Yeah the lock animation is at least 15 sec, then if you just add the time from the intitial entry (~30s) plus the the ~5 min lock between floors plus the necessary 15x 1 minute running you are left with 9'30 to perform the action from 15 floors.
NEO Nyzul 2.0
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06-02-2012, 07:35 PMMarkovChain
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06-02-2012, 08:10 PMKaisha
If they really want to make it viable without relying on powder boot spam in addition to getting only code-lamp floors as far as lamp floors go, they'd probably have to do one or ten of the following.
- 4 minute wait timer in the lobby independent of the 30min timer within the zone, like Legion already does
- Add an option in the starting lobby to make rune automatically select ??? floor jump upon objective completed (aside from when you hit the floor you lock your run to, in which case you manually exit).
The current system pretty much depends one of your party members (preferably a SCH) camping at the lamp since you cannot afford time to run back and hit one upon objective complete, especially with how big some of the generated floors can be
- Either remove order lamp floors or number them so legit players are on the same playing field as the cheaters for that since they're pretty much guarantee a run failure when aiming for floor 100
- Reduce cooldown on timed lamps, since your run is pretty much boned if you mess it up due to 30 second wait to retry
- Bump the ??? jump to 3-floor hops minimum so we can complain about back2back 3s instead of back2back 2s.
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06-02-2012, 08:11 PMGokku
This is for you pchan. ive been back on ffxi less then 2 months have full NI2.0 gear for both my DD jobs beat and cleared all of VW got every single body drop ive wanted from anything in VW and funded1/3rd of my relic weapon and ive done 3 dyna runs total. you have.... sat on a forum and cry'd about content you cant do 3rd party or not i got my 12.95$ outta FFXI ... have you?
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06-02-2012, 08:30 PMMarkovChain
I'll be suggesting the following to the devs : do a statistical analysis by examining logs, and find out the number of successful F100 nyzul runs that had "lamp order floor" in the previous floor where people went 1/1 on guessing correctly. 100% ?
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06-02-2012, 08:45 PMGokkuor quit bitching and request they remove lamps?!Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkovChain
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06-02-2012, 09:30 PMDemon6324236It would be nice to remove if nothing more than to take away cheating. If you do it or not I don't know or care. I trust you not to lie and cheat, so Ill say you don't cheat. However if people who DO cheat use this to get the upper hand on others, take it away, then everyones on even ground, or at least more so than today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gokku
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06-02-2012, 09:36 PMwish12ozNo it isn't, lol. My PC takes 8~ seconds total to click a lamp, zone up, and be able to start moving, which is just barely over 2 minutes for 16 floors. Maybe you should run FFXI on something thats less than 8 years old if you're taking so much longer than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vitus
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06-02-2012, 10:19 PMscaevolaIf it came down to spending $500+ on a new rig to clear Nyzul I'd just pay somebody else to clear it for me~Quote:
Originally Posted by wish12oz
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06-02-2012, 10:22 PMscaevolaHe's saying it's impossible without cheats because people who've completed it openly admit to cheating, you doofus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
I encourage everyone saying Nyzul's fine, like I did Kaerin several weeks ago when she claimed a WAR could hit Floor 100 solo with full buffs, to post videos of their dat-swapless, fillmode-less, multiple-attempts-to-figure-out-lamp-order Floor 100 clears that they're getting enough to be 15/15 on gear like six weeks ago.
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06-03-2012, 12:59 AMDemon6324236
Wait wait wait, I'm a doofus? If someone thinks an event can only be done via cheating because people who beat it said they cheated then ok. Saying you cheated to do something does not in turn make something impossible without cheating. It simply means people were to weak or unskilled to do it the correct way if it is indeed possible without them.
Do I think its possible to win without cheating? Yes, I do. Would I be stupid enough to think a WAR at any level of gear, skill, or luck, with any number of buffs, would be able to do this event solo? Hell... Fucking... No... People as are now, saying this is impossible without cheats, so the chances it can be done without them, is less likely. But saying that WAR can solo this is stupid, and stupider people might believe it. I need no proof to see this is false. Just as I need no proof to say no player in this game will be able to solo NNI. You could go in with 5 buffers, and I still think you would make it no where on any one job doing all work except buffing. But you want to know the main reason, 100% why that part makes no sense?... LAMPS! Yes, wonderful lamps, if you got nothing to do with lamps, time you spend searching every path for specific mobs would kill you, time walking back to go up would kill you. Time in general, would kill you!
I think it is very possible to win this event without cheats, if it wasn't, I don't think SE would have released it. In recent times we have been able to actually do everything they have given us even if it took us time to work it out. That being said, I also argue the ideals of what SE is doing now, they are not moving correctly, they basically flip us off and move with their ideas, which is as stupid as it is insane on their part. They have made FFXIV cheaper than FFXI so far as I know, so I don't think they want to kill this game, as it will make them more money from what I understand. But not listening to us is doing that, so if thats their goal or not, whos to say. If they released more unbeatable, or incredibly insanely difficult content, then they don't want to fix it, then we cant really do much. At this point they seem bent on ignoring us, we say to fix things, they leave them be and we can do nothing about it... -
06-03-2012, 01:25 AMMarkovChainEven though initially they didn't allow stoppers ? Yeah they have totally no clue of what they are doing, legion is more proof of this. I swear nobody is doing legion or Nyzul and that's all they achieved year. At least you have to admit that in both cases the first release was plainly impossible.Quote:
Originally Posted by Demon6324236
We managed to completely change their mind about VW tickets ( tickets being r/e never came to their mind as being stupid, yet everyone pretty much agreed to this). Just have to complain more because everyone but a few cheaters (and we do know where they come from) that worry about their status gear is aknowledging the problem. -
06-03-2012, 02:52 AMDemon6324236What they did "solve" one of many problems we have with VW, and listened to 1 problem they had with NNI, neither actually fixes these 2 things, they are simply small adjustments they think will shut us up. Seems it worked in some cases, people seem happier tickets were "fixed" still doesn't help people after Athos, Rubeus, or the Ogier sets. Also doesn't help anyone with any part of their gear that DOESN'T glow. Nyzul they fixed some, yes, but still people complain, and still some do think its impossible. Point being they don't actually have this fixed... They only fix some of it. I also said SE wasn't being smart, they are killing the game making them more money, how is that in any way a good idea? You don't stop a good product or degrade it so that people will start picking up your other products, thats just stupid. I understand SE is messing everything up, I'm also saying their ignorance of the player base isn't helping them. I only say they wouldn't release content that is impossible to beat because with all the things they do now to give us power, I have to think we are doing something wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkovChain
For instance of this, how they broke VW. Enmity is where I have to think VW was broken. They don't want to change Enmity, so the tank, cant tank, so others have to tank, mobs hit to hard for the DDs to live, so they need temps. Temps will not last forever, so they need to add a way to recharge, procs in abyssea helped drops, use that as a reason for both, now you have temp refills & extra drop rates. You now have VW, this is what it is, any DD can tank, you use temps to live off of, and tada, its done. This is in my mind how VW went from normal battles against large NMs that were hard, into a TP/proc/temp spam that it is today.
On NNI, they looked at the old Nyzul, how can we make this harder?
Lets make them have to climb more than before with less stooping points.
No, thats to simple to call new, because they can already do 10-15 floors at a time now. Maybe we can make the mobs harder?
We cant do that though, then we have to add temps for people to live, and then things get to messy live VW did, and we know how much we get yelled at for that.
Maybe make them not have to stop, they have to do it all in 1 go.
Are you insane?!
Nah, just make it so they can hit a random button.
Random button? You mean like all the luck we had setup in VW?
Exactly, make it so they have to get lucky to hit good floors, like they did to get good gear. Then we can keep them playing longer too because of all the luck involved!
That... is brilliant!
And thus, NNI was born.
Obviously not exactly what happened, but seems like how it went to me, they couldn't really make new content so they make old content new again by painting it a different color, giving a new button, and taking away everything that made it doable in the first place. -
06-03-2012, 04:03 AMNeisan_Quetz
Enmity was broken at 75, 80, 85, 90, 95, and 99. This is nothing new when it comes to enmity.
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06-03-2012, 04:23 AMDemon6324236No but at abyssea stages we could live through the evil attacks of mobs hitting us for 300+ tank or not. Outside of abyssea, we get hit hard, and fast, you can easily be 1shot by some VWNMs if your without PDT/MDT gear. My point was coming out of abyssea it was more apparent that enmity would not save a party of DDs from the attacks dealing way to much damage. A PLD with Aegis or Ochain can survive nicely on them, however past that, you die.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neisan_Quetz
My idea is just they went from the idea of the tank, tanking, to everything tanking, because they final noticed after all this time, tanking via enmity, isn't working anymore, because they fucked it up. Tanking via fantatics, works, and works better for them to be lazy on the enmity system in the end as well. Why fix PLD, when you can just make everything that can pop out nice numbers of damage tank, and let the PLD hold the pets. -
06-03-2012, 05:03 AMMarkovChain
Tanking via enmity has never worked >_>.
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06-03-2012, 05:39 AMuser201108211515its all about 3rd pt tools
I'm pretty sure sakima uses spell cast so to say hes not 3rd pt tools his way through NNI.. is not a stretch... But I do know for a fact people in his LS are hacking it.
I was in a run with his #2 sac holder watchn him speed hack, spot leader mobs from the rune when we pop up. calln out lamp orders.
So dont let his leet attitude fool you. He migh not personally be cheating nni but the people he groups with prolly are.
People love to deny reality because its "just a game"
The reality is. 98% of anyone with more then 1-2 floor 100 gear cheated or leeched off cheaters to do so.
All we can do as real players that dont cheat... Complain. File reports with special task force daily. Do not let SE think they can ignore us. Do not let the cheaters win.
Eventually SE will have to ban thease people like they did to the salvage dupers or else lose the respect and $ of the actual people that are keeping this game alive.
And bad news for the people "not cheating" but leeching off cheaters.
I knew people that never got salvage gear but got baned because they were in salvage runs where gear was duped.
Its over due though. The server trash has been piling up for a while now.
Time to take out the trash SE.
choco blinking to buy relics in 2 weeks
fish bot heaven in beaucedine
and now a brand new event as some sort of reward for the players that suck at the game and have to play on easy mode.
SE has things very backwards atm and its our job as real players to let them know they are making mistakes. Otherwise they wont care to do anything.
I dont think the event needs to be changed beyond requiring 2 schs or its a loss. Or 2 low floor jumps = no chance for floor 100.
The real issue is how people dont want to try unless they have hacks in some way.
Or more to the point.. the real problem with this game has always been PC players and how 98% of them refuse to play the game by the rules. May be they dont care cauz its "just a game" or just suck at this easy game but for what ever reason they feel the need to ruin the game in every way they can. They do not deserve to be here if they only wish to hurt the game in the long run.
Remove PC support and like magic the problem with cheaters will be a non issue.
Even PC only servers would be nice. Then they can have all the fun in the world being on even ground with all the other people that have to play on easy mode.
The game is going to die if the "best" players are all cheating.
With out rules to follow and put limitations on people. We have no drive to do better. It will be pointless to play when they are all the same toons with the same gear using the same 3rd pt tools.
What a weak game to play.
Thats why PC players are and have always been a joke to the people that play by the rules. Cheating to win makes you good how? -
06-03-2012, 06:24 AMGokku
im not going to quote the above post but im going to respond to it with 0 trolling.
first off your an idiot. the main reason most pc users became cheaters is SE took what 5 years to release an widower? that's unacceptable. The definition of cheating in ffxi is anything other then vanilla full screen / windowed mode. now lets break down the most commonly used cheats.
Dat swaps: originally used to make some of the coolest and simple changes to the game , "sick of seeing destroyers" BOOM now ive got relic hth on and my pants make moogles fly out my ass. Effect on others : NONE bitch its only on my screen
Macros: fuck all this gear and only 6 lines and i have to hit 2-3 buttons to do anything... but wait windower macros 1 line fits all... holy shit they STILL haven't fixed that fucking issue after 10 years.
Effect on others: arguable, since it lets me play with all my gear and out preform others.
Plugins to windower:
chatmon: tells me when shit involving me happens if i stand up to piss "your being talked about" or "incoming tell" lets me know to check my log. Effect on others : NONE
Distance: Oh frogs charm @ 20yalms? thats cool se to bad a fucking yalms a made up term and you gave us no way of knowing it. yet again shit they should have added to the game day 1 if they are going to base gimics around it. Effect on others: bet your ass whms love not getting 1 shotted by AOE's.
the big cheats people are bitching about
lamp dat mods are no worse then the salvage mods that saved most salvage groups 5-15mins in ZR runs.
Flee botters: people are idiots and a decent amount got caught enough to get people to clear it without fleeing, and i can gladly state my group doesn't flee bot the shit.
Remove PC support and like magic the problem with cheaters will be a non issue.
i love how people are more focused on screwing the player base then idk FIXING THE GAME SO WE ARE ALL EQUAL
the things most people running even base windower are getting should have been in this game at least 7 years ago. -
06-03-2012, 06:29 AMDragoy><)))°€Best -- idea -- ever ! !! !Quote:
Originally Posted by user201108211515
Or not. :b
It might not even be profitable at all to keep the game going without the PC-users.
I, for one, never cheated and I only play on PC. Heck, I never even tried 'windower', nor any 'parsers' and yes, I am aware that many would say I will never be able to really get the best possible results without them. That's why they are called cheats: they give an unfair advantage.
Either way, I honestly think that the consoles are much more of a problem than cheating PC-users. Every game has cheaters, it's just how it goes. It's up to the developers and maintainers of a game to take care of them, preferably without means that affect the actual players in negative ways (sadly, most often the do).
They could also, I don't know, implement features that the players are requesting for (such as simple things them cheats do allow, which don't exactly break the game and so on). Granted, they are doing quite a bit in the near-future, which is fer sure interesting and highly anticipated. It's perhaps a little too late, though, and they are very much able to disappoint beyond all expectations.
Point being: please don't stack every PC-user into the same pile with them cheaters. ^^;
As for Nyzul Isle Uncharted Region particularly, it is way too luck-based indeed, and obviously this is where cheating provides quite a noticeable advantage. Sure, it probably is not impossible to clear it without cheating, but seriously:
- time-sink/random != fun
- random/luck != challenge
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06-03-2012, 07:05 AMuser201108211515
I said 98% lol I have to hope a few good eggs are among the rotten bunch...
To the other guy...
lol he says he wont troll n the very next line he calls me an idot. priceless lol
Justify it all you want. But in "reality" not following the rules is by default cheating.
its funny though. You say you "out preform others" when in reality it is a program that plays the game for you that is so awesome. It has very little to do with you. The fact that hiting 2 macros is hard mode for you. Sounds like you fail at an easy game. You need a crutch. A way to make the game easier for you. Hiting 1 button VS 2.. Just wow.. Thats lots of skill to hit 1 button.. And soooo hard to hit 2 buttons. Get real. The fact is people that rely on 3rd pt tools to play do it because they have to. They couldnt ever get anywhere by the rules. If you had to rely on your actual skill to play the game by the rules. You would have quit the game already. So dont be mad at me cauz you cant cut it. -
06-03-2012, 07:17 AMGokkucalling you an idiot does not make me a troll its a fact, your an idiot and have no idea what the hell your talking about. Also im far from mad , i have the gear its of no concern to me if you have or even get it, but i would love to see the player base as a whole move forward and succeeded at this event. were as you would rather crucify one aspect of the player base for your own convoluted reasoning. so that is why i state you are an idiot. your views are uneducated and your argument is counter productive.Quote:
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06-03-2012, 07:27 AMuser201108211515
I wouldnt have to say anything about PC players if they were not cheating.
You are a prime example of the bad PC players that honest players are forced to deal with on a daily basis.
Have fun pretending to be good ^^ The game sounds like alot of fun watching 3rd pt programs play for you.
Guess I should say grats on unlocking easy mode.
I'll be busy playn the game by the rules. Let me know if you ever step your skills up and decide to play the real game ^^
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06-03-2012, 07:31 AMMarkovChainadmitting cheating your nyzul gear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gokku
You are pretty ignorant as in each room was a group of 3 MMJ that always dropped what you needed.Quote:
lamp dat mods are no worse then the salvage mods that saved most salvage groups 5-15mins in ZR runs.
Asking to revamp nyzul so that it doesn't screw people not cheating is PRECISELY asking to fix the game.Quote:
i love how people are more focused on screwing the player base then idk FIXING THE GAME SO WE ARE ALL EQUAL
the things most people running even base windower are getting should have been in this game at least 7 years ago.
You poped in the thread explaining us that we are retarded for not having Nyzul gear, even though you had it already after being back for only 2 months. You explained us that you didn't cheat your way to the top. Now you rage against us because we are complaining about windower, aka complaining about something that should be in the game. In other words you rage because we point out the cheats you were using. So why even come here post explaining us your that much superior to me for having nyzul gear already ? -
06-03-2012, 08:07 AMMonchat
he is right though whn he says cheats (well light cheats like windower) were created to compensate the DEV's lack of playing the game. lol yeah, 10 year and still 6 macro lines, every year we get hundreds of gear.. come on..
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06-03-2012, 08:15 AMuser201108211515
Um.. just cauz you dont like the rules of the game... means you get to decide to change them?
SE decides the rules of the game. You either follow them.. or you are cheating them...
Complaining to SE about the problems is what should be done. Not breaking the rules cauz you feel like it or find ways to justify it.
I have played for 8 years on ps2/3 and xbox. The game works just fine. It is the PC players that ruin the game every chance they get. -
06-03-2012, 08:20 AMGokkuPlease find were i said i never used 3rd party. i do know ive done every run without a flee bot though.Quote:
Originally Posted by MarkovChain
actually floor 1 ZR 4 mobs 2 drop 2 don't per room that saved time on the 2nd floor 4 dropped 3 did more time saved.
and actually i poped in stating your retarded for trying to get sch nerfed instead of the zone itself fixed , then user pops in with nerf pc retardation. the people completing the event actually dont affect you at all, and thats something i dont think you get. But the RNG screwing you over has you so mad you'll take it out on anything but the people who are responsible for making NI2.0 shit and ridiculously hard to clear to console users.
and pchan , its only you who has been preaching from your high horse how useless VW is and now about how xyz is the issue with NI2.0. you dont seek to fix an issue you bitch about a complete irrelevant issue. -
06-03-2012, 08:22 AMGokkuQuote:
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ruin it how? please explain to me what having more macros and being able to see whats actually happening in the game does to ruin YOUR playing of it? or are you going to argue that gear swapping is cheating also. -
06-03-2012, 08:28 AMuser201108211515
You dont play by the rules. 3rd pt program of any kind is aginst the rules. If you cant understand that is cheating then you are just a waste of breath.
Again I say... Have fun pretending to be good. With out actual skill to play by the rules. That is the best you can do is pretend. -
06-03-2012, 08:31 AMuser201108211515
Really it shows how sad the game is and how little support honest players get.. When someone can come to the offical SE forums and brag about all the kewl cheats they use.
One would think that would be a good way to get baned. -
06-03-2012, 08:35 AMGokku
so your saying it doesn't affect you in any way and that your just bitching to bitch, thats what i figured.
ill give SE that , since everything is client side it really allows for endless expansion. much like ffxiv has stated they will allow user made content as long as it conforms to a set standard in version 2.0 , and that the content wouldn't be available to console users.
best part is you could report me to the task force until your blue in the face , nothing i use breaks game mechanics so i wont get banned ive got 0 infractions on my account and ive been using pc with cheats since idk 04? might have been 05. -
06-03-2012, 08:43 AMuser201108211515
lol easy mode player. You are in the way of real players with actual skill. You are a farse a pretender. You do not deserve to play a game if you cant follow the rules. That is how you affect other players.
You should go do something you are good at. Something you can take some pride in. Cheating to win is a failure no matter how you try to justify it. -
06-03-2012, 08:50 AMuser201108211515
Think of this as an amusement park ride. and 2/3 of the people in line are patiently waiting a turn as the rules dictate. but 1/3 of the people think they can just cut in line.
IDK about anyone else but I'm not gonna just stand there and watch it happen. I'm gonna call people out. I'm gonna complain to the management. And I'm going to tell the people cheating the rules that they should be ashamed of them selves.
Not even tryn to mention how your parrents failed to teach you right from wrong.
But the message you send to the kids playn this game is its ok to cheat to win.
The bad karma people like you spread is a plague. You cheat people and they feel the need to get even. get cheats too so they can compete. next thing ya know.. You cant find a LS or a group where some pretender is mocking people for not having the best gear and how only you and your 3rd pt tools are awesome cauz the parse says so.
You are a joke. -
06-03-2012, 08:55 AMNeisan_Quetz
Why are people still arguing about this shit, is this 2007?
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06-03-2012, 08:57 AMuser201108211515
for the same reason they are still cheating since 2004. SE allows them to. Real players have to complain or else nothing gets done.
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06-03-2012, 08:58 AMGokku
http://images.bluegartr.com/bucket/g...3e7f1b6423.jpg
oh man look at all them hacks! -
06-03-2012, 09:00 AMuser201108211515
idk why you are so mad. You play on easy mode. what more do you want?
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06-03-2012, 09:05 AMGokku
could you please define your understanding of the term "mad"
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06-03-2012, 09:08 AMuser201108211515
idk you are the one posting pointless screen shots and changing the subject cauz you are afraid of the answer.
Why do you play on easy mode if you are so good? -
06-03-2012, 09:32 AMNala
eh... thought easy mode was abyssea, playing efficiently is not easy mode, not getting one shoted by NM's for being in aoe range is not easy mode its just sensible.
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06-03-2012, 09:38 AMuser201108211515
but you see it is. You should know ranges just by looking at your in game radar. Shouldnt need a program to tell you something so simple. But thanks for another example of how easy, easy mode, really is ^^
*edit: As a console player I forget all the cheat codes PC players get. For those that might not know this person is refering to a 3rd pt tool that tells you how far away you are from a target. Good for avoiding AoE as he stated and for bad rangers to know where to stand to not have crappy range attacks. AKA:easy mode ^^ -
06-03-2012, 09:45 AMDreaminQuote:
Originally Posted by Gokku
Thanks for the laughes. Someone coming to the OF and admitting that they are using 3rd party cheats and there's nothing SE can do about it. That take balls...
...okay and brainless too tbh. But seriously, I can't stop laughing at this post. Thanks for the entertainment.