas with 95% blizzards over the year, while Flame Geodes aren't even hitting 5%. So the rate isn't the issue, it's the conditions for that rate to occur.

What about changing the weather in Ru'Aun Gardens so it is affected by killing elementals? Kill fire elementals to increase the chance for fire weather to occur the next day, up to 12.5%. You could even have NM elementals/avatars spawn during those maxed weather conditions, which drop geodes or avatarites!
Weather science for fun and profit!

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Also, there isn't a difference between the rate of obtaining Snow and Flame geodes that would cause a difference of 80x the cost.

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In the Northland areas, there is almost constant Ice or Dark weather, more often Ice I believe. Fire is rare, much more rare than a near constant Ice effect. This has a massive effect on prices, as anyone can easily go farm a ton of Snow Geodes, where as Flame, you must camp, and wait for the rare chance of the weather popping up for you to farm them, and can be for a very limited time.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Howdy,

Sorry I would like to correct what was posted slightly (edited previous post, was my error!). It is not that case that light and dark weather are rarer than fire weather, but it is the case that they are rare weather occurrences as well, yet the prices for those respective geodes are not expensive like that of Flame Geodes.

Also, as noted in the thread already, geodes also drop on the respective elemental day and the chance for them to drop on each day is balanced.

With that said, please continue to give your feedback and we will be sure to pass it on. Sorry for the mix up!

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So because Light and Dark are semi-rare as well they should be classed in the same league as Flame, seriously?

Do you know why they're cheap? They're rarely sold. Unless you're doing a Curing Staff or Dark SMN one, they are NOT useful, mixed with the fact they're common weather when compared to fire.

Polish the crap as much as you want, it's still crap.

Want Dark - Go to Beaucedine [s] or Xarcabard [s].... Done
Want Light - Go to Nyzul Isle.... Done
Want Fire - Erm...... wait for Firesday cause you aren't seeing no weather friend.

If you want to bring the prices down increase fire weather to a reasonable amount and don't make geodes craftable anymore; sure fire weather is the rarest of the bunch but Ifrites don't cost nearly as much because you can't craft them... this is probably going to upset crafters (and farmers) of course; but to be honest this was a bad decision to begin with being able to craft a magian trial requirement from a rare drop geode into a desirable and more importantly profitable item.

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Greetings,

As mentioned, the price of Flame Geodes is comparatively quite high due to its popularity for creating items such as Flame Gems/Pyrosoul Rings and completing Magian Trials.

Looking at weather frequency versus cost, dark and light weather is also rare, yet the price of these geodes are not very expensive. Also, there isn't a difference between the rate of obtaining Snow and Flame geodes that would cause a difference of 80x the cost.

With that said, increasing the drop rate for these would only be for convenience purposes. If you have any specific examples as to how Flame Geodes drop rates are not balanced versus other elements, please let us know and we can submit them for consideration.

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Camate Okipuit, both light and dark weather are common in certain areas which leads to higher crystal / geode production on them. Several areas for dark weather and limbus for light weather.

Fire weather on the other hand is incredibly rare as there is no area that it appears often in. The four area's that you will see it have competing weather patterns that tend to override fire weather. Kuzultz and Mount Z are dust storms (earth weather) that can preclude fire weather from happening, even when it's in season. Cape Terrigan has heavy winds that tend to preclude heat waves, and the jungle has rainstorms that do the same.

We're asking SE to raise the likeliness of fire weather in some of these areas to be the same as Earth / Wind / Water is and to have it be possible all year round. This will immediately fix everyone's problem.

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Sorry was tired

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Originally Posted by saevel

Camate, both light and dark weather are common in certain areas which leads to higher crystal / geode production on them. Several areas for dark weather and limbus for light weather.

Fire weather on the other hand is incredibly rare as there is no area that it appears often in. The four area's that you will see it have competing weather patterns that tend to override fire weather. Kuzultz and Mount Z are dust storms (earth weather) that can preclude fire weather from happening, even when it's in season. Cape Terrigan has heavy winds that tend to preclude heat waves, and the jungle has rainstorms that do the same.

We're asking SE to raise the likeliness of fire weather in some of these areas to be the same as Earth / Wind / Water is and to have it be possible all year round. This will immediately fix everyone's problem.

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Camate?! WHERE!? :eek: I only saw Okipuit

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Originally Posted by Yarly

I hope SE neglects the rest of the game JUST TO PLEASE a bunch of casual failures who can't be assed to farm the gil for geodes. SOA? Push that back to 2020 please. The UI update? PLEASE don't even give it to us, just trash that idea.

What's more important here is making flame geodes for lazy people!

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Take your false dilemmas elsewhere. To a forum where the user base is younger than 15 years on average, perhaps. Maybe they would fall for it.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

Take your false dilemmas elsewhere. To a forum where the user base is younger than 15 years on average, perhaps. Maybe they would fall for it.

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I found it funny because its likely just changing a few numbers around in the code at that. Couldn't possibly take them even a day to do this, probably not even a few hours at that. If these kind of changes make expansions and all that get pushed back even a week, there is a problem with how a company is doing things.

Yes, that was more or less my point :p.

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Originally Posted by Okipuit

Greetings,

As mentioned, the price of Flame Geodes is comparatively quite high due to its popularity for creating items such as Flame Gems/Pyrosoul Rings and completing Magian Trials.

Looking at weather frequency versus cost, dark and light weather is also rare, yet the price of these geodes are not very expensive. Also, there isn't a difference between the rate of obtaining Snow and Flame geodes that would cause a difference of 80x the cost.

With that said, increasing the drop rate for these would only be for convenience purposes. If you have any specific examples as to how Flame Geodes drop rates are not balanced versus other elements, please let us know and we can submit them for consideration.

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How can you say this with a straight face? Here's the average price on Leviathan for magian trial items for the most popular trials:

Strength (fire)
Flame Geode: 70k
Ifritite: 1k

Evasion (wind) <- note that most people make 2 of these for dual wielding jobs (THF, NIN, DNC)
Breeze Geode: 20k
Garudite: 20k

Are you seriously trying to imply that the Goldsmiths are screwing over people who are working on fire trials? If that's the case, maybe something should be done to alleviate this. However, I think whoever gave you this information is full of shit.

As others have noted, the Cure Potency trial is the only light trial being done (Light Geodes 10-20k, Carbites 1k), and only crazy people like myself who are serious about their mage jobs do the dark damage and/or accuracy trials (I did both, 1k for each item). As it stands now, I can't justify finishing off the fire damage staff I started before I took a break last year because the cost of obtaining geodes just isn't worth it, considering how infrequently I focus on using fire spells.

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Originally Posted by Yarly

I hope SE neglects the rest of the game JUST TO PLEASE a bunch of casual failures who can't be assed to farm the gil for geodes. SOA? Push that back to 2020 please. The UI update? PLEASE don't even give it to us, just trash that idea.

What's more important here is making flame geodes for lazy people!

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A change would take the developers no more then 15 mins to introduce. So big fail on your part.

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Originally Posted by Mirage

Yes, that was more or less my point :p.

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Sorry :x seemed more like a :mad: post instead of a :rolleyes: post.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Howdy,

Sorry I would like to correct what was posted slightly (edited previous post, was my error!). It is not that case that light and dark weather are rarer than fire weather, but it is the case that they are rare weather occurrences as well, yet the prices for those respective geodes are not expensive like that of Flame Geodes.

Also, as noted in the thread already, geodes also drop on the respective elemental day and the chance for them to drop on each day is balanced.

With that said, please continue to give your feedback and we will be sure to pass it on. Sorry for the mix up!

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So by balanced, then one would assumed that if one were to farm in a single zone spreading over several in-game day without any weather occurance, then one should get pretty much the SAME EXACT NUMBER of different elemental geodes. But the fact remains that this isn't necesary the case at all.

Please give us the 'Balanced Drop Rate' of these geodes in the same exact zone, the same exact mobs without any weather occurrance. Because frankly, I dont think ANYONE posting in here would buy the whole 'BALANCED' agrument at all.

Get on Thief, go to Abyssea on firesday, put on RR Omnipotent and GH atma and fight some easy mobs... it's really not _that_ hard to get geodes... of any kind.

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Originally Posted by Vivivivi

Get on Thief, go to Abyssea on firesday, put on RR Omnipotent and GH atma and fight some easy mobs... it's really not _that_ hard to get geodes... of any kind.

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When I kill on firesday I will kill about 50+ mobs in abyessa and average about 1 flame geode. Yet, I can farm during a 10 minute window of weather and walk out with 5 geodes in that 10 minutes. So for a weapon that is 55 hours of farming for the needed supply of flame geodes to finish a weapon. It isn't "hard" but it is not acceptable especially considering SE worships the God of Balance.

Flame geodes dont need higher droprate, only thing what could be usefull would be more fire weather in the zones, this would benefit the trials itself and also those who want to farm their geodes. But seriously... this whole thread is so useless... thats basic economy why flame geodes are so pricy. Fire weapons and Pyrosoulrings are all high in demand, so price is high. Live with it. If you want a strong magian weapon, work for it and dont expect it to fall in your hands in 5 min.

Dev/Community team should just ignore QQ-threads like this.

if you want to farm flame geodes farm them outside abyssea on fireday in a zone where no weather is forcasted killing low EP mobs. This way you wont get any avatites... it might take some days, but you get it done.

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Originally Posted by Mindi

Flame geodes dont need higher droprate, only thing what could be usefull would be more fire weather in the zones, this would benefit the trials itself and also those who want to farm their geodes. But seriously... this whole thread is so useless... thats basic economy why flame geodes are so pricy. Fire weapons and Pyrosoulrings are all high in demand, so price is high. Live with it. If you want a strong magian weapon, work for it and dont expect it to fall in your hands in 5 min.

Dev/Community team should just ignore QQ-threads like this.

if you want to farm flame geodes farm them outside abyssea on fireday in a zone where no weather is forcasted killing low EP mobs. This way you wont get any avatites... it might take some days, but you get it done.

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So with these weapons tailored to casual players, and casual players maybe only able to play an hour here and there, you find it ok to take 2 months to farm the items? not very casual now. Also, considering "Balance" I paid about 300k to upgrade my fire weapon, new people start playing, they need to pay 4 million. How is that "Balance"

Face it, SE were not smart to use geodes as crafting items and people like you need a reality check to realize there are people in this world that actually have priorities that are not game related.

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Originally Posted by Vivivivi

Get on Thief, go to Abyssea on firesday, put on RR Omnipotent and GH atma and fight some easy mobs... it's really not _that_ hard to get geodes... of any kind.

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Originally Posted by xbobx

When I kill on firesday I will kill about 50+ mobs in abyessa and average about 1 flame geode. Yet, I can farm during a 10 minute window of weather and walk out with 5 geodes in that 10 minutes. So for a weapon that is 55 hours of farming for the needed supply of flame geodes to finish a weapon. It isn't "hard" but it is not acceptable especially considering SE worships the God of Balance.

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Clearly if he used better atma he could kill faster and get 1 more fire geode!

Clearly, some people just hate the idea that casuals play their game.

Do things wrong on your time, don't tell others how to do it wrong with you.

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Originally Posted by Camate

Howdy,

Sorry I would like to correct what was posted slightly (edited previous post, was my error!). It is not that case that light and dark weather are rarer than fire weather, but it is the case that they are rare weather occurrences as well, yet the prices for those respective geodes are not expensive like that of Flame Geodes.

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The oppertunity for a drop (weather) isnt the issue. Its the fact the flame geodes are in demand about say... 100,000% more then light or dark. Thats the reason they are drastly increaed in price compared to the others.
Asking for higher drops, or more fire weather is nothing more then a way to combate that initial problem.

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Originally Posted by xbobx

When I kill on firesday I will kill about 50+ mobs in abyessa and average about 1 flame geode. Yet, I can farm during a 10 minute window of weather and walk out with 5 geodes in that 10 minutes. So for a weapon that is 55 hours of farming for the needed supply of flame geodes to finish a weapon. It isn't "hard" but it is not acceptable especially considering SE worships the God of Balance.

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Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz

Clearly if he used better atma he could kill faster and get 1 more fire geode!

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Thats actually true. I've did a CW burn in aby mis before for a full windsday. (While i wasn't their specifically for geodes, i did make note) The entire game day aga'in non stop, i only had one single geode drop.

Strange I've really never had an issue with finishing up Flame Geodes but then again I'm a very, very patient person. The price tho I admit is nuts on these thins.

Reeeeeeeeeeeeeealllllly. The people playing an hour a day expect to be able to go on and farm stuff in less than an hour on FFXI? I think you need to move on to another game or suck it up and farm gil. There is no reason this should be changed.

There's no reason fire weather shouldn't become more common when other weather types have zones that have frequent to near permanent weather.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

Reeeeeeeeeeeeeealllllly. The people playing an hour a day expect to be able to go on and farm stuff in less than an hour on FFXI? I think you need to move on to another game or suck it up and farm gil. There is no reason this should be changed.

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No, they want zones that actually have fire weather longer than 1~2 minutes. This would HELP with Fire Geodes, Trials and the like. There is no negative to this.

make fire weather predominant in volcano zones (ifrit's, mt z, etc)

and/or

change the flame geode recipe.