in light of all the payment raging, (( must read ))

Seriously Korpg, stop posting and white knighting so hard for SE. It's a terrible solution to payments, end of story.

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Originally Posted by Draylo

Seriously Korpg, stop posting and white knighting so hard for SE. It's a terrible solution to payments, end of story.

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Yeah, this could end a lot of BLUs :P

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Originally Posted by Romanova

Also, stop trying to justify them, I don't trust them. You want to trust them? fine, go for it, but don't come down on others for not trusting them.

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You know, public perception is a very powerful thing. It can make companies do really great, and it can also ruin others.

Take Arthur Anderson for example. Good accounting firm, got some bad publicity with one of their clients, ended up dying even though the courts stated that they did nothing wrong. Pretty big company it was, it was considered one of the "Big 5" accounting firms at the time. Yet, when they had some pretty bad press, their company goes bankrupt in the matter of months.

Now, if Click and Buy was all as bad as you state it to be, as bad as anyone states it to be, would you think they would be in business today?

Edit: Viva la Revolution~!

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Originally Posted by Korpg

You know, public perception is a very powerful thing. It can make companies do really great, and it can also ruin others.

Take Arthur Anderson for example. Good accounting firm, got some bad publicity with one of their clients, ended up dying even though the courts stated that they did nothing wrong. Pretty big company it was, it was considered one of the "Big 5" accounting firms at the time. Yet, when they had some pretty bad press, their company goes bankrupt in the matter of months.

Now, if Click and Buy was all as bad as you state it to be, as bad as anyone states it to be, would you think they would be in business today?

Edit: Viva la Revolution~!

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Yes...because BoA and other major bank companies are still in business today and I can say first hand they do shady stuff as I used to work for them (an example is they had us signing people up for credit cards even when people said no, and that runs their credit).



BoA's and other bank executives flew in on private jets to come to congress to complain that their companies were going over and they needed money...and our government gave it to them.


You are insanely naive if you think a good reputation is the only way a company survives, and if a company is surviving that means it must be good.

And I 'm waiting for you to say you were wrong about the service being brand new...are you trying to ruin your reputation for being a man of your word?

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Originally Posted by Romanova

Yes...because BoA and other major bank companies are still in business today and I can say first hand they do shady stuff as I used to work for them (an example is they had us signing people up for credit cards even when people said no, and that runs their credit).

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Why didn't you report them?

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BoA's and other bank executives flew in on private jets to come to congress to complain that their companies were going over and they needed money...and our government gave it to them.

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Wait, you are saying that they bought the jets just to fly to Congress and ask for more money?

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You are insanely naive if you think a good reputation is the only way a company survives, and if a company is surviving that means it must be good.

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And you are insanely biased against companies if you think otherwise. I know that not every company is a shining example of each other, I know that fraud occurs and companies go out of businesses because of theft and embezzlement every year. Yet, for a company to stay profitable for extended periods of time, they have to deal with ethical behavior. And I'm talking about the kind of ethical behavior like walking that little old lady across the street type of behavior, not the kind that you associate with businesses and ethics. Businesses can not survive by screwing people over, like you have accused Click and Buy from doing.

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And I 'm waiting for you to say you were wrong about the service being brand new...are you trying to ruin your reputation for being a man of your word?

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You know I meant brand new for FFXI. Since this is a FFXI forum, and the subject matter has to be FFXI (as stated on the ToS you and I have agreed upon) then it is reasonable enough to assume that we are talking about FFXI.

As for FFXIV, I don't play that game, and I don't plan on playing that game unless there is something about it that attracts me into it. Therefor, I don't know anything about that game, because I don't associate myself with that game. How in the heck was I supposed to know anything about payment methods for a game I don't play?

so :safeface: and you know nothing of what happened during the bank bailout.

whether you only played ffX14 is irrelevant, you kept stating they probably needed to add this service because of things that had happened this year, when the service already existed and was already planned on being added to ffxi over a year ago. You just can't admit you were wrong and didn't know this system has existed for quite awhile. trying to make excuses doesn't change the fact you claimed you'd retract your statement if I told you otherwise, which I did, and then you won't do.

keep on backpedaling though.

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Businesses can not survive by screwing people over, like you have accused Click and Buy from doing.

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You heard it here first, guys. News Corp. is going DOWN. There's NO WAY they'll survive after what they did, this guy knows. He knows.

Korpg, this is why no one was willing to give you another shot on AH.com -_-

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Originally Posted by Romanova

so :safeface: and you know nothing of what happened during the bank bailout.

whether you only played ffX14 is irrelevant, you kept stating they probably needed to add this service because of things that had happened this year, when the service already existed and was already planned on being added to ffxi over a year ago. You just can't admit you were wrong and didn't know this system has existed for quite awhile. trying to make excuses doesn't change the fact you claimed you'd retract your statement if I told you otherwise, which I did, and then you won't do.

keep on backpedaling though.

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Then enlighten everyone on your version of the events.

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Originally Posted by Sp1cyryan

Korpg, this is why no one was willing to give you another shot on AH.com -_-

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Jokes on yall, I have been back there and posting for months now. You guys actually like me by the looks of it.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Jokes on yall, I have been back there and posting for months now. You guys actually like me by the looks of it.

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Wouldn't the joke still be on you because the community didn't like you until you did not act like yourself?

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Originally Posted by Sp1cyryan

Wouldn't the joke still be on you because the community didn't like you until you did not act like yourself?

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I haven't changed my attitude, just some wording.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

Then enlighten everyone on your version of the events.

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...I already did?

I'm not repeating myself because you follow a conversation with the memory of a goldfish.

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Originally Posted by Romanova

...I already did?

I'm not repeating myself because you follow a conversation with the memory of a goldfish.

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Oh, you mean your personal observations of fraud happening and you not doing anything about it?

I meant your personal ideas of the banking crisis....

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Originally Posted by Romanova

...I already did?

I'm not repeating myself because you follow a conversation with the memory of a goldfish.

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I lol'd a bit. ty :P

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Oh, you mean your personal observations of fraud happening and you not doing anything about it?

I meant your personal ideas of the banking crisis....

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He needs something he can say to the teacher to sound smart in civics & economics tomorrow.

I'm sure they already bribed some SE businessmen so they could collect their fees off the players who don't read the 8 different FAQs that have been scattered across the far reaches of the Earth so no amount of complaining will change their minds since they probably already signed some contract in virgin blood.

wow... what a derail of the real issue at hand.

JP Region is getting everything implemented together, while the rest of us are getting singled out and denied the more favorable option. THIS is what we need to be taking SE to task for. Yes, C&B is questionable for many--the bigger point is that we are getting forced to choose between them or going the Crysta route--while JP regionals can continue on as before. Really trying not to do the whole rage post spam everywhere...just gonna link the big wall I posted in another of the threads:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post157135

tldr: JP Region is just being effected by the increased cost due to shifting from a monthly cycle to a 30-day cycle--they maintain 3DS and VbV option which we loose, AND they get all the new options as well. SE needs to fix this, or risk loosing revenue in the long run.

@Rosina,

I appreciate your loyalty to the game and to Square-Enix. Really, I do.

The rest of us, up till now, have been just as loyal as you. Some of us have played FFXI since it came out, and logged in countless hours. Some of us have been with Squaresoft since the original Final Fantasy, and played every game since then. We've leveled every job and craft, beaten every mission of every expansion and mini-expansion, and defeated every major Notorious Monster. Some go to conventions; the game is a topic of conversation in real-life even when we're not playing. We go to bed too late to get in a few more hours of play. One of the first things we do when we wake-up is log on, manage auctions, and one of the last things we do is log-off and bid our linkshell mates good night.

It is a big deal to us, and we just want you, and Square-Enix, to understand that we are upset and we have a right to be upset. A loyalty that is not returned is folly in its purest and most unrefined form. What it comes down to is this: they want us to use a two-bit hustler in a back alley as a go-between for payment, and they want us to overpay him to boot. Our answer, quite simply, is "Hell, no".

Over-reactions to game mechanic changes go ignored, and well they should be. But this is quite different. This is our hard-earned money. We are not bluffing. Go ahead, try us. But before you do, know that it is never a question of "What are my chances?" and always a question of "Can I afford to lose?"

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Originally Posted by Rosina

Pretty much everyone is raging over nothing. You do not have to use the "click and buy" option that is JUST for crysta. I repeat THAT IS JUST FOR CRYSTA. Go to the square enix website and there is INFACT a payment option to use your credit card. If you actually do some research you would know this. How did I find this out? I Also play final fantasy 14. And accidently hit the credit card payment.

Other options are set up a account with Ultimate pay. This website hosts those ultimate pay cards used by several online games And sell various amounts of points. They Mostly sell $10 or $20 cards in stores. You can also buy stuff on ultimate pay by using paypal. Just agai select the amount of points, $5 for every 500 points. having 10K points being a $100.

These are options one doesn't need to use "click and buy" from.

Please stop the raging over such a stupid thing. Instead of being lazy like the ff14 crowd please look into your options.

Thank you have a nice day.

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Stop giving dancers a bad name, my head hurts just trying to read through your stupid. Especially since you are apparently raging over people raging, which, you know, seems pretty hypocritical. Just a tad.

Also, FYI: your "accidental" solution is not a solution to the issues that most people are complaining about, AT ALL. Post #2 already illustrates why, if you still can't understand then lord help you because I don't think anyone else can.

Just because you don't mind the added inconvenience doesn't automatically make everyone else who thinks differently fearful of change or insignificant.

I just want to point out the irony of this too.

They are willing to lose an untold number of customers and revenue from a ridiculous billing system they are implementing, but are not willing to put the money into a new expansion which would draw people to the game.

Just thought I throw that one out there and see what I get.

You guys should probably take into account that Rosina never comes back and actually reads what others say in response. They've said the same line over and over again about how "ClickandBuy is only for Crysta, you can still pay directly with CC or paypal" (which we all know isn't true) and have been corrected at least a half dozen times BEFORE they created this thread to repeat the same line of BS.

All I learned from this thread is korpg blames me for the bank bailout. If only I had gone to the police to report the BoA cooperation, none of it would have happened. {Please forgive me.}

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Originally Posted by Romanova

All I learned from this thread is korpg blames me for the bank bailout. If only I had gone to the police to report the BoA cooperation, none of it would have happened. {Please forgive me.}

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I don't know where you get that whole "korpg blames me for the bank bailout." thing, I'm just asking why you didn't report fraud when it happened.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

I don't know where you get that whole "korpg blames me for the bank bailout." thing, I'm just asking why you didn't report fraud when it happened.

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The typical answer tends to be, "too much effort."

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The typical answer tends to be, "too much effort."

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I really hope that this isn't the answer in this case.

for those that haven't seen it yet (or otherwise forgot), here is the JP help page for the transfer, through Google Translate:
http://translate.googleusercontent.c...31aAKy-SQVuVrw

Scroll down to section 7. Notice it is basically to select payment method. It's graphics so not translated, but they get option for CC or Crysta--note it is just a standard MC/VISA logo. Now go to section 8b:If you choose a credit card. Note that they can put their CC information directly in, and also note the 3DS and VbV logos in the lower panel. Also note the text under those graphics that did translate:

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「クレジットカード」「Crysta」から利用されるお支払方法を選択し、「次へ」をクリックしてください。 "Credit card" "Crysta" and select the payment method used by "Next" Please click on.

※ ※ 「クレジットカード」は、Visa、MasterCardの本人認証サービス（3Dセキュア）に対応したカードがご利用いただけます。 "Credit Card", Visa, personal authentication services for MasterCard (3D Secure) available card with.

※ ※ 「Crysta」はVisa、MasterCard、JCBの本人認証サービス（3Dセキュア）に対応したクレジットカード、およびウェブマネーでチャージすることができます。 "Crysta" are Visa, MasterCard, personal authentication services for JCB (3D secure) credit card with you and to charge money on the web.

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クレジットカード番号、有効期限、セキュリティコードを入力し「次へ」をクリックしてください。 Credit card number, expiration date, security code, enter the "Next" please click on the.

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Essentially, they get to continue doing what we are doing now in addition to using Crysta.


Now, contrast that to what happens in the NA version:
http://www.playonline.com/homeus/polshift/help.html

At step 7, you get to choose either Crysta or Credit/Debit Card via Click and Buy--note that this step shows the C&B logo, not the generic Visa/MC like on the JP page. Now look at step 8b. You have to go through Click and Buy--no direct processing for 3DS or VbV cards.

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Originally Posted by Korpg

I don't know where you get that whole "korpg blames me for the bank bailout." thing, I'm just asking why you didn't report fraud when it happened.

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because it's a major cooperation? I'm not just talking about one particular branch here, this is what they taught us to do in training for all banks. About 3 months after being hired they stopped it because people were catching on. And about 9 months later there was like $3 bucks people got out of a settlement check.

That's how it works with companies like that.

And I don't get how that proves that BoA is a good company either so all of this is irrelevant.

Romanova is also responsible for the BP oil spill, the Bernie Madoff ponzi scheme, the News Corp hackings, AND the Sony hackings. Thanks a lot.

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for those that haven't seen it yet (or otherwise forgot), here is the JP help page for the transfer, through Google Translate:
http://translate.googleusercontent.c...31aAKy-SQVuVrw

Scroll down to section 7. Notice it is basically to select payment method. It's graphics so not translated, but they get option for CC or Crysta--note it is just a standard MC/VISA logo. Now go to section 8b:If you choose a credit card. Note that they can put their CC information directly in, and also note the 3DS and VbV logos in the lower panel. Also note the text under those graphics that did translate:



Essentially, they get to continue doing what we are doing now in addition to using Crysta.


Now, contrast that to what happens in the NA version:
http://www.playonline.com/homeus/polshift/help.html

At step 7, you get to choose either Crysta or Credit/Debit Card via Click and Buy--note that this step shows the C&B logo, not the generic Visa/MC like on the JP page. Now look at step 8b. You have to go through Click and Buy--no direct processing for 3DS or VbV cards.

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This is established and known, and it is why we have great cause to be up in arms. It is not like the system is not already in place. If they truly wanted to they could let us continue to be billed as we have been as is the case with the Japanese.

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Romanova is also responsible for the BP oil spill, the Bernie Madoff ponzi scheme, the News Corp hackings, AND the Sony hackings. Thanks a lot.

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I'm such a bad person ;_;

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Originally Posted by Sp1cyryan

This is established and known, and it is why we have great cause to be up in arms. It is not like the system is not already in place. If they truly wanted to they could let us continue to be billed as we have been as is the case with the Japanese.

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yes, but alot of these threads seem to be getting sidetracked from what the biggger issue is.

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Originally Posted by Romanova

I'm such a bad person ;_;

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You are if you did unethical things like signing up people to credit cards even though they denied you to do it.

And not reporting the bank to the authorities if that really happened.

in regards to this whole thread: wow.... 5 stars

all of you

I learned something new! Korpg is Captain America!


It all makes sense now.

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in regards to this whole thread: wow.... 5 stars

all of you

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yw :3

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Originally Posted by Romanova

I learned something new! Korpg is Captain America!
It all makes sense now.

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You know, if I didn't know you were being sarcastic, that is the nicest thing you have said to me, ever.

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Originally Posted by Puck

Romanova is also responsible for the BP oil spill, the Bernie Madoff ponzi scheme, the News Corp hackings, AND the Sony hackings. Thanks a lot.

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You left out the US Deficit Stand-off, which has nothing to do with our current problems....
...or does it?

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Originally Posted by Panthera

You left out the US Deficit Stand-off, which has nothing to do with our current problems....
...or does it?

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This is off topic, but it's really not a standoff. Politicians just playing theatre, no matter what they're going to end up raising the debt ceiling and our republican president will give republicans alll the cuts they want and the country will get 0 revenue increases.

I wanna move to Norway.

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You left out the US Deficit Stand-off, which has nothing to do with our current problems....
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I AM GEORGE BUSH

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Originally Posted by Rosina

and i just stated that there is infact a credit card option. >.> It is on their web site. Click and buy is just the direct way to buy crysta other the going through ultimate pay.

ALSO any and all time cards are not a mnth to mnth thing. You get incraments of several months. Similar with points. There is incrments of pay. You can't just simply buy 13.95. Even sony and 360 have cards that equal only $5 $10 $20

Just gotta suck it up, that is how those cards and point system work.
Just go to SE site and set up your credit card.

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Except had you actually bothered to try the direct payment option, you would have found that Click&Buy is the only method available to us. The JP by stark contrast, can still register their cards directly with SE and thus pay SE directly.


You might want to actually research things before starting a losing argument like this, lest you look like a jackass.

Seriously guys, rage moar?

Sorry for using internet speack but it is just a video game. If you do not like the new billing practices. Then simply do not play.

Sorry for the wrong info on my part, but honestly THE MAIN POINT was saying if you guys do some research, there are ways to pay for the game other then click and buy.

Crysta in a nutshell will be my payment. And I know how it works. Simply do this option instead of click and buy.

So yes you guys are just fearing change instead of looking into things. Sometimes you do not get what you want in life.

I will break down how crysta works, which is by far the safest option. Or do you not remember that SE was hacked twice before?

anyway $1= 100 crysta

if your account is say 15.95 a mnth, round this up to 16.00. that means you need at least 1600 crysta. look at the list of cryta amounts and pick the best option for what you want. I would just save up and get a $100 worth. Or simply use your credit card on paypal for the ultimate pay. This put 10,000 cysta on your account. And you will not have to toucvh to for several months. if a flat fee of $100 is simply not for you. just take your account fee round it to the nearest dollor then double or triple it. and pay two to three mnths in advance. It is very easy.

Also contact SE about your region. Stating click and buy don't work for you. Also do not blame se because of the country you live in. That is your regions fault for not hosting the game in the first place.
Simple put instead of raging just use the option you can and ask questions to the dev team.

No need for all this imaturaty over a video game. I only wanted to help you guys out. since there is no need for it.
Do not fault me for trying.