Fix Coruscanti in the works?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ilax

If relic was that EASY to get, i would have 11 Relic with my 11 Empy, so knock it off.

---

And you probably would still know how to use 0 of them effectively. People complete relics from 0 --> 95 in less than 2 months now. Making a relic is a joke.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Asymptotic

And you probably would still know how to use 0 of them effectively. People complete relics from 0 --> 95 in less than 2 months now. Making a relic is a joke.

---

And how that make you think is right to make Mandau fail as sub hand but not Coruscanti?

Nvm I got some grapevine info.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ilax

Twastar/Coruscanti = success, Quad dmg, Are you kiding me or what?

---

Only on the Coruscanti strikes, just like Twashtar aftermath doesn't apply to the offhand. Altered effect in the offhand is unique to Relics and Mythics. There are literally no other weapons that suffer this penalty. It's meant to balance 1h vs. 2h relics, not other weapons vs. relics. IIRC this was added around the time Mythics came out, probably so that you couldn't dual-wield relics and mythics for crazy stat boosts compared to a 2-handed job which can't wield both.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ilax

And how that make you think is right to make Mandau fail as sub hand but not Coruscanti?

---

Read my above post for why they gimped relics/mythics in the offhand.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Asymptotic

Only on the Coruscanti strikes, just like Twashtar aftermath doesn't apply to the offhand. Altered effect in the offhand is unique to Relics and Mythics. There are literally no other weapons that suffer this penalty. It's meant to balance 1h vs. 2h relics, not other weapons vs. relics. IIRC this was added around the time Mythics came out, probably so that you couldn't dual-wield relics and mythics for crazy stat boosts compared to a 2-handed job which can't wield both.

---

Derp :/ that was super hard to understand.

Besides if Mandau worked in offhand, I'm not convinced Twashtar/Mandau would be best. It would probably be Vajra/Mandau.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Asymptotic

Only on the Coruscanti strikes, just like Twashtar aftermath doesn't apply to the offhand. Altered effect in the offhand is unique to Relics and Mythics. There are literally no other weapons that suffer this penalty. It's meant to balance 1h vs. 2h relics, not other weapons vs. relics. IIRC this was added around the time Mythics came out, probably so that you couldn't dual-wield relics and mythics for crazy stat boosts compared to a 2-handed job which can't wield both.

---

And again what part you don't understand here:

Twastar/Coruscanti (Will QUAD DMG only on off hand, give +15 DEX, and +5% Crit rate)
Twastar/Mandau (Will Triple DMG only on off hand, give +35 attack, poison 10/tic.)

So how a "TRIPLE DMG" apply only on offhand "OVERPOWER" relic combo, but "QUAD DMG" is not "OVERPOWER"?

How DEV even end to think that way? They are so scared by the 10 poison a tic form mandau? or 35 attack?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Asymptotic

Besides if Mandau worked in offhand, I'm not convinced Twashtar/Mandau would be best. It would probably be Vajra/Mandau.

---

Vajra/Mandau, Twastar/Coruscanti or Mandau/Coruscanti would still be better. But is not even the point here..

1.) It's +5% critical hit rate, not +5% critical hit damage.
2.) French and English both have past participles. I speak both. You have no excuse to confuse "Overpower" and "Overpowered." The best translations in French for "overpowered" are probably immodéré or injustifié. They're both past participle adjectives. It is relatively common in English and French alike for past participles to be used adjectives, but you can't use the plain, pre-conjugate form as an adjective.
3.) 35 attack is a lot and has a much more significant effect on your DPS than you realize.
4.) Vajra/Mandau would most likely blow Twashtar/Mandau out of the water by miles, to the point where it probably would be overpowered. Anything/Coruscanti, I don't see particularly being overpowered, even with a 10% quadruple damage effect.

Also I'm about 95% sure that Mandau/Coruscanti beats Mandau/Twashtar, even without the ODSD effect.

With the ODSD effect working as was described previously, Mandau/Coruscanti renders Twashtar completely worthless as an offhand for Mandau.

Why is this still going on @.@

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Haxetc

Why is this still going on @.@

---

I've already explained that:

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Asymptotic

I really don't know what it is. There's just something about Dagger jobs that attracts people with only half of a functioning brain.

---

Did i say Mandau/Twastar? no.

Twastar/Coruscanti BEST
Twastar/Mandau Decent combo, if DEV would even allow it.

For DEV Twastar/Mandau is overpowered, but not Twastar/Coruscanti, please help me to understand.

Of course i understand the analogy about relic/mythic Asymptotic, don't you even understand my point, or you just ignore it on purpose.

Even if DEV make Coruscanti unable to PROC off hands, that still make Coruscanti awesome dagger.

Mandau/Coruscanti is better than Twashtar/Coruscanti :|
Mandau is hands-down the best main-hand dagger, although with OA2-3 Vajra might give it a run for its money.
There's just very little reason to use Twashtar at all if you have a Mandau and a Coruscanti.

Fact of the matter is only relics/mythics are nerfed in potency in the offhand. It's been like this since offhanding a Relic would even be a viable option (before Mythics, there would be no reason to offhand a relic anyway).

This is a balance between the Relics/Mythics themselves, one-handed Relics/Mythics arguably already have a slight upper hand because you can choose an offhand with incredible stat boosts. It just can't be another relic or mythic, you have to main-hand those. No other weapon has ever been nerfed in the offhand, and they're probably not going to start now.

I don't see why you don't want it to work in the offhand. It just makes it that much better as an offhand to Mandau.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Asymptotic

I've already explained that:

---

Its not really dagger jobs attract people with half-a-brain, its just Ilax himself. He/she/it is just going to keep going with same argument as long as someone tries to go against it. That way, when people get bored and stop posting, he can convince himself he's won and he's right.

I'm not easily bored.

My theory is that he went out and made a Twashtar and thinks that it's better than a Mandau but still has a Mandau and desperately want's to sub it to Twashtar even though Mandau/Twashtar is better so it makes him mad that Coruscanti would get the off hand OAS that he wants so bad for his Mandau that he shouldn't be subbing anyway.

Your theory is fail... The only reason i would ever do trashtar is just for the heck of having it as "trophy" in my collection.

Same go with Mythic and Coruscanti, i gave up long time ago on THF as the job is pathetic, awesome solo job thought.

But again, all this have nothing to do with how Coruscanti is broken if work as SUB, anyway this is my last post, so you can have fun insulting me =P

This thread reads much better once Sira and Ilax are on the ignore list :D

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Ilax

Anyway back on TOPIC, DEV are better to not allow Coruscanti proc as SUB weapon, that is for sure insulting every relic owner.

---

how coruscanti procing as sub can be bad for relic/mythic/empy owner?
if it don't it compete with em for main hand slot
if it do, main hand R/M/E, off hand coruscanti= profit

Quote:

---

[size=18]MANDAU Triple dmg. DON'T WORK AS SUB[/size]
[size=38]Coruscanti quad Should not WORK AS SUB[/size]

---

how is getting triple porc from main then quad from sub is bad?

Hiko basically summed it up.

Anyway, now that Ilax is gone for good, we can get this thread back on track.

For those of us who wasted enough of our lives doing Qilin to have a Coruscanti at this point, it is an extreme disappointment that the "unique" part of this dagger (Occasionally deals severe damage) is not currently functional.

The development team should make it a priority to fix this (in between breaking SAM, of course).

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Asymptotic

The development team should make it a priority to fix this (in between breaking SAM, of course).

---

The dev team call it 'fixing' SAM ;p

Anyone notice if its fixed on the test server today?

It has always worked on the test server. It's the real server where it's broken. This is how we know what the effect is in the first place.

No, it stopped working on the test server too.

By the way, dev team, STILL BROKEN.
Still no response.

FIX THE STUPID DAGGER, OKAY?

was talking to a thf with one the other day, he said he liked it and loved when the damage proc'd, i told him i heard it was broken. he told me it not only works but does triple damage, after checking his gear i asked him "you sure its not your gear set proc doing that?" after afew mintues of silence he told me he thinks the dagger is broken.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Tile

was talking to a thf with one the other day, he said he liked it and loved when the damage proc'd, i told him i heard it was broken. he told me it not only works but does triple damage, after checking his gear i asked him "you sure its not your gear set proc doing that?" after afew mintues of silence he told me he thinks the dagger is broken.

---

Lol. That is a good start for my morning.

Really, though, SE needs to not take months to fix this because they put it on the backburner. Screw backburner status for items that are broken upon release. Broken JAs and such are fixed immediately no questions asked. No excuse. Fix the dagger. Truly, I wish I could tell this to their faces or on their forums but unfortunately I do not type or speak Japanese, and I certainly am incapable of playing Mr. Rogers and hold their hands while I tell them the truth of the matter because I feel doing so only invites backburner status for what you are requesting. oh, this person doesn't seem angry or anything. I suppose I can fix this, in time, just not right now because I need to finish this new content that has 0.1% drop rates for the unlucky fewmany.

Why bother to fix an item that 20 people across all servers have?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nynja

Why bother to fix an item that 20 people across all servers have?

---

Since when does the quantity of an item dictate whether it should be fixed or not? If it's broken, fix it. Those 20 (most likely many more) worked hard for and/or got lucky with the drop, so why should they be penalized? It's false advertising, really.

Quote:

---

Why bother to fix an item that 20 people across all servers have?

---

Same reason they spend so much dev time adding relic trials only a handful of people will ever complete

20, its got to be more then that, i've done over 150 Qilin, and I've seen atleast 5 people on Carbuncle wearing them.

obvious sarcasm was sarcasm...but it stands to reason there arent THAT many corsucanti's out there

So just because not many people have it means that it should remain broken? Are you high?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Prothscar

So just because not many people have it means that it should remain broken? Are you high?

---

Theres more relics on my server alone than there are Corsu's across all the servers, which ones more broken?

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nynja

Theres more relics on my server alone than there are Corsu's across all the servers, which ones more broken?

---

There's a difference between an incorrect number or an "a" somewhere in the coding where an "s" should be, and something working properly but performing poorly because a weirdo made it weirdly.

At least, I assume that's all it is. It would be pretty funny if Coruscanti actually taps into a dark, confounding meatball at the core of FFXI's spaghetti code and nobody ever tested that after making it.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nynja

Theres more relics on my server alone than there are Corsu's across all the servers, which ones more broken?

---

You're trying way too hard. I don't want this fixed because I don't have one and it is rare and it shouldn't be fixed because relics is not a sound argument.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Prothscar

You're trying wa~y too hard. I don't want this fixed because I don't have one and it is rare and it shouldn't be fixed because relics is not a sound argument.

---

Lets fix the 52 corsu's while the 6k relics out there never get upgraded to final lv99 stage because the "reasonable trial" is fkn absurd.

Or they could fix both.

Quote:

---

Originally Posted by Nynja

Lets fix the 52 corsu's while the 6k relics out there never get upgraded to final lv99 stage because the "reasonable trial" is fkn absurd.

---

yes, let's use FFXIAH's equipped items list as a definitive view of all of the Coruscantis that exist.

Btw, more than one thing can be fixed at once, not sure if you knew that or not, but it seems like you didn't.