Monopolization of Dynamis by BSTs

One thing I do notice is dreams compared to cities is there is more bst's in dreams on average. Reason the TE move around and widescan make it vary eazy to find them. I have a suggestion make the TE dont move and always put them in one spot in dreams like they are in cities xarc, beauc. I personaly am more prone to use bst in dreams specificaly for this reason. Stop the moving of TE around especicialy in burb, that 20 can be a pain and make them always one spot. This alone would offer more stability for other jobs to be able to find the TE's effeciently and probably usher in more diffrent kinds jobs also.
Granted I do like doing various jobs in dreams even bst. Widescan simiply helps on those be it from rng or bst only 2 jobs unless you sub them to find TE.

equally if a bst isn't trying to hold multiple mobs and thus ruin my experience (I can do the same but I don't) then i leave him alone.

Let me know when charming comes back into play, then you can complain about me stealing your NM placeholder as a pet.

Bst was my first 75, full relic before the 75 cap was lifted. What I'm sick of is people like you giving bsts a bad rep just because someone insulted you once. We were a job that got crapped on for the longest time. Party invites? Never. Are we overpowered now? Sure, but it's been a long time coming, cause now everyone's asking for our help when they realize they still can't solo 1/2 the crap they want to.
Honestly, most of us career bsts already have all the stuff we want, all SE is gonna do now is hurt the people we're helping get what they want.

/emote puts his two cents down on the ground and walks away.

*Edit: Wife made a good point. The only real reason she leveled thf was because she had a good tank in my pets. And I drug her with me everywhere for her th. If anything, all you're doing is causing these people to level another mule for th and this have one more mob claimed against you. Build a better mouse trap..... and nature builds a better mouse.

did he really site full relic before 75 cap was raised as something important or noteworthy?

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Originally Posted by Crawlerbasher

I know what would ease up congestion in dynamis, would not get rid of the amateur bst problem, but would reduce the number of ppl in dynamis.

And that is to make dynamis a 3 day wait like it did before the dynamis changes.
I only do dynamis when upgrading relics to +1 and +2 or relic farming, or when I'm short on gil.
And since I prity much farm most of my ingredients (Unless I got lots of gil and I'm just been lazy) and make my own pet food and jugs.

But yes reducing wait time from 24 hours to 72 hours would help with congestion.

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Actually not a bad idea but instead of that I'd suggest it being a 72hrs before you could enter the same zone again, so you would have to cycle zones but you could still go in dynamis once every day.

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Originally Posted by Dart

did he really site full relic before 75 cap was raised as something important or noteworthy?

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Yeah, but that's better than advocating everyone should be a dick to every BST they find in Dynamis.

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Originally Posted by Dart

it's actually fairly easy to run bsts who hold multiple mobs out if you're with friends and have a strong ws that usually does the trick. Jp bsts on carbuncle hate my guts and generally avoid me if my group is in the zone. Just be a dick and it will keep them away.

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Originally Posted by klostro

I drug her with me everywhere for her th.

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you drug your own wife??

If a monster is proc'd and goes yellow (even once):
1) Reset the proc so player has to trigger again.
2) Monster loses proc and cannot be triggered again. or
3) Put the monster on a 30 sec timer until it auto depops

SE could also simply nerf the drops from monsters that link/aggro a player, or they could tie in Proc rate to how many monsters are currently on your party's hate list. So a group of 3 members attacking 4 monsters would have an extremely low (near impossible) proc rate versus a party of 3 fighting 3 monsters.

Simple and effective solutions. People would go out of their way to avoid pulling/linking/aggroing multiple monsters if they do not have enough people to keep claim.

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Originally Posted by Mavrick

If a monster is proc'd and goes yellow (even once):
1) Reset the proc so player has to trigger again.
2) Monster loses proc and cannot be triggered again. or
3) Put the monster on a 30 sec timer until it auto depops

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While that seems fair it's only hard for a BST to hold claim on a mob because of it's pet and honestly it balances BSTs abilty to kill 5 mobs solo w/ ease were a THF or NIN would struggle

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Originally Posted by Rezeak

While that seems fair it's only hard for a BST to hold claim on a mob because of it's pet and honestly it balances BSTs abilty to kill 5 mobs solo w/ ease were a THF or NIN would struggle

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Sorry but if a thf or nin is strugging on Eps and DC then they suck. I remember a time when thfs could solo a very nasty little crab with eva and bloody bolts and he was far harder then any trash mob in dyna. Really do thfs have no idea that have marksmanship anymore I mean really it works pretty good on weak mobs.

It makes no sense that people are always attacking bsts in this regard. Nins, thfs, dncs and everything else act just the same as bst. The only reason it seems like bsts do it more, is because most people play bst in there, which is because it is the most efficient job in there. If that changed and all the bsts suddenly disappeared from dyna you know what would happen? They'd be replaced by dncs or thfs acting in exactly the same fashion as they did as bsts. So while people can't seem to get over this idea that getting rid of the bsts will fix all the problems in dynamis, the only thing it will do is shift those exact same problems and annoyances onto a different job.

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

Yeah, but that's better than advocating everyone should be a dick to every BST they find in Dynamis.

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really should read all of my posts before you open your mouth. I said that I only mess with people in general who hold multiple mobs be it bst, thf, nin, whatever. If a bst is just fighting one mob at a time I leave him alone.

Again next time read all of someone's posts before opening your mouth. It will save you from looking stupid.

Been to Dyna a few time's over the last couple of week's never had any problem's with any one. A little frustrating when a area gets over camp, but that's really nothing new. To the OP, sounds like you just ran across a bad egg and you let it get to you. Nerf's are never the way to go. All it does is detract from some one else fun and cause a ripple effect threw the whole player base.

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Originally Posted by Dart

it's actually fairly easy to run bsts who hold multiple mobs out if you're with friends and have a strong ws that usually does the trick. Jp bsts on carbuncle hate my guts and generally avoid me if my group is in the zone. Just be a dick and it will keep them away.

Sure you can hold multiple mob but is that fair if there's a lot of people in the zone? No it isn't. Just deal with it or move to a mob type that isn't killed as frequently. Its just the way that it is.

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Originally Posted by Dart

really should read all of my posts before you open your mouth. I said that I only mess with people in general who hold multiple mobs be it bst, thf, nin, whatever. If a bst is just fighting one mob at a time I leave him alone.

Again next time read all of someone's posts before opening your mouth. It will save you from looking stupid.

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That caveat was not added to your first post. You really did just advocate being a dick to bst. You've had four posts in this thread where you've come off pretty dickish. You sound way, way more like a dick than he does stupid. Just sayin.

instead of bitching about BST, why don't you bitch so SE changes the mobs a bit.. ex. change the distribution of mobs so BST don't gather on only one camp. There is currently a mob rotation that BSTs follow based on game time to proc mobs(job ability)... add more rotations in different zones that are do-able. there is no need to nerf TH on BST, dynamis is not the only place where BSTs use TH, so why nerf it w/o looking at your other options? there are probably 10s of ways of going about this. and yes, relics will be easier to get but hey, there is a long road depending on the trials they add(they make it hard to upgrade your relics after you have them).

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Originally Posted by Daniel_Hatcher

It will barely drop. The biggest increase was and will forever be triggers, NOT TH. Yes it helps a bit, but TH1 will do that perfectly fine.

Nothing will change.

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On to the OP:

This is NOT anything new, WAR's and BLU's do this in Abyssea zones with Fell Cleave burns and Charged Whisker burns, even BLM, DNC and PLD also do this.

As long as this game has been around people that play it claim rights to anything and everything, hello 32+ people claim botting land gods, or even plain old NM's such as the low level MNK SAM NIN gloves in Oztroja NM.

People need to stop pretending BST's are the only job to feign elitism or control of an area, ESPECIALLY a level 75 zone/battlefield no one even cared for before the Dynamis Reborn nonsense.

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First, I have to ask if you're the Dhatcher from my LS.

Second, you are completely correct. Land kings were always botted. Current Dyna is nothing compared to Drama Aery in 2005/2006.

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Originally Posted by Dart

Again next time read all of someone's posts before opening your mouth. It will save you from looking stupid.

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Yeah, I'm still not seeing any apology for telling people to be dicks to BSTs so they go away. Doesn't matter if you have some self-righteous method to measure people in Dynamis by, you still boasted that Japanese bsts hate you. I'm sorry, but your other posts don't provide adequate context to make you sound like the good guy after those statements.

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Originally Posted by bruinbear

The monopolization of Dynamis zones by Beastmasters has gotten out of hand. Beastmasters have become extremely rude and carry themselves with a sense of entitlement in Dynamis zones. The gathering of all the monsters in the zone and sense that this is their right and elitism is horrible. Everywhere you go and in every zone, there are multiple BSTs claiming all the monsters and with several unclaimed, but partly damaged mobs with hate on them. When another player claims a mob, BSTs become disgruntled and give them attitude for doing so.

An example I can give is when I claimed an unclaimed monster next to a BST at what looked like full hp and only realized after claiming that it had been "red proc'd," to which the BST exchanged the following words: "F- yourself n-word." This is completely inappropriate behavior and has gone too far.

This entire process takes away from the ability of other players to enjoy the Dynamis event and to participate in the event at all when they are unable to claim monsters.

I propose that something (more than just the downgrade in TH to TH1 mentioned in the upcoming updates) be done to make Dynamis more equitable and fun for ALL players on FFXI.

Some suggestions to fix this process would be:
1) To limit the number of players who are able to enter each zone, setting a cap in each zone dependent on the size of the zone.
2) To take away treasure hunter effects from pets entirely, leaving TH to be a unique ability to the Thief and RNG job class.
3) To change the way the system works so that one person cannot hold hate on more than one monster at a time.

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ive seen thf nin blu and dnc do the same thing... whats your point, if SE really cared they'd make all the monsters the same level... actually ive seen nin do it more than bst on my server...

I've been in Dynamis and a JP NIN and her BST friend were holding 5 mobs and after proccing their five mobs the NIN walked over to me and my two (one was a link. I'm also a BST that tries to avoid linking or getting more than one or two). And the JP NIN, with her friend still fending off the five tried to claim BOTH of the mobs I was fighting, mashing attack on my pet's mob and using a provoke macro on the one I was fighting.

It's always the player, never the job.

When a job is proven effective and efficient, there will be bandwagon of players leveling them to reap the most benefits for their time spent - simple economics - to the OP, learn it before you complaint that jobs xyz is ruining your game time. Most likely is bad players xyz ruining your game time not the job per se. There are influx of super popular jobs throughout the years, some are just better for certain things and people will go for that. Its funny how after the amazing pupdate, we have not yet seen bandwagon puppet master on the rise. Perhaps its a blessing in disguise? With everything in the game, once a shortcuts are learned and spread through the community, everyone will do it. No one in their right minds enjoy mindless tedious grind for no reasons other than it gives you a sense of "silly accomplishment" feel. You just spend hours doing the same xyz - no challenge at all.

TBH it doesn't matter so much that there are tons of BSTs in dynamis. Its that most (not all) people don't bother with cities for dynamis. If you are out to get the MOST currency possible CoP zones are where you want to be. Job Ability proc mobs are by far the easiest way to get the most currency in 2 hours. On Fenrir there is a fairly large amount of BSTs in dynamis at any given time and they are almost all in CoP dynamis. Not sure how other servers are but most of the time there are 20-30 people in CoP dynamis and 95% of them are BSTs.

The biggest issue in dynamis is not the amount of BSTs it is the mobs themselves. Depending on which zone you enter, 90% of the people will go after the same mobs because the other mob types are simply undesirable to fight. For instance who is going to go after Cactaur type mobs in Dynamis-Valkurm when you can just go after Hippogryph, Goobue / Treants and Fungars during job ability proc times. This is how camps get over crowded. Also at 99 even the DC camps are crowded with BSTs, along with NIN THF etc.

Alot of people also have said before just look for another zone or go at another time. Unfortunately things aren't that easy. Some LS like my own have events we like to do at certain times. Which means we as an LS have other events to do after dynamis. So we enter dynamis and make due with what is available too us. Reading through all the posts on this thread there are a number of things that can't happen.

1. You can't limit the amount of people in the zone. Depending on your server population on when people do dynamis you would in fact cut off access to certain dynamis zones. Since there are no more reserving zones you would in fact be forcing people to do zones they are not going to benefit as highly from (ie cities). There is no reason to restrict people from playing and maximizing their time spent for 2 hours.

2. Changing the repop time on mobs. I agree that the repop time should be lower by just a bit or add more mobs to the camps. I'm not sure the current repop time on mobs but dropping it down by 20% would help alot. This way people can actually find a stationary camp and just pull mobs to their respective camp and not have to worry as much about overcrowding as the mobs will repsawn at an increased rate (think sorta like the old bird camps).

It's not just beastmasters, it's all players. And why can't we fight multiple mobs? I seem to remember doing old dyna for years and multiple mobs would be slept, and picked off one by one. One thing still irking me is why ranger deserves TH? I'm a beast main and I totally agree to an extent that we shouldn't get TH3. But what the heck, sub thf you get TH2, and a lvl 99 THF job pet gets TH1? How does that make sense... Not to mention, it's easy to play dyna BST any one can do that, but you've obviously never met any pre-abyssea-pre-nu-dyna-pre-ducalguard BSTS to make a dimwitted comment like that.

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Originally Posted by Unleashhell

2. Changing the repop time on mobs. I agree that the repop time should be lower by just a bit or add more mobs to the camps. I'm not sure the current repop time on mobs but dropping it down by 20% would help alot. This way people can actually find a stationary camp and just pull mobs to their respective camp and not have to worry as much about overcrowding as the mobs will repsawn at an increased rate (think sorta like the old bird camps).

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Changing the repop time or adding more mobs will allow more relic to be created, I doubt they'll change it.

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Originally Posted by Afania

Changing the repop time or adding more mobs will allow more relic to be created, I doubt they'll change it.

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Why not? They made dynamis this way so more relics can be created. If they didn't want more relics being created they wouldn't have allowed you to enter everyday. Also SE even stated the changes that they made would increase the amount of currency on all servers. More currency = more relics.

Sounds good in theory and all. But we all know how the "balance" works. They'll only justify lowering repop timer in exchange for a decrease in currency per mob

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Originally Posted by Unleashhell

Why not? They made dynamis this way so more relics can be created. If they didn't want more relics being created they wouldn't have allowed you to enter everyday. Also SE even stated the changes that they made would increase the amount of currency on all servers. More currency = more relics.

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Their wording was a matter of justifying the decreased currency rates. "Yes, we're decreasing currency rates, but because players will be able to do Dynamis more often, there will be a net increase on currency produced per day." (paraphrased, but something like that). They attempted to balance it, not flood the market. If they increased spawn rates even more, they'd have to decrease drop rates even more. That's how their logic works.

And just because I can't resist the urge to use your own wording against you:
If they didn't want fewer relics being created, they wouldn't have decreased currency drop rates, made it so stones/eyes don't drop hundos, and put a hard cap of 2 hours on zones where you used to get 3.5 hours.

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Originally Posted by Bobarian

It's not just beastmasters, it's all players. And why can't we fight multiple mobs? I seem to remember doing old dyna for years and multiple mobs would be slept, and picked off one by one.

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You can't compare old dynamis to dynamis of today - back then you weren't competing for claim against other people.

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Originally Posted by Lafaiel

Take all thier yellow mobs. drive them out! make them go somewhere else, they think they're too good to team up with anyone and want to hog all the mobs, bst does not get along with anyone because most of the people that level it are either an only child so they don't know how to share or interact with people, or they are usually shut ins that have no social skill so they can't play a party job because they will get kicked from it.

Those are the reasons why they rage so much when you try to get a few mobs, the only way to deal with them is like the bully at thier school deals with them, take it by force. Nobody likes a beastmaster anyway, damn furries.

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Actually, they probably don't want to group with bigoted ass-hats like you.

As a beastmaster that ventures into Dynamis frequently, I can understand both sides of the fence.

However, I believe that they should improve the proccing system overall. There are so many different types of mobs that aren't even engaged causing some camps to become incredibly overcrowded with competition. I am suggesting that all mobs be able to procced utilizing weaponskills, job abilities, and magic 24/7. This would open up so many more possibilities for all players to achieve an enjoyable experience during their 2 hour time spent in Dynamis.

Your thoughts community?

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Originally Posted by Yinnyth

Their wording was a matter of justifying the decreased currency rates. "Yes, we're decreasing currency rates, but because players will be able to do Dynamis more often, there will be a net increase on currency produced per day." (paraphrased, but something like that). They attempted to balance it, not flood the market. If they increased spawn rates even more, they'd have to decrease drop rates even more. That's how their logic works.

And just because I can't resist the urge to use your own wording against you:
If they didn't want fewer relics being created, they wouldn't have decreased currency drop rates, made it so stones/eyes don't drop hundos, and put a hard cap of 2 hours on zones where you used to get 3.5 hours.

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Overall you still can spend more time in dynamis doing it 7 days a week. CoP zones are just as easy as you can get with currency. We also get 1-2 100's per run killing the timed spawn NMs on top of the singles.

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Originally Posted by Unleashhell

We also get 1-2 100's per run killing the timed spawn NMs on top of the singles.

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Most of the soloing bst are well.. solo :p Cities are largely underwhelming compared to COP, If they made it so there were JA areas magic areas and ws areas in the cities more people would do them, since engaging a monster you cant stagger is a waste of time in dynamis... so if 2/3 of your pulls have monsters you cant stagger you wasted 80 of your dynamis... more if that smn kills you... So changing the monster distribution would increase the amount of people in cities compared to CoP. The cities didn't have a need to change when CoP was a glass still, but now that there are easier and more profitable zones, you'll find people soloing in those zones... If they're just after gil they'd crowd sandy but if you're on a blu at a magic camp you wouldn't mind it...

Just a thought, I just think you should clear the complaints about zilart dynamis to remedy the congestion of CoP zones, I know for a fact if i could have a camp of magic or ja staggers in a zilart zone i'd farm them for upgrades not CoP...

For the love of Altana just make "all" mobs in all dynamis zones proc "all the time" on JA / WS / MA so people don't (ever) have to change camps and if a camp is taken they can move somewhere else..

Where is the hate thread for mnk + whm 'out of control' in abyssea threads... or hate warrior threads?

oh yeah, there aren't hate groups for that...

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Originally Posted by Bobarian

It's not just beastmasters, it's all players. And why can't we fight multiple mobs? I seem to remember doing old dyna for years and multiple mobs would be slept, and picked off one by one. One thing still irking me is why ranger deserves TH? I'm a beast main and I totally agree to an extent that we shouldn't get TH3. But what the heck, sub thf you get TH2, and a lvl 99 THF job pet gets TH1? How does that make sense... Not to mention, it's easy to play dyna BST any one can do that, but you've obviously never met any pre-abyssea-pre-nu-dyna-pre-ducalguard BSTS to make a dimwitted comment like that.

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Big difference between old dynamis and now. Techincally all mobs in the zone were yours(in old) because only people with an hourglass could enter. This is not the case and all mobs are 'shared' so holding multiple mobs for yourself is a very different story...

I do hate the fact that alot of bst's only use the job for the purpose of dynamis. I just wish that more jobs had opportunities to do well in dynamis. They really need to increase the proc rate on magic and ws mobs. Idk why they ever nerfed the proc rate on aoe ws in the first place. Could just increase the levels on the monsters to negate people from aoe'ing 5-6 at a time. Can anyone give suggestions on other good currency spots for nightmare mobs? I usually only do qufim, but it's just packed daily...even when i go in with just 6 people in the zone, i can't get a decent camp for JA procs.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

I do hate the fact that alot of bst's only use the job for the purpose of dynamis. I just wish that more jobs had opportunities to do well in dynamis. They really need to increase the proc rate on magic and ws mobs. Idk why they ever nerfed the proc rate on aoe ws in the first place. Could just increase the levels on the monsters to negate people from aoe'ing 5-6 at a time. Can anyone give suggestions on other good currency spots for nightmare mobs? I usually only do qufim, but it's just packed daily...even when i go in with just 6 people in the zone, i can't get a decent camp for JA procs.

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hmm methinks AoE proc's encourage more fighting over mobs. if a small pt here and there can claim a whole zone section of mobs and AoE them down, they there will be more fighting.

Don't get me wrong, I think AoE proc is very cool.
I'm a BST main. I don't try to claim a group of MOBs in dynamis. I kill 1, maybe 2 at a time. When I get links, I try to manage them all, as its the best way to do it. I usually don't care if someone comes and takes a 3rd mob off me, all though it can be annoying if its a mob I've proc'd.

If its crowded there is never a chance for more than 2 anyway.

This is a funny and bigoted thread however.

I think what is being complained about are the bandwagon players anyway. They were Bandwagons Sams, bandwagon WAR's and Bandwagon MNK's before they became bandwagon BST's. Which makes it even more ridiculous to attack the job itself and lump all bst players into the hate group.

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Originally Posted by Xilk

hmm methinks AoE proc's encourage more fighting over mobs. if a small pt here and there can claim a whole zone section of mobs and AoE them down, they there will be more fighting.

Don't get me wrong, I think AoE proc is very cool.
I'm a BST main. I don't try to claim a group of MOBs in dynamis. I kill 1, maybe 2 at a time. When I get links, I try to manage them all, as its the best way to do it. I usually don't care if someone comes and takes a 3rd mob off me, all though it can be annoying if its a mob I've proc'd.

If its crowded there is never a chance for more than 2 anyway.

This is a funny and bigoted thread however.

I think what is being complained about are the bandwagon players anyway. They were Bandwagons Sams, bandwagon WAR's and Bandwagon MNK's before they became bandwagon BST's. Which makes it even more ridiculous to attack the job itself and lump all bst players into the hate group.

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actually bst was a bandwagon job before the 2hand buff and before that the change to mob respawn mechanics. Bst's had run of low man nm's (LoO, Aquarius to name two) for a very long time because they could mpk the hell out of anyone who was there as competition and steal the nm.

Actually It's the fact that alot of people aren't realizing that easy prey mobs drop shit currency, so groups of 3-4 go and kill easy prey and gimp there income when they could do decent challenge and spread out camps. I am starting to do decent challenge mobs with my friend and you can make mad currency per run.

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Originally Posted by Fupafighter

They really need to increase the proc rate on magic and ws mobs.

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Magic proc rate is low because you can spam magic on mobs almost non-stop. Still, I think it's a tad TOO low.
WS procs could use a bit higher procrate too, but it might be at the level it is due to some jobs able to spam weaponskills. I think PUP leads by a large margin (if pet is configured for WS proc spam), followed by SAM, although that might be just my imagination.

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Originally Posted by Kristal

Magic proc rate is low because you can spam magic on mobs almost non-stop. Still, I think it's a tad TOO low.
WS procs could use a bit higher procrate too, but it might be at the level it is due to some jobs able to spam weaponskills. I think PUP leads by a large margin (if pet is configured for WS proc spam), followed by SAM, although that might be just my imagination.

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K but you have to realize its not like the monster is going to survive that long lol. I can keep my back turned and do energy drain 5x in a row and just gather steps and do no damage to a monster and just ws on dnc and not proc. If they upped the ws proc, atleast people would attempt different camps...