[dev1064] Job Adjustments: Weapon Skills

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Originally Posted by newmonkey

It's true the community on here bascially laughed at relic holders so im laughing back to you now xD Especailly that dumb Macross i bet he's feeling pretty stupid right now lol.

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LOL wut??? I'm a relic owner too you know! Will have 95 yoichi tomorrow.

And no, I really don't care they nerfed Ukko lol. I have all jobs 95-99, I don't just play war. 150m for 95 ukon, or 150m for 95 bravura, still think Ukon comes out ahead even with upheaval.

Now the new best weapon will be mythic gkt, already started it! Can't go wrong with sam.

PS, I have 100 WW and capped synergy too!

Empys can be made in a week easily with an LS helping you. So can relics if everyone goes and solos dynamis and gives you all the coins for a week. Not that much effort.

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Originally Posted by saevel

Right now many jobs feel that WHM is the only healer because it was Cure V. To allow more jobs to be healers SE has to buff their healing potential. OR ... they can nerf Cure V into the ground and kill two birds with one stone. Making other jobs more *viable* and making Cure VI more *useful* since V wouldn't be worth casting.

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Expect RDM and SCH to cheer that just as much as DD's are cheering the MNK and WAR nerfs now.

Quote Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull View Post
I wholeheartedly support the upcoming balancing of Ukko's Fury and Victory Smite and applaud the developers for finally giving attention to this issue. These two WS are ridiculously overpowered and need to be brought into line with other WS in order to keep the game from becoming "Warrior and Monk Fantasy XI"

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

You applaud them in nerfing instead of fixing the other jobs? That's lame.

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they only agree with SE cuz they suck and arnt able to get that weapon skill. I have admit even tho i have Blade: hi mnks ws is i think alot better. I might have to lvl mnk now if im able too that is.

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Originally Posted by FrankReynolds

I like your style. I think they should apply this sort of problem solving to more things in life. Like when I go out to dinner, and my friends food is good, but mine sucks. I don't want to wait for the waiter to bring me new food. It would be way easier if he could just spit in my friends food. That way he doesn't have to deal with getting me good food and I get to have food just as good as my friends food. That's just the kind of guy I am. I really don't care about getting what I paid for, as long as the guy next to me doesn't have it any better.

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lol your nasty XD

i liked the 3 deflated tires analogy. screw it if you cant have 4 full tires, have 4 flat ones.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

Expect RDM and SCH to cheer that just as much as DD's are cheering the MNK and WAR nerfs now.

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Any RDM or SCH that cheers for WHM getting Cure V nerf is an idiot. as a RDM, id MUCH rather they FIX RDM then just gimp WHM so I can be a pink mage again.

For starters, allowing enfeebles to actually matter on HNMs.

Its just really stupid because you know what? All those other DD jobs (thf, nin, etc, DRK and SAM already are good DDs outside of abyssea so I dunno what they are bitching about) are still going to be shitty DDs even with this nerf. People will still bring WAR.

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Originally Posted by Staren

Where's your lvl 100 woodworking or unlocked synergy? I mean if we're going to make random arguments I don't have a relic, if I needed one I'd make one in a month or two. I'm done feeding the troll though you can keep fixating on this but if you cant see the fact that farming 300 million gil is just as much as making 2 relics I can't help you. It's easy to make blind speculations about you when you're unable to hold discourse and are a broken record I'd not be surprised if you're still in high school and have nothing better to do with your life. Also I'll point out you've still managed to avoid making any point to validate your existence in this thread.

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i never said woodworking is easy/hard. my synergy is 75, but unlike you obviously I don't use 3rd party aps that allow it to be seen.Where is your relic?

As samurai and hating you all wars. I dont support the Nerf. I writed this under alchool effects. So dont take this shit too serious

Before i forget STAREN whiriiiiii is yourrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr relic =P? j/k ^_^

Good luck with your Mythic man. I hope you are making the DRG one.


A little Suggestion For balance the Silly game... This points in my opinion means the balance, nerf dont solve nothing is necesary work and more work for fix the problems.

Make Fudo, Torcleaver, quietus, rudra storm and Camlann's TormenT can critical with 60% chances at 100% TP. Problem solved. Increase the Hi, VS, Ukkos chances to 60% as well.

As little example Atmas RR/VV/AOA.

Fudo Critical

3583 - 4925 Normal
4336 - 6056 Double attack ones
5103 - 7187 Triple attack ones

Yep all other WS damage will look like this too.

Make the Relics and mythics WS critical all them 60% at 100% TP. The same will happen like fudo in the above example

Give DW jobs and H2h jobs a Job ability like "Hasso" With 10% Ja haste <3. Now this jobs will become true Damage per second jobs..

Make the DW jobs and H2h Jobs can Deals double damage on both hands using a empyreal weapon.

Oh man you just Losed your Fucking mind not? If they do this Now the DW,H2H jobs will destroy the DOT of Two hander jobs in a dramatic way... Yeah is the price Two hander jobs WS frecuently and WS damage. dw,h2h JOBS DPS owneage.

Reduce the Tachi Shoha x2 attack to 15% attack boost.

Doing this the game will feel LIKE 99! Not like at lv 75 -_-

Even if i hate you all wars with passion and my evil part is laughing for the nerf. You guys makeme feel like shit all the year. I dont support the nerf ukkos fury. Where is the fun if i can destroy totally a ukovansara war with a Tp bonus Great katana? Nuuu giveme back my rivals the Wars.

Yeah like atomic skull say "WARS TEARS ARE DELICIOUS" But i still need challenges with my sam...

"Licks slowly my lips after taste Wars tears <3"

Honestly... what the fuck is wrong with some of you? Because like 8 people bashed relics you are nerdgasming over a nerf that will probably just be the tip of the iceberg. It's really sad that some of you are capable of holding so much hatred for such a stupid stupid reason. One WAR trolled you on a forum and you cry tears of joy over the misfortune of 100s of people? Nerfs in general are crap. Nerfs are even more crap when they happen to things you worked hard for. Try to look at it objectively instead focusing on your hatred for that one dude who said that one mean thing to you that time.

Also on the Catanerf and where everyone was when that happened... These forums didn't exist until 2 years after that happened. You can believe there would have been just as big a shitstorm.

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Originally Posted by Insaniac

Honestly... what the fuck is wrong with some of you? Because like 8 people bashed relics you are nerdgasming over a nerf that will probably just be the tip of the iceberg. It's really sad that some of you are capable of holding so much hatred for such a stupid stupid reason. One WAR trolled you on a forum and you cry tears of joy over the misfortune of 100s of people? Nerfs in general are crap. Nerfs are even more crap when they happen to things you worked hard for. Try to look at it objectively instead focusing on your hatred for that one dude who said that one mean thing to you that time.

Also on the Catanerf and where everyone was when that happened... These forums didn't exist until 2 years after that happened. You can believe there would have been just as big a shitstorm.

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You know Insaniac makes a good point here. These nerf's reduce's damage potential, which over all affects everyone. You my be here cheering about it now. But how are you going to feel when you lose that next fight by a mere margin when you could have won it before the nerf. These job class are suppose to all be improving, not degrading. And we need to be telling SE as a group that they need to fix the other job classes to bring them up to the bar, not bring other's down. Nerf's aren't fun, improvement's are.

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Originally Posted by Morier

i never said woodworking is easy/hard. my synergy is 75, but unlike you obviously I don't use 3rd party aps that allow it to be seen.Where is your relic?

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Already answered that question in what you quoted no longer feeding the troll. There's over 2000 players with synergy on their xiah accounts odd how all 2000 must be using 3rd party apps to make that show up. Have a nice winter break from school I hope your teachers didnt give you too much over the break assignments that might keep you from adding more shining posts like these to the forums.

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Originally Posted by tyrantsyn

You know Insaniac makes a good point here. These nerf's reduce's damage potential, which over all affects everyone. You my be here cheering about it now. But how are you going to feel when you lose that next fight by a mere margin when you could have won it before the nerf. These job class are suppose to all be improving, not degrading. And we need to be telling SE as a group that they need to fix the other job classes to bring them up to the bar, not bring other's down. Nerf's aren't fun, improvement's are.

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Right. It's clear that the dev team doesn't have our back or sympathize with us in any way so instead of being assholes to each other we could all agree that nerfs are lame and buffs are better. The few vocal people that come on here and support the nerfs just because they have some kind of irrational hatred of WARs or Emps may very well be the thing that makes the devs think they can get away with nerfs and crappy content and those same people could be next in line for the nerf bat.

BTW. The crit rate on Ukko's seems to be 15% now. Down from 30%. Even if you agree with the nerf that seems like overkill.

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Originally Posted by Staren

Already answered that question in what you quoted no longer feeding the troll. There's over 2000 players with synergy on their xiah accounts odd how all 2000 must be using 3rd party apps to make that show up. Have a nice winter break from school I hope your teachers didnt give you too much over the break assignments that might keep you from adding more shining posts like these to the forums.

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It requires guildwork. lernurstuffz. So yes they are. I see you are a 13 year old girl that skins her knee over and over constantly crying. Not saying that is a bad way to live for you. One day you will be able to go to school, I hope you grow and thrive into a lovely young woman who doesn't need 40 cats to keep her company.It is ok, you do not want to answer why you don't have a relic, since it would only take like 2 days for you.

I too have 700 million in alex on mules working on 7 mythics at a time such a chore, right? God i love making baseless claims too. It is so fun and makes me feel all gooey inside.

On topic: I am glad these 2 ws are getting a slight nerf, but makes me think they did it to add gear to buff it. Balance as everyone screams lately.

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Originally Posted by Morier

It requires guildwork. lernurstuffz. So yes they are. I see you are a 13 year old girl that skins her knee over and over constantly crying. Not saying that is a bad way to live for you. One day you will be able to go to school, I hope you grow and thrive into a lovely young woman who doesn't need 40 cats to keep her company.It is ok, you do not want to answer why you don't have a relic, since it would only take like 2 days for you.

I too have 700 million in alex on mules working on 7 mythics at a time such a chore, right? God i love making baseless claims too. It is so fun and makes me feel all gooey inside.

On topic: I am glad these 2 ws are getting a slight nerf, but makes me think they did it to add gear to buff it. Balance as everyone screams lately.

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Glad it took several posts of goading you to finally get on topic. I am not a girl but I guess if thats what it takes for you to respond on topic on the internet believe what you want, I mean I knew the internet was filled with pedobears xi's no exception. Lols @700mil alex on 7 mules when you could be finished with one already if you knew how alex actually worked for mythics. You have a kannagi and a masamune don't really have to much faith that you're capable of getting anything of actual worth especially when you add on top of that you cant even finish your woodworking skill. I told you before I do not have a relic and I don't want one.

So thanks for getting on topic even if it took you thinking I'm one of the underage girls you see in the hallway that you wish you could bully into submission to actually respond and prove your worth in this thread. I too would love to believe SE will add gear to buff this but I have been around long enough to know that this isn't the SE that will do that.

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Originally Posted by Staren

Glad it took several posts of goading you to finally get on topic. I am not a girl but I guess if thats what it takes for you to respond on topic on the internet believe what you want, I mean I knew the internet was filled with pedobears xi's no exception. Lols @700mil alex on 7 mules when you could be finished with one already if you knew how alex actually worked for mythics. You have a kannagi and a masamune don't really have to much faith that you're capable of getting anything of actual worth especially when you add on top of that you cant even finish your woodworking skill. I told you before I do not have a relic and I don't want one.

So thanks for getting on topic even if it took you thinking I'm one of the underage girls you see in the hallway that you wish you could bully into submission to actually respond and prove your worth in this thread. I too would love to believe SE will add gear to buff this but I have been around long enough to know that this isn't the SE that will do that.

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As opposed to the goads you constantly fell for. lolkid. Where is your relic? You are still biting the bait on the hook, must be hungry. Poor little girl wanting an older guy, I am sorry you are not my type, I would want a less needy woman. As far as gear, it was mildly hoping since i am almost done with vere, but ya never know. You are fun!. Where is your relic? Why can't you level jobs? or cap synergy, since u are using guildwork/windower and shows it is at 74/ Sheesh come on!

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Originally Posted by Morier

Why can't you burn more jobs you don't need to use like me?

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fixed that for you

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Originally Posted by Staren

I have no one. I am ronery. I have to accuse people of things to make me feel good.

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My levels are staggered genius. I make sure to cap my skills per level, something you would not understand. Try harder. Not fun anymore. I had such high hopes.

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Originally Posted by Morier

My levels are staggered genius. I make sure to cap my skills per level, something you would not understand. Try harder. Not fun anymore. I had such high hopes.

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I wish I could say the same but its hard to even believe you stagger levels with the lack of intelligence in your posts. 700 mil gil of alexandrite instead of 1 mythic and 100mil of alexandrite was the big tell. Then it was back to the high school antics expected from you. You had one shining moment of hope and it died as soon as it came.

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Originally Posted by Staren

I wish I could say the same but its hard to even believe you stagger levels with the lack of intelligence in your posts. 700 mil gil of alexandrite instead of 1 mythic and 100mil of alexandrite was the big tell. Then it was back to the high school antics expected from you. You had one shining moment of hope and it died as soon as it came.

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You can see my staggered levels as much as you apparently check my profile. As for the mythic thing, seeing as you cant understand sarcasm it was making a dumb claim as you did. No fun if I have to spell everything out for you. I keep forgetting how young you are and not even in Jr. high. My bad.
One last time, then we can move on to another thread. Where is your relic? So easy to make as you say you should have them all in a month. Where is it? Take care and never forget, Where is your relic? *tosses bait away* Fish has gone bad.

Please stop posting.

Did they mess with Spirit Taker too? My Staff skill is decently high, yet I'm now wiffing 90% of my Spirit Takers...

NVM, to far back.

Just a suggestion here to the developers, why not give jobs that are native rank A-,A,A+ a 10% WS bonus with the new merit WS. break it in to +2% increases every upgrade(1/5= 2%, 5/5=10% etc or heck go higher, maybe 20% WS bonus.)
That way jobs that can use multiple new merit WS(i.e WAR) dont get the bonus that say a drg would get for using "their" primary weapon. WAR would get a WS bonus to GA, DRG polearm, DRK scythe, etc etc,whm get stheir new awesome WS replacing a lv 60 WS, everyone is happy. the end.

when that inadvertently further boosts shoha?

/sigh ive been a sam for a long time now and i really dont know what to make of shoha as far as how i feel about it, its nice that its strong... but my linkshell helped me put together a masa, yeah doesnt take long i know but when you multiply the total people who were there for me by the amount of actual time spent, thats alot of man hours (or women, we do have a few)

anyways i digress point being, people are now going to bandwagon to sam again... meanwhile my masamune has lost some significance to my worth as a samurai. (with its ftp modifiers its back to the hagun days with GKT save now its called kantonotachi)

Masamune still has some use at least, probably not as much in VW, but there's nothing wrong with Fudo for AM then using shoha on high defense mobs (unless your white damage is pretty nil). For stuff like new Nyzul it will still be beneficial to have Masamune. Of course Kogarasumaru is best GK now.

This humored me since I have 0/5 in it.
http://i396.photobucket.com/albums/p...Kaji/Shoha.jpg

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Originally Posted by Insaniac

BTW. The crit rate on Ukko's seems to be 15% now. Down from 30%. Even if you agree with the nerf that seems like overkill.

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So it was brought in line with the base crit rate of all other critical hit based WS and this is overkill. How do you figure that?

5% base crit rate would be overkill, this is just correcting a mistake.

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Originally Posted by tyrantsyn

You know Insaniac makes a good point here. These nerf's reduce's damage potential, which over all affects everyone. You my be here cheering about it now. But how are you going to feel when you lose that next fight by a mere margin when you could have won it before the nerf. These job class are suppose to all be improving, not degrading. And we need to be telling SE as a group that they need to fix the other job classes to bring them up to the bar, not bring other's down. Nerf's aren't fun, improvement's are.

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I'm a THF, we've been the butt monkey of FFXI since the very beginning. THF will always be on the bottom no matter what so I'm not worried.

Watching WAR and MNK suffer however brings me great joy and it's totally worth the slim chance that SE might toss out a nerf to THF that really wouldn't change our lot in any meaningful way anyway.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

So it was brought in line with the base crit rate of all other critical hit based WS and this is overkill. How do you figure that?

5% base crit rate would be overkill, this is just correcting a mistake.



I'm a THF, we've been the butt monkey of FFXI since the very beginning. THF will always be on the bottom no matter what so I'm not worried.

Watching WAR and MNK suffer however brings me great joy and it's totally worth the slim chance that SE might toss out a nerf to THF that really wouldn't change our lot in any meaningful way anyway.

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So let me get this right, you are very happy that WAR and MNK got nerfed, while THF still gets nothing, and WAR and MNK are still a better DD than THF and still won't want thf for anything more then TH?

I mean, have fun being 100% useless in one of the bigger end game events.

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Originally Posted by Nala

when that inadvertently further boosts shoha?

/sigh ive been a sam for a long time now and i really dont know what to make of shoha as far as how i feel about it, its nice that its strong... but my linkshell helped me put together a masa, yeah doesnt take long i know but when you multiply the total people who were there for me by the amount of actual time spent, thats alot of man hours (or women, we do have a few)

anyways i digress point being, people are now going to bandwagon to sam again... meanwhile my masamune has lost some significance to my worth as a samurai. (with its ftp modifiers its back to the hagun days with GKT save now its called kantonotachi)

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Thats what is rubbing everyone else raw too. They scream balance then go off and make a WS for sam that is better then fudo. I was put off sam back at 75 after hitting 75 I was forced on to it for all endgame events even dyna. My blu and drg were better geared and merited, while sam was just a fun job to level 37 to 75. I don't want to see those days return. So I got the double whammy of getting forced on a under merited/geared job while looking and feeling like a bandwagon sam even though I didn't level the job for endgame or even meriting.

in response to my post the other day, all jobs get a WS bonus to their main weapon, except SAM, since it obviously doesn't need it

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Originally Posted by loldrg

in response to my post the other day, all jobs get a WS bonus to their main weapon, except SAM, since it obviously doesn't need it

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what are you talking about?

last page, just scroll a bit to my post about a suggestion about the new mediocre WS's.

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

So it was brought in line with the base crit rate of all other critical hit based WS and this is overkill. How do you figure that?

5% base crit rate would be overkill, this is just correcting a mistake.



I'm a THF, we've been the butt monkey of FFXI since the very beginning. THF will always be on the bottom no matter what so I'm not worried.

Watching WAR and MNK suffer however brings me great joy and it's totally worth the slim chance that SE might toss out a nerf to THF that really wouldn't change our lot in any meaningful way anyway.

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You've been hurt deeply by SE and I can tell, If I was there, i'd give you a blanket and a thing of hot cocoa and tell you everything going to be alright. /comfort

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Originally Posted by Atomic_Skull

So it was brought in line with the base crit rate of all other critical hit based WS and this is overkill. How do you figure that?

5% base crit rate would be overkill, this is just correcting a mistake.

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Chant has to compete with lolVorpal blade. Ukko's has to compete with Raging Rush which is a very solid WS. I'm pretty sure that was the reasoning for the higher crit rate and overall damage on Ukko's. Ultimate WSs should crush the next best option by large margins. Ukko's at 15% crit rate doesn't beat RR by as much as it should. That's why I consider it overkill. 20%-40%-60% would be more reasonable imo.