The test server is more fun than the real game.

whats a test server anyway and how i connect to it

Why on earth would a ninja use shihei unless they're soloing or in a lowman group against something that actually poses a threat?

If you are casting you ain't bashing! Less powder, more pounder!

That's all I got =/

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Originally Posted by Tsukino_Kaji

Just think of all that fun you'll be having after the updates when there's nothing to test.

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I'm hoping all of this gets me banned from the forums so I can't re aply to test server, get bored with retail and kick my FFXI addiction for good. But no content to test would be just as good a solution. I've tried working with the players, I've tried making suguestions to the devs, once it sinks in that no one gives a shit and I'll never get where I want to be it will be easier to move on. Especially now that I've been to the mountain top and seen how cool it is.

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Originally Posted by Inafking

I'm hoping all of this gets me banned from the forums so I can't re aply to test server, get bored with retail and kick my FFXI addiction for good. But no content to test would be just as good a solution. I've tried working with the players, I've tried making suguestions to the devs, once it sinks in that no one gives a shit and I'll never get where I want to be it will be easier to move on. Especially now that I've been to the mountain top and seen how cool it is.

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I hope this happens too.

You didn't even bother reading why your argument is very loose and, as much as I don't want to say it, wrong; did you?

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I'm hoping all of this gets me banned from the forums so I can't re aply to test server, get bored with retail and kick my FFXI addiction for good. But no content to test would be just as good a solution. I've tried working with the players, I've tried making suguestions to the devs, once it sinks in that no one gives a shit and I'll never get where I want to be it will be easier to move on. Especially now that I've been to the mountain top and seen how cool it is.

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One of the reasons why I like this game is that it's always a work in progress. There are things I don't like about that system, but then again I love to hate such things. Starting on top of the mountain once you enter the test server for me feels like I'm playing a different character. Like I'm looking at one person's work. While I think it's cool to look at other people's work I know that I really like to create something on my own. This game is filled with unreasonable challenges and ridiculous price tags on items you know you can't work without, but that's part of the charm I guess.

I get the idea that the devs do use the feedback they get from players, but there's only so much feedback they can get so they try to get the most important stuff out of the way. From FFXIAH's number of characters there's currently 300k active subscriptions, that's 300k potentional persons they can get feedback from and that's quite the intimidating number. Bully is revised like 3 times already, that's 3 times more than any other job ability would get over a such short time and it's not even out yet.

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I'm hoping all of this gets me banned from the forums so I can't re aply to test server, get bored with retail and kick my FFXI addiction for good. But no content to test would be just as good a solution. I've tried working with the players, I've tried making suguestions to the devs, once it sinks in that no one gives a shit and I'll never get where I want to be it will be easier to move on. Especially now that I've been to the mountain top and seen how cool it is.

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Outlook you have idk how you managed to play as long as you have.

OP: I've got a game that will satisfy your needs. It's called WoW. Nowadays, there are no skill ups, rarer armor drops more frequently, and all exp is basically handed to you on a silver platter. When I opened up my account again, it took me 3-4 days (with my inexperience at playing the game in general) to level from 1 to 55.

There is your solution, sir.

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Originally Posted by Modoru

You also forgot CoP/ToAU/ZM/WotG. All of which people need to do if they want Salvage, Temenos, Sky, Sea and such.

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All stuff that has a very low reward-to-investment ratio nowadays, both relative to Abyssea and in absolute terms.

Also, even though it isn't what the test server was intended for, I used it as a preview to certain builds I wanted to try out. It helped me narrow down what I want to work for in the future.

I'm going to drop red mage (for now), forgo my plans of leveling blue mage (tooooo maaaannnnyyyy speeeellllssss), and instead pick up Corsair and get my Dancer a Daka +2 (Being able to do 1500 damage OUTSIDE ABYSSEA with 100 TP made me happy, after all the time I've spent mocking the weapon). Instead of finding fun in the test server, use it as A TEST SERVER.

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Originally Posted by Ziyyigo-Tipyigo

All stuff that has a very low reward-to-investment ratio nowadays, both relative to Abyssea and in absolute terms.

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Depends, people still desire certain items, Suppa, Ethereal, Rajas ring, Tamas ring, not to mention people also desire the Atma of the Ultimate from proto-ultima, if I'm not mistaken...

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Tamas ring

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No. No no no no no.

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Originally Posted by cidbahamut

No. No no no no no.

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Just because you don't, doesn't mean others don't~.

That said, I obviously don't. I was just listing end-of-storyline rewards.

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No. No no no no no.

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Maybe if you have 0 melee characters. If not, I agree with cidbahamut.

If you ever, ever, intend to hit something with a weapon, you choose Rajas Ring. Tamas Ring does nothing for you other than free up an inventory slot which you should be filling with a superior ring anyway.

Happy medium is what FFXI is now. I remember when it took a week to get from 74 to 75, exp is way too easy now. "You get soo many players saying "Im bored cos I dont have any imagination" I was talking to an ex player about skillchains, something that seems long gone (Please SE make some skillchain trials to make people party again lol or better still make it part of getting a limit break)(joking incase someone thinks its serious cos I know some certain tinhat persons would believe it) Suddenly the rush of exp to get a level 90 job doesnt really seem worth the loss of game play that we used to have. Were are all the skills in making parties gone, dont need any of those any more. Chains of 230 mobs were not unheard of. This madness of abyssea has lost something and I dont know how we get it back.

Anyone who wants a raise 3 can buy me the spell. Why would I waste a million on something that isnt useful for me. Now a million on Ni...hmm Id think about it, then go duo the bcnm to get one or two or three lol

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Ah Ijust remembered why the lazy people dont do BCNMs, Abyssea dont drop beastmen seals.

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Originally Posted by katz

Ah Ijust remembered why the lazy people dont do BCNMs, Abyssea dont drop beastmen seals.

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Not a good excuse for them now-a-days either. Kindred Crests can be traded in for beastman seals!

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Not a good excuse for them now-a-days either. Kindred Crests can be traded in for beastman seals!

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I don't know about you, but a lot of people seem to prefer Royal Jelly, Under Observation or Up In Arms. All of which I've done a ton of times before and no longer poses as a challenge for me so I prefer doing something else and I'm sure I'm not the only one feeling like that. I think it's stuff like that, long traveling to the BCNM and low drop rates are keeping the pricetag on Ni so high. As for Raise III I have no clue why that spell isn't cheaper as it means less than Ni and can be soloed, maybe it's because of the weight switchs in Quicksand Caves that are keeping it at that level.

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No. No no no no no.

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Three mage jobs, one melee job.... my choice was obvious. I got a tamas ring and never looked back.
There's a lot more useful rings for melee job than mages I fine. At least the ones I play. I absolutely detest HP to MP gear. Only reason I own a bifrost ring is because some one gave to me for WHM.

Tamas Ring was certainly lovely when stat rings only went up to 5. And even up to the point where +6 stat rings were added. But... I think the ring's time has passed since it's not really a space saver anymore because there are many superior options out there.

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Three mage jobs, one melee job.... my choice was obvious. I got a tamas ring and never looked back.
There's a lot more useful rings for melee job than mages I fine. At least the ones I play. I absolutely detest HP to MP gear. Only reason I own a bifrost ring is because some one gave to me for WHM.

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Rajas does more for ... pretty much every melee in some way than tamas will ever do for 3 mages. This was true at 75 cap, still true at 90 cap.

Tamas is rubbish. Tamas was always rubbish. Rajas is just about surgically attached to your finger if you're swinging a weapon.

You made a poor decision.

Rajas really isn't as good as people make it out to be. Only 2~5 Dex and Str. Subtle blow can kiss my ass for accuracy buffs or damage buffs, and store tp should never be enough of an issue if you're meleeing correctly. Especially as a dancer or thief or anything else that unrelentingly pounds on a target.


That being said, I would use it on Samurai, if I used it as more than a sub job.

Except 5STR and 5DEX in a ring slot does more for you than 7DEX or 7STR in the same slot in nearly every imaginable situation on every imaginable melee job without even beginning to look at STP.

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Except 5STR and 5DEX in a ring slot does more for you than 7DEX or 7STR in the same slot in nearly every imaginable situation on every imaginable melee job without even beginning to look at STP.

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Rajas is an awesome ring, considering the vast majority of melee players gear is horrible though it doesn't make that much difference on its own though really. The ring for many is purely (or was) a status item for showing completion of CoP, so which job you use the most is the ring I would get.

Regardless you can swap and change every week now so doesn't matter which you pick, I went with tamas and was happy with it for years then went more melee and picked up a rajas due to store TP builds.

Oh god, not this crap again, i thought this died years ago. with the rajas vs tamas argument. tamas was "decent" at 75 if your only jobs were mages and you never played a meele job.

Rajas ring is best ring for anyone who actually swings a weapon. this is not debatable, ever. if a whm has a club out, and has an actual meele set, it will include a rajas, if you swing a weapon, rajas should be equiped, i cannot belive i am seeing this crap again. hopefully that took care of any further concerns.

if you do not understand the importence of store tp and subtle blow over, ( not even mentioning str and dex because that is self explanitory) let's face it, tamas stats aren't even worth mentioning because all of it is useless.

Hey... Tamas is just fine... you don't need anything if you don't want it... you may think the Rajas is better... doesn't mean everyone else has to.

ITT: Buyer's remorse.

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Hey... Tamas is just fine... you don't need anything if you don't want it... you may think the Rajas is better... doesn't mean everyone else has to.

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Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahahahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhahahahhahahaha.

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Hey... Tamas is just fine... you don't need anything if you don't want it... you may think the Rajas is better... doesn't mean everyone else has to.

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......Urge to killl....rising....

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Originally Posted by Rearden

Except 5STR and 5DEX in a ring slot does more for you than 7DEX or 7STR in the same slot in nearly every imaginable situation on every imaginable melee job without even beginning to look at STP.

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Because aneiros annulet and ring don't exist. LolBG. The truth is store TP is pretty useless nowadays. You spend your time turning your back until stuff procs...

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Because aneiros annulet and ring don't exist. LolBG. The truth is store TP is pretty useless nowadays. You spend your time turning your back until stuff procs...

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o_o.......breath...........breath....."inhales" ok.....no i can't do it i can't i';m backing out of this one. untill the rage subsides.

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Because aneiros annulet and ring don't exist. LolBG. The truth is store TP is pretty useless nowadays. You spend your time turning your back until stuff procs...

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Oneiros Annulet? How is a ring with -5 agi and +9 acc comparable with Rajas Ring? And how is Oneiros Ring comparable to Rajas Ring? Acc is hardly an issue these days, certainly not in abyssea. Oneiros Ring is useless unless you have at least 10 mp merits or sub a mage job. Oh it has +3 acc, woo-hoo?

Edit: funny how this thread went from test server v/s real game, to Rajas v/s Tamas, lol.

Pchan doesn't even believe the crap he spews. He's just still angry he was banned from BG so now he attacks BG Anyway he can, even if it means making himself look bad. He'll disagree with anything anyone from BG says just because he hates BG.

If someone from BG came and said "STR adds attack" he would immediately go on a tangent on how it clearly adds Evasion as it gives you the STR of heart to dodge attacks, immediately followed by lolBG.

I recall the Episode of Scrubs where Dr. Kelso showed the students how Dr.cox would disagree with him no matter what he said.

Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWh45qp3qxc Skip to 40 to know what im talking about.

Oh idk, I clearly use Rajas for the acc it offers. :D

Sattva represent!

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Sattva represent!

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Yes, clearly, according to him we probably should just toss our rajas and go ahead and get a sattva ring instead, because while we are turned around the AGI will help us evade more, and more HP? who wouldn't pick this ring.

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Edit: funny how this thread went from test server v/s real game, to Rajas v/s Tamas, lol.

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It happens every single time rajas and tamas is mentioned.

there will always be dumb asses who defend and think tamas is useful, it will never end.

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Because aneiros annulet and ring don't exist. LolBG. The truth is store TP is pretty useless nowadays. You spend your time turning your back until stuff procs...

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Everytime you post, I sense the entire world collectively losing IQ. It's as if billions of neurons cried out in terror and were suddenly silenced.

Please, forget how to use the internet or something for a few years, let us get back on our feet before you brain-drain us some more.

Hmmm...

In before lock.