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While that may be true, the point of this topic is to suggest/request that this is the direction they take the staves in.
In fact, we already know (due to the test server) that the direction SE took the staves in was poor, and due to our complaints they have actually removed the Elemental trials from the 95cap update next week until they can figure out what to do. (SE made the staves +6 and +0, for example, +6 affinity with +0 accuracy, essentially making those staves worthless outside of magic burst on anything those staves are actually useful for)
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09-14-2011, 10:29 PMRearden
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09-14-2011, 11:33 PMDiviniusOh, I understand, and agree. My post was mostly just a counter-argument to people in this thread that are saying things like "Obviously SE doesn't plan to combine staves, since they haven't done it yet. They feel it would make them too powerful." I was simply proposing an alternate (and in my opinion, more probable) reason why SE may have not considered a staff combination trial as of yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rearden
Like you and most all others, I sincerely hope that when the time comes, SE does choose to add a trial (or other method) that will allow the combination of multiple elements into one staff, if you have all of the single element ones completed. I will officially add in my vote, that this is an excellent idea, and should be implemented. -
09-15-2011, 12:56 AMAlhanelemI don't "Have an in with the devs." it is an inference, or hypothesis, if you will, about what they may be thinking, based on previous statements by the community team about things they are/aren't willing/able to do. It is NOT intended to be treated as an absolute fact. That said, I personally think that if they were ever going to give us a universal magic boost staff, that they would have done it by now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuishen
1) I wouldn't agree that "most mythics are s&#t
2) They don't "continue to do this", and the mythics are not melee based. Anyone who expected ANY relic/mythic/empyrean to undergo some kind of radical transformation was expecting too much and should know by know that it is unusual for SE to make such drastic changes to something (note "unusual", not "never done"
3) They are actually changing this, last I heard.
Not "everyone" disagrees with me. Many people, as it turned out, misunderstood me, because i was actually agreeing with them about a universal staff being a good idea (the actual topic.) If you do not want to hear about something that I post about, then DO NOT ENGAGE ME ON IT! However, you're so determined to convince me that I'm wrong about anything and everything, that you seem to be unable to resist engaging me. That's not my problem.Quote:
Noone wants to hear your explanation of why SE won't do anything 50 times in one thread. Are you allowed to say it? Of course, but once is enough, and when everyone in the thread disagrees with you for the next 5 pages, its time to bow out and let people discuss what they want to discuss, instead of continuing an argument that is obviously going nowhere.
In case people STILL don't get it: I completely support and agree with the idea of a universal magic staff. I always did and still do. I ONLY was trying to offer an explanation as to why it isn't being done, and you all assumed that I was disagreeing with the OP because you assume I disagree with everything when I don't. Here's a summary of what happens.
1) I comment on a thread
2) Someone misunderstands the comment, assumes I completely disagree with a statement, and tries to prove me wrong about it usually in an aggressive, offensive manner, under the false pretense that I actually disagreed in the firsit place.
3) I defend myself
4) I continue to be attacked and argued against
5) repeat steps 3 and 4
6) Crap like this happens.
People refuse to take their own advice when they are as much responsible for the situation. if you think something I said is full of crap and you can't be civil about it, then don't respond. You have as much power to end a conversation as I do. -
09-15-2011, 01:04 AMMeyi
I would like to ask you to refrain from hypothesizing what Square Enix is thinking then, please. If you have some insightful knowledge into how the Dev team is thinking we would be thrilled to hear it. However, as you have stated that you have no such insight, then stop. None of your posts indicate that you are hypothesizing, it sounds as if it's all being declared as fact.
When you do not know something for certain, or when you are speculating, a term similar to "I think" is used. However none of the posts sprinkled throughout this thread have had any inkling of speculating.
If you agree with the OP, then stop arguing. State that you like the idea and move on. Arguing with someone you agree with is stupid. -
09-15-2011, 01:16 AMAlhanelemI did. I said "In my view, this is how they see it" several pages ago.Quote:
When you do not know something for certain, or when you are speculating, a term similar to "I think"
I couldn't agree more. But it's difficult to stop when half the forum keeps trolling you and/or doesn't actually seem to see that you agree. If I'm being attacked, it's an instincitve reaction for me to defend myself. Frankly I think this is most such people enjoying breaking me down for their own amusement, because if they didn't enjoy it, I would think it would make the most sense to stop. I myself do not get jollies from arguing, but it is difficult to break away when people put you on the defensive, because doing so sends an inaccurate message of how you really feel.Quote:
State that you like the idea and move on. Arguing with someone you agree with is stupid.
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09-15-2011, 01:21 AMEurellQuote:
Originally Posted by Eurell
Hmm, I just read through the topic, Im not sure how I missed these "many people". Oh, nvm, I missed it becausse they didnt say anything. So you're just assuming people are misunderstanding you, as opposed to disagreeing not only with the things you say, but how you say them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
How many times have I responded to you? This is maybe the 3rd since the creation of this forum? I didn't even say that you were wrong is the funny part (aside from trying to tell us what SE thinks). I said you can say w/e you want, but maybe, for the sake of the forum, the thread, and everyone's sanity, stop posting when it's obviously just going to cause arguments.Quote:
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Idk, maybe I'm reading into it wrong here, but the YELLING IN CAPS doesn't seem very civil to me. So maybe take your own advice (and mine, we agree!) and stop responding. -
09-15-2011, 01:24 AMEurellPosted as I was, or I would've made one response. I understand wanting to defend yourself if you feel attacked. What I don't agree with is your last sentence there. If you simply stopped responding and feeding into it all, people wouldn't know how you feel, nor would they care, because you stopped, and the argument is over. If you're convinced people are just trolling you (some are, some aren't) maybe be the bigger man and stop feeding them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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09-15-2011, 01:32 AMAlhanelem
Well I didn't want to specifically say it, but that "inaccurate message" you're sending is "I'm wrong, you're right." But, I guess there's no way to leave a conversation without effectively saying that. You do not want to stop when you feel you are being misunderstood, as I often am. So I continue, trying to restate my perspective in a way that people will understand. That's no easy task though. Everyone just decides that I'm against anything and everything and responds to me under that assumption. but when I am misunderstood this way, people call it "backpedaling." I'm not backpedaling, I'm trying a different way of saying something in the hope that you will understand it.
Not specifically directed at you, but generically at all of the respondents who trolled me for 4 pages. I'm not singling you out nor did I intend for you to feel like the sole target of the post.Quote:
How many times have I responded to you? This is maybe the 3rd since the creation of this forum?
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09-15-2011, 01:49 AMVivik
-Anyone who does not agree with you is a troll
-Your wording of the majority of your posts is presented as facts
-Nobody likes a know-it-all
- You start off almost every post with trying to make the person you're quoting feel inferior
- You argue about everything and anything (even about whether you are arguing or not)
- Almost every thread you post in ends up about you and how everyone is not understanding because we are in some way dumber than you. ( starting to think that's by design)
If I missed anything I'll edit my post but this sums up pretty much how I view you. Not a personal attack, just the way I see it. I'm also not gonna say I have never trolled you, but you deserved it. -
09-15-2011, 02:02 AMWinriethat pretty much sums it upQuote:
Originally Posted by Vivik
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09-15-2011, 02:36 AMAlhanelem------Quote:
-Anyone who does not agree with you is a troll
False. Only people who personally attack me and continue to bait responses from me are trolls. Disagreement itself is not necessarily trolling.
-Your wording of the majority of your posts is presented as facts
This is false. I do not present opinions as facts. Any appearance of this is never intended, and a polite request can clear it up.
-Nobody likes a know-it-all
I'm not a know-it-all (Or at least, it is not my intention to come off this way)
- You start off almost every post with trying to make the person you're quoting feel inferior
I'm sorry if something I said makes you feel inferior, but I do not do this, and I do not specifically start posts in such a way as to do this.
- You argue about everything and anything (even about whether you are arguing or not)
I can be argumentitive, but I do not argue about everything and anything. There's a difference between argument and discussion.
While this IS about not being understood, it is NOT about anyone being "dumber" than me (which I have never, ever said). I have a neurological disability known as Aspbergers. What comes with it is extreme social difficulties and difficulty in expressing myself with clarity. I do not want to make anyone feel dumb, and I do not want to offend anyone. This simply comes about as I struggle to grasp everyday social nuances most of you take for granted. People like me are often highly intelligent but have difficulty expressing their thoughts to others.Quote:
Almost every thread you post in ends up about you and how everyone is not understanding because we are in some way dumber than you.
(I'm almost sure it was a mistake now to say that, as I will probably become the butt of some kind of disability joke. But I felt like that had to come out.) -
09-15-2011, 03:10 AMMeyi
I have to admit, I generally cannot stand people with Aspbergers or Autism because every single one I have met thus far has easily gotten under my skin with their rude behavior.
Constantly debating in every thread is no exception. If you have a social disability, then let us help clear it up for you; we don't appreciate the way you're dealing with the topics. If you disagree, that's perfectly acceptable and you're more than welcome to post it. Same with if you agree, you're more than welcome to post it. However, do try to keep the posts to a minimum unless new information is added. And by new I don't mean a different way of looking at it, I mean actual new information, such as maybe Square Enix having just released information, or perhaps an article you stumbled across that would help prove your point further, etc.
With these kinds of topics there really isn't a whole lot to debate. You either like the idea, or you don't. If this topic was more open to discussion then debating would be acceptable, but here...
I'm just tryin' to help you out Alhanelem. If you are sincere in trying to get along with the community and not turn everyone against you I know you'll take my advice. -
09-15-2011, 03:31 AMVivikYou can quote me and say FALSE! all you want. I'm not looking for your approval or disapproval on how I feel.Quote:
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09-15-2011, 03:40 AMSNKwut?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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I'm just being realistic.
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09-15-2011, 04:07 AMnoodles355LOLQuote:
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09-15-2011, 04:53 AMAlhanelemBy no means is it meant as an excuse, only as a bridge to better understanding. All I ask for is a little bit of patience, and of civility. Feel free to politely ask me to rephrase something or clarify a statement if you think I might be intending a different meaning than you've gathered, as this happens a lot. People like me have a very different thought process from the average person, so that is to be expected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vivik
What isn't making sense to you with what you quoted?Quote:
wut?
With the advent of the empyrean armor, Summoner only needs a few things in a staff (only considering real existing staves), and a small number of them have a few optional wants as well.
-Cure potency (light staff)- the only elemental staff I regularly carry.
-Avatar attack and magic attack
-summoning magic skill is also nice
Things that are not required on a staff-
-Avatar perpetuation- If you have the empyrean set, an evoker's ring, and other perpetuation gear that you would wear anyway, you can easily negate perpetuation cost and use a staff that has none but has
-Healing MP: Does anyone really ever have to sit and rest anymore? There is so much MP recovery available in this game now that resting for MP is rare in my personal experience (Not to be taken as an absolute fact). I usually don't carry a pluto's staff around anymore on summoner because it is simply quite rare for me to ever need to rest. -
09-15-2011, 04:58 AMModoru
Aspergers?
...Please don't end up like Rosina, mate. Just, don't.
That's all I'm going to say. -
09-15-2011, 05:06 AMAlhanelemDon't know any Rosinas. Don't try to take this out of context or make it sound like something it isn't. We are reasonable, intelligent people who just suck terribly at social interaction aka interpersonal skills.Quote:
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09-15-2011, 05:11 AMRearden
Please do the intelligent thing then; when you disagree with something, state your piece and move on. It's okay to disagree, but the level you take it often derails threads and doesn't serve to move the topic any further.
In the case of this thread, we get that you don't agree with us, but you aren't SE, so arguing SE's point of view when SE has no point of view and in this case has actually admitted what they thought was a good idea wasn't, then it's time to move on. -
09-15-2011, 05:11 AMRaksha
In reply to my idea about adding obi effect to staves:
Best case scenario you'd pick up some MAB and/or INT. Would adding 5MAB to the magian staves be overpowered? I doubt it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
Rather than just ratcheting up the +affinity on the staves all the way to lvl99, it'd be nice to vary the effects a little (like they did with the last update by adding -cast/recast time). Adding obi bonus sounds like a good, different effect. -
09-15-2011, 12:06 PMOrson
I'd love to see this happen even if it's through Synergy.
Preferably I'd just like to see the staves from Trials of the Magians combine. As some people said trade Indra's Staff + Vayu's Staff + some addition trophy items from NMs = Transfixion Staff. Then you could combine Transfixion Staff + Fusion Staff + Trophy items = Light Staff and then Light staff + Dark staff + trophy items = Prismatic Staff. Seriously SE make this happen it's a huge time sink but people would love to do it and it still forces everyone to complete all the different staves. -
09-15-2011, 12:06 PMEconomizer
Ignoring the drama, a few thoughts:
The best reason I can think for this is that SE had a mix of wanting RDM to melee with a Sword/Dagger, and that they thought Red Mage with Spirit Taker would be too powerful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kuishen
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I think that if SE does make universal Staves - aside from merging the Affinity staves of the same element like they should - it will involve getting some more universal staff to merge them to.
For example, getting Nirvana is hard, and although getting all the avatar perp staves might be hard, I don't think SE should just let people merge them without a base. Bahamut's Staff or the Astral Signa would be a good base for this.
For magic damage, they should make the Mythics for Black Mage and Scholar have various amounts of affinity on them. But also, SE should allow someone to merge all the trial staves onto a Dorje, or some similar staff.
Getting a universal anything in this game has always been hard unless it doesn't give a lot of power, partially because inventory is also a resource in this game we have to manage. An item that does more is worth more then other items, undoubtedly, even if it just matches what a handful of items do. Perhaps the base items to do these things should be easier to get then I suggest, but ultimately, there will be some sort of quest to bind or upgrade anything in the manner people want, it would be pretty unreasonable to expect otherwise. -
09-15-2011, 01:05 PMAlhanelemYou and the 6 people who like your post might not, but you don't speak for every user on this forum any more than I speak for SE. You obviously didn't figure out yet that it was merely my opinion of what I think SE is seeing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tarage
I will post on this forum all I want and you can't do anything about it. No one likes a flamer or a troll any more than they like someone in my position.
I'm not using it as a crutch. I'm saying it in the effort of allowing people to understand me better. I did not and will not use it as an excuse.Quote:
You know what? You don't need to double post about how much you hate me and have your 6 friends like both posts. If you really hate me that much, why don't you just use that convinent ignore list feature? Never see a post you don't like again. Something tells me you don't because you'd rather spend your time flaming me, but maybe you'll prove me wrong.
At least the majority of users here are levelheaded enough not to atttack people on a personal level. -
09-15-2011, 01:25 PMYuglAnd your solution is to attack him and six others on a personal level? Nice work.Quote:
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09-15-2011, 01:33 PMAlhanelemExcept that's not what I did, because I didn't name him or anyone else. Do you really need to keep picking my words apart?Quote:
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You might also specify exactly where I made a personal attack that specifically named a certain user, and how I could express that statement differently? -
09-15-2011, 01:40 PMYuglQuote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
You quoted him. You responded with the word "You" in several instances. You refer to the six people who liked his post in two instances. But I guess since you didn't name him, so that means you weren't talking to him. Btw, this post isn't referring to your post; it's about Rearden's post. You can tell by the way I specifically name him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
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09-15-2011, 01:44 PMAlhanelem
1st highlight is not a personal attack, nor is any instance of the word 'you'. I can see how the last sentence can be interpreted that way, but I was merely stating the impression I got from his posts and invited him to show me that it wasn't the impression I should have gotten.
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This is really getting to the point of absurdity. I'm not going to keep going on with this. If you have some problem with me, you've got an ignore list and you should use it. Failure to utilize it would mean you want to see my posts for whatever reason. -
09-15-2011, 01:51 PMYuglYou're a dumbass; prove me wrong.Quote:
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^ That wasn't a personal attack btw. It's just my impression and I invite you to show me that's the impression I shouldn't have gotten. -
09-15-2011, 02:05 PMAlhanelemInvitation accepted :) Just look any post of mine in the 10 top most threads in general right now as of the time of this post.Quote:
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And I'lm just going to allow you to decide for yourself. I'm not going to respond to any more posts in this thread. -
09-15-2011, 02:11 PMYuglWell my thread is number one and most of the posts here lead me to stick with my earlier conclusion. Thanks for accepting the opportunity to be assessed though.Quote:
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09-15-2011, 02:15 PMAlhanelemOk, I'll take the troll bait once again. First, I don't have a disease, I have a disability. Reporting your post for that insult. I only mentioned it once in the vain hope of better understanding. Not once did I ever use it as an excuse for anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rearden
Second, I didn't use it as an excuse.
Third, I don't "want to watch the world burn." I don't find any of the stuff going on here fun at all and I would like it to stop.
Fourth.
I meant any OTHER thread and you know it. Why would I point you to look at this thread while you're already reading it? I'm not a dumbass, and neither are you. You should know that the intention of my statement was to have you look at the other threads where I have made intelligent and/or non-controversial statements to show you that I'm not a "dumbass" nor someone who enjoys this sort of thing.Quote:
Well my thread is number one and most of the posts here lead me to stick with my earlier conclusion. Thanks for accepting the opportunity to be assessed though.
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09-15-2011, 02:31 PMReardenTroll bait? Is that a personal attack? I am merely stating my ideas and thoughts and drawing my conclusions from what you are saying. If you don't find it fun and want to resist the urge, no one is forcing you to keep posting here - you are making that conscious decision yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
As for definition of disease or disorder, that is subjective and more accurately it is a personal preference for verbiage. I'll let the definitions here hi-light what I mean.
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Asperger syndrome or Asperger's syndrome or Asperger disorder is an autism spectrum disorder that is characterized by significant difficulties in social interaction, along with restricted and repetitive patterns of behavior and interests.
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A disability may be physical, cognitive, mental, sensory, emotional, developmental or some combination of these.
Disabilities is an umbrella term, covering impairments, activity limitations, and participation restrictions. An impairment is a problem in body function or structure; an activity limitation is a difficulty encountered by an individual in executing a task or action; while a participation restriction is a problem experienced by an individual in involvement in life situations.
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A disease is an abnormal condition affecting the body of an organism. It is often construed to be a medical condition associated with specific symptoms and signs. It may be caused by external factors, such as infectious disease, or it may be caused by internal dysfunctions, such as autoimmune diseases. In humans, "disease" is often used more broadly to refer to any condition that causes pain, dysfunction, distress, social problems, and/or death to the person afflicted, or similar problems for those in contact with the person. In this broader sense, it sometimes includes injuries, disabilities, disorders, syndromes, infections, isolated symptoms, deviant behaviors, and atypical variations of structure and function, while in other contexts and for other purposes these may be considered distinguishable categories. Diseases usually affect people not only physically, but also emotionally, as contracting and living with many diseases can alter one's perspective on life, and their personality.
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09-15-2011, 02:36 PMSekundes
Ignoring the majority of this thread being derailed...
I approve of the OP's topic and think that many of the ideas presented would provide a benefit without being over powered. While I prefer a prismatic staff I could accept a light-based elementals and a dark-based elementals. Mage inventory is already a huge issue and even this isn't going to fix everything. Despite the arguments brought against it I think that considering the work load involved that it is going to be something that has to be earned by doing basically every damn trial and the possibly another to fuse them... That is a ton of work and would force me to do trials I hadn't intended to do in the first place.
Alhanelem, you should make a choice. Do you want to get along with others on this forum or not? You say that people are attacking you but perhaps you've missed why. There is a way you should present an argument or a disagreement and the way you've done so tends to piss people off. I don't particularly care for it either. I'm not sure if the whole devil's advocate thing is just in your nature or if you really just have a hard time saying what you mean but either way... Look at the avalanche of negative responses to what you post and think on it before you continue. These arguments are a two way street and other's are taking your bate as much as you theirs.
I don't want to read through 12 pages of people arguing with you. The personal bickering should take place via PMs or make a new thread for it. I think the majority of us would appreciate an adult conversation. -
09-15-2011, 02:36 PMYuglSo you want me to selectively hunt for evidence towards your point and ignore all statements to the contrary?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem