WARNING - New Players or Players thinking of coming back - Consider this first.

You need to stop. I use it which puts me outside the norm. I am done responding to your BS. Please stop trying to divert everyone's attention from issues that need to be addressed to make the game better.

I'm not the one derailing it...I'm just responding to you. I first posted in agreement to another poster against your negative comment to that post, and then this took off because of your refusal to admit simple logic. I reference the threads that were the catalyst:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post160955
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...l=1#post160853

Again, if you wan't it to stop... you need to stop, which you say you have. Hopefully that will hold true, as the record does show that these exisitng features can benefit users much like an in-game bulletin board could IF they would just use them.

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Originally Posted by Inafking

good luck getting "JP ONRY" to use Romaji so you can read / translate what they say.

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Have you tried? Doubtful, many japanese players are very good with you, if you put in some effort..

hmmm...interesting tidbit from a wiki about romaji:

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All Japanese who have attended elementary school since World War II have been taught to read and write romanized Japanese. Therefore, almost all Japanese are able to read and write Japanese using rōmaji.

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Idk how awkward it may be for them to type it through their FFXI client--but at least they can read your responses.

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hmmm...interesting tidbit from a wiki about romaji:


Idk how awkward it may be for them to type it through their FFXI client--but at least they can read your responses.

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Well, its not too bad, on most japanese keyboards, you can type using the English Alphabet (romaji) and it automatically turns it into the characters, then after a few quick clicks, can keep it on romaji. My computer is set to japanese mode, and there are keyboard shortcuts to keep it in a certain mode, such as katakana, romaji (direct input), Hiragana, the computer then brings up like a dictionary sub section where you choose which spelling (characters) you mean to use.. sounds confusing, but its very quite simple :)

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Have you tried?

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I have tried getting them to (Please use the auto-translate function.) 99% of the time the response is (no thanks).

Truthfully I'm not entirely convinced a Bulletin board is going to work.

If people don't help people shouting, and don't use /seacoms, what makes you think someones going to use the Bulletin board, when the rewards from it seem meh, and even so new players are forced to work for points to put up requests.

In theory one might think "New players help new players = points for their own request" in practice its "I'm out of points and i dont wanna do XXX so I'll just shout for 2 hours then quit the game" like it is now.

A Bulletin board would need more rewards than "Bulletin bux" points to post quests for it to be any better than shouting or /seacoms. Now, I know you explained it before, but can you explain to me again specifically what rewards someone would get from helping a new player?

If its nothing big, Then it won't fix the problem, I'll help new players when I can, but most people won't unless its rewarding to them, in the same light, a Bulletin board with little/no reward won't fix the problem at all, it'll just be a Chocobo Races-level Ghost town with the occasional nub quest posted.

Furthermore most new players can barely reach jeuno by level 18, How are they going to get to Port Jeuno to post a Quest for sub job items when they cant even get to Jeuno?

I think the Bulletin board should be linked to all nations similar to Auction house system for that example.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

If people don't help people shouting, and don't use /seacoms, what makes you think someones going to use the Bulletin board

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1 word (reward). They get gil, items, or the ability to post for their own help. But this is not the Buliten Board thread, anyone who wants to comment on that idea should do so there. This thread is about the problem, that thread is about the solution.

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxi/th...Bulliten-Board

I read that, And it still makes 0 sense.

What items? Beetle Jaws? Insect Wings? Potions?

How much gil?

The system would need to be pretty rewarding for your idea to work is what im saying. You think people who ignore noobs now will suddenly help them because theres a Fire Cluster in store for them? no.

You act like this game is full of assholes/people who won't help, and honestly expect those types of players to go out of their way for piddly rewards? This won't do anything but help the people who are already helping new players. In essence it won't add any new people to the system, just help those already using the system.

I.E its not a solution, unless the rewards were significant, at which point i don't think SE would implement it because they don't like giving us things like that. Knowing them helping someone complete their 18 cap quest will give you a Cotton Cloth (Get it, bogy's drop them)

Edit: I'm not bumping that thread, this one is relevant, and I'm talking about your posts here. Your idea is that bulletin board, and i don't think it will work. prove me wrong here, and then just copy it there.

I don't have access to all the data I need to balance it correctly. What I've posted is a general idea.

I'm simply trying to point out, You crucify the community for being selfish/unhelping, and expect a bulletin board with vague rewards to fix the problem.

The rewards would have to be substantial to get the kind of people you describe that inhabit this game to help a new player.

Where as SE usually has a very conservitave approach to these things, rewards would be piddly. They could simply introduce a new Augmenting System like they did with Expansions.

I.E Every quest earns you 10 "BULLETIN BUX", And you can buy a "Key" (to that coffer in tenshodo, a brand new key, not one linked to past expansions) That will give you an augmented piece of Armor or an Item reward.

For instance:

Lv.10kay - Grants an Augmented Armor in the level ~10 range. or a low value item
lv.30key - Grants an Augmented Armor in the level ~30 range. or a medium-low Value item
Lv.50Key - Grants an Augmented armor in the level range of ~50, or an Item of medium value.
Lv.75 Key- Grants an Augmented Armor in the level 75 range. Or a high value item.
Lv.90 key - Grants a Augmented armor in the level 90 range, or a Very high value item.

Key prices:

Lv10 - 5points
Lv30 - 10 points
Lv50 - 15 points
Lv75 - 20 points
lv90 - 30 points

Possible rewards:

Lv10 - Augmented Armor:
Scale Mail (HP+1~10 MP+1~10 Accuracy+1/2, Attack+1/2, Random Stat +1~2)
Doublet (MP+5~15 HmP+1~2 Random Stat +1~2)
Power Gi (DEX+1~2 Acc+1~2 VIT+1~2)
Bee Spatha (STR+1, DEX+1, AGI+1, VIT+1, Acc+1~2, Attack+1~2, Shield Skill+1~2)

Lv10 - Items
Potion +3
Ether +3
Reraiser
Elixir
Pet Food Alpha Biscuitx 3~6
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Lv.30 - Augmented Armor:
Eisenshuhs - (AGI+1~2, STR+1~2, HP+5~10, Shield Skill +1~2)
Seer's Slops - (hhp+1~2, MP+1~10, MND+1-2, INT+1-2, Magic Accuracy +1-2)
Soil Hachimaki - (HP+5~15 VIT+1-2 STR+1-2 DEX+1-2 Acc+1-3)

Lv.30 - Items
Hi-Potion+3
Hi-Ether+2
hi-reraise
Hi-Elixir
Silk Cloth x1~2
Petrified Log
Lesser Chigoe x1~2
Pet food Beta Biscuit x3~6
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Lv.50 - Augmented Armor:
Mythril Breastplate - (STR+2-3, DEX+2-3, Acc+2-3, Attack+2-3, Physical Damage taken -1/2%)
Shinobi Tekko - (Acc+2-3 Evasion+2-3 STR+2/3, AGI+2/3, Critical hit Rate +1)
Crow Slacks - (MND+2/3 INT+2/3, MP+10-15, Magic Attack Bonus +1/2)

Lv.50 - Items
Pro-ether +3
X-potion +3
Vile Elixir
Hi-Reraiser
Pet Food Delta Biscuit x3~6
Dawn Mulsum
Saltena x1-2
Elshena x1-2
Scream fungus x3~6

and so on.

The biggest reward would be the ability to post for your own help. That should be enough to motivate anyone. The gil / items are just a bonus / means of controling NM congestion.

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The biggest reward would be the ability to post for your own help. That should be enough to motivate anyone. The gil / items are just a bonus / means of controling NM congestion.

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Not if no one takes the quest? If no ones doing it whats the point of posting your own quest.

I'm trying to explain why this won't work. People don't just help people to post a bulletin, when most players can simply shout. noobs helping noobs rarely works out because theres so few of them. This would be targeted more at high level players helping newer players.

And high level players aren't going to go out of their way to help some guy with Sub job quest if the only real reward is being able to post his own quest, when he's probably better off shouting for people anyway.

Of course i'm not speaking of the players who already help others.

Edit: Seriously just trying to point out to you, you go on and on about how unhelpful people are, no one uses /seacom or auto-translate etc etc, what makes you think this Bulletin board is going to be the exception to the rule? I don't think it will. It wont get traffic and most people will ignore it.

Most high level players already have friends to help them, and theres really not a lot of quests high level players need to do that can't easily be done via shouts. So it'd just be a "noob helping noob" system, which also wouldn't fix the problem, because there are so very few new players it would still be a wasteland.

I mean its not without positives, but the "post your own quests!" reward is going to attract no one. It will be Chocobo races and Pankration all over. Wasted space in the game.

Again, Not saying your idea is BAD, Just saying its needs to be thought out much more. You yourself know the population of FFXI as well as all of us, and despite me actually helping people when i can, i know a lot of people wont without reward.

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Originally Posted by Karbuncle

If no ones doing it whats the point of posting your own quest. This would be targeted more at high level players helping newer players.

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The point would be to scale the amount of points one needs to post and gets as rewards in such a way that help could be distributed evenly. I don't have all the data for the exact balance but I can give you an example. People who need testamonys are helping people get G1, people who need G1 are helping with job quests, people who are doing job quests are heling with sub job items. But again, this all really belongs in the other thread. Especialy the augment suguestion. Please post there about the board. This is a thread about the problem, not the solution.

Edit: This is a solution to the clique system. There are people like me who are high level that don't like the way things are. Why aren't there more? Because they keep quiting. I haven't quit because of some attachment to Final Fantasy / mental illness I haven't put my finger on yet. Any normal person would have given up years ago.

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Originally Posted by Inafking

The point would be to scale the amount of points one needs to post and gets as rewards in such a way that help could be distributed evenly. I don't have all the data for the exact balance but I can give you an example. People who need testamonys are helping people get G1, people who need G1 are helping with job quests, people who are doing job quests are heling with sub job items. But again, this all really belongs in the other thread. Especialy the augment suguestion. Please post there about the board. This is a thread about the problem, not the solution.

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I understand your ideals/ideas on the subject, I just don't think it'd play out like you imagine unless there was some better rewards. Because otherwise most people wouldn't bother fiddling through low-level junk just to post their own request, when they could gamble with shouting.

Some players might take the Bulletin path, but most will simply shout and ignore it. I'm not saying i would, I'm only saying you have to see it as well, especially considering the population of FFXI.

A lot of people will help others, but thats sometimes not enough, if the goal is to truly help new players, there needs to be rewards for helping them. I don't ask for rewards, but the general populace will is what I'm saying, and to truly fix it, we need to appeal to that crowd.

I'll post that stuff over there.

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Originally Posted by Meyi

[...] So if you feel down because of soloing, do try to get into a GoV party when you can. If there are no GoV parties up, then do try to solo.

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... or to set the actually party you need to get it. That's what we call "entrepreneurship" : A person who organizes, operates, and assumes the risk for a business venture. (Read: experience points party venture).

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Originally Posted by RAIST

Use your server (and job) pages on the forums. Search Comment, Bazaar Comment, Auto-Translate.

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No one on any of the servers I've ever played on uses anything you've suguested.

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What makes you think that your "The Bulletin Board" will be used?

Equation: Rewards from Abyssea > WhoKnowsHowManyRewardsAreMoreValuable > Rewards from The Bulletin Board
The Bulletin Board will endup being ignored just like Ballista...


Learning to properly use the tools that are currently available for use to let other players knows about our interests before asking for other tools.

/seacom and /seacomup are not that difficult to use and can be macro-ed
source:
http://ffxi.gamerescape.com/wiki/Macro
http://ffxi.gamerescape.com/wiki/Command/seacom
http://ffxi.gamerescape.com/wiki/Command/seacomup

Final Fantasy XI Linkshell Community ß version is a good way to make people know about what you are interested in.
source:
http://fanzone.playonline.com/lscom/index.do
http://fanzone.playonline.com/ff11en/portal/manual.html

It's still on ß version because it is not used as much as it should be.

And again, I'm not mentioning all the other community websites that can be found in the Internet.



The focus in this matter should be about what players, from Fresh Newbies to Hardcore Veterans, have to do to find people with the same interest as them.
Everythings is not about asking other players for help but about finding players with commons interest towards certains activities in the game.

It is the responsability of the community to make the best use of these tools.

We shouldn't be saying: "I would like you to HELP me."
We should be saying: "I would us to COLLABORATE."

While i agree its the responsibility of the community to use the tools we have.

a New system that improves on the old and that may help/reward for help could be useful. Right now saddly, Vana'diel is not a utopian society, Some people will help you if you shout, but a lot of people do not want to help unless it benefits them.

We need to appeal to the players who are hesitant to help others. The rewards i listed above were for low level participants, if you didn't catch that they were leveled. There would be higher level rewards as well. The idea of his thread is to ease or create more tools for the community.

There are a lot of methods, But many go unused, you can't expect a new player to use the LS Community page to find help because its a ghost town, and old players won't start using it either. I admit the idea, if not properly fleshed out, will end up like chocobo Races, But with the right methods/rewards/ease it could be potentially useful.

OP is just a bit of a fool if he thinks the game is "unsoloable" or that you have to solo for any length of time past 10.

Just recently I made a thread on alla that's a terrific read for all newbs:
http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/forum.htm...521&howmany=50

Since that thread:

Grounds of Valor Book burning alliances have also become a new path to leveling and are almost ALWAYS running and looking for low level players as Syncs. Stand by a book with your flag raised.

At 60+ Campaign has been altered to be a great solo leveling tool and mildly decent source of income with Union Spoils.

Also, Leeching a VW run with some random people, or making your own at higher levels can yield decent EXP in short order.

Things have changed so much that the people who say soloing is some kind of difficult or the game is "unsoloable" are just whiny tools.

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Why don't you actually do something in the game before you tell us how easy it is.

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I think this comment is well...........uncalled for.

Getting help depends a lot on your attitude, and this kind of comment doesn't help your cause at all. Saying please and thank you and being just a tad civil goes a long way. There are still quite a few people who will gladly help other players out with almost anything for no reward other than it gave them pleasure to do so.

When asking for help, you also need to make sure you are ready to go AND know what you are about to do and where you are going. Nothing is more irritating than having someone ask for help, then when someone says "sure"! You ready? And you say, oh, I have to go to the store, gotta feed the cat, kids, take the dog for a walk, and I need to do 10 cs's (well maybe not that many, but not far off in some cases) before I am ready, brb and 2 hours later you're still gone, come back and get mad because they didn't wait for you.

Many things in game can be solo'd and if you show people some initiative to do what you can on your own instead of complaining, they might be more inclined to help you with the things you can't solo.

Not sure a bulletin board would help tbh. I certainly wouldn't read or use it. I do agree that /seacoms are not read, at least, not these days. I can attest to that when I have put up a /seacom that specifically states Party? No Thanks? and they still ask..........

Best choice overall would be to make some friends who have like interests that you can buddy around with help one another and perhaps others.

eh... I get tells for party when I'm already in party.

The point I was trying to make earlier is that /seacom is used and does work for some, so to patently write it off as not working and no one uses it is technically false. And it's really easy to use... you can macro them very easily for something you routinely put up. To search a category, you can just type /sea all <enter>, <enter> and scroll to the category you want to filter. Searched last night in fact and had 73 users with translated text in the others (most of them were magian trials, people still tend to use others and not magian on my server, only 2 listed under magian). A good bit of those may have actually been JP because they had the funky font for the numbers and the PS2 button shapes also.

The bigger issue I think is getting people to use ANY of the grouping resources. Regardless if it is the current resources or something new added--people just don't seem to be inclined to use them. Maybe it's because they see Shout (and now Yell) being used so much and it appears to be the way everyone else is doing it. When in Rome......

Oh, and for the new users who are unfamiliar with what we are talking about when we reference /seacom:
http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Th...earch_Comments
(note: /seacom also has a shorthand command of just /sc so when you set up macros and such you can use /sc 1 instead of /seacom 1)

My main problem with /seacom is the lack of categories.
Example, let's say /seacom was much more popular than it is right now.
If I wanted to find people for CoP 3-5, I'd have to wade through every "Mission" search comment, looking specifically for this fight or anyone near it. Even if only 20-30 people had seacoms up, this would take a while and wouldn't likely be productive.
Not to mention, making my own would be just as annoying for others to find me. Search comments are also very passive, as it requires someone ELSE to think "Oh, I want to do this mission! Let me check if anyone has it in their search comment."
This is why people resort to shouts.

Shouting not only is easier, but will cause some people to join you without having thought of doing that mission themselves.
An example using what I said earlier, if I shouted that I was recruiting people for CoP 3-5, there's a higher chance of someone seeing the shout and thinking "Oh, I need that mission, I should see if I can join." or similar.
Which, is actually how I got Divine Might done. I saw a shout in Jeuno and decided to join. I had zero plans on doing Divine Might that morning.

I can't think of any better systems to "replace" seacom or shouts, but still, I can see why shouts are more commonly used, being a lot less passive.

As far as the topic goes, noobs who think this game is hard at low levels should probably quit ASAP.
This game no longer has any difficulty for leveling, so I'm not sure what the OP is complaining about.
Solo til about 15 [which takes no time at all with new exp rules and FoV/GoV].
Do a /sea gusgen
^This will show you how many people are in Gusgen Mines, a popular low-level Ground of Valor party location on most servers.
Player names in white are people without a party, gold are party leaders, and blue are people in a party.
If most of the search turns up gold/blue and there are a bunch of [fairly] low level people, it's likely there is a GoV party going on.
Head to Gusgen Mines and join up.
Depending on how many people are around and such, you should get good XP/hour for your level off the pages. [The page caps at 1320 exp, for killing only 6 Skeleton mobs.]
You could probably also solo this, if no parties are going on. You may need to be around level 18 though. Eventually someone else may come along, team up, and keep expanding.

If you're 30+ you can usually do the same with Garlaige Citadel.
Page 2 in Garlaige caps at 2320 exp, and is also fairly popular on most servers.

I personally took my BST from 15 to 30 in Gusgen, and 30 to 66 in Garlaige.
It's not very difficult, and the jobs that actually require gear to perform well only have to buy level 30/40 gear once, due to level syncs.

As far as Gil is concerned, you should earn more than enough to keep yourself afloat with the game-day page gil.
If you get the chance to claim and open Brown chests when they drop, high chance of getting something to either NPC or AH for good money. In my Garlaige parties, I found the Dispel Automaton attachment which sold for 500k on Shiva at the time. You'll also find things such as Elixirs which NPC fairly high. [Around 8k I believe?]

Noobs who think they have it hard NOW should really be thankful, the game just keeps getting easier at all levels.
A year or two ago, noobs had to solo/duo their way up for the most part, and it was MUCH slower than it is now, and actually required a couple risks depending on job to get decent exp.

I'm returning player and never had an issue. This game was never really unsoloable. It just took longer. I'm on the same server I was on and re met friends. Plus i rekindled my relationship with my former ex bf. (yay) I also made new ones. This game always had elitism issues. Can be people be a bit more friendly and helpful? sure. But this game isn't that horrific. I seen worst communities. LIke Aion, I tried asking for help on thaat game only to be troll'ed, bullied, told off, called out for asking for a guild at level 10 stating i had to be level 25. (player rule not game rule) I never found any help to learn the game or how to make money. I never conneted with anyone. I left after 6months of trying.

World of warcraft also has a less then desireable community. But not everyone is bad.

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I have come to find out that the community in-game is not helpful or friendly one bit. They seem to be very clique oriented and will IGNORE you because you do not have 7 jobs to 90 or have not been playing for 8 years like them. Not to mention the language barrier cuts the already dwindling population of people online even further (The other half are gil farmers.)

IF YOU ARE THINKING OF STARTING BACK I RECOMMEND YOU CONSIDER THIS:

You will need to solo the majority of a game NOT MEANT for soloing. You will not be able to do missions, get a subjob before level 30+ (normally lvl18), level at any respectable rate, and forget about unlocking jobs because it more than likely will not happen without paying people in-game HUGE amounts of gil (YOU WILL BE DIRT POOR) or unless you have been lucky enough to get into a linkshell but even then that promises nothing.

Its funny how a dying games community can be so shallow and cold towards new players. You would think that they would appreciate new players more since it keeps all their level 90 jobs somewhat relevant and keeps THEIR game populated. Instead its just the opposite its about who you know rather than what you know or do that makes or breaks you in this game currently and it will only get worse by the day.

If soloing a un-soloable game is your thing, play this game. If being ignored by other players because they do not know you is your thing, play this game. If playing a game where you can not unlock anything solo but a chocobo at the appropriate level is your thing, play this game. If not, I suggest you play WoW (a game you can solo if needed and can actually find a party) or even... FFXIV, which I have not played yet and with this SE game experience will more than likely not.

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I am really sorry this happened to you, if I was still playing (quit because of this retarded new payment system) I would invite you to come play on my server with me, my LS and I...we take care of our own, in fact we actually enjoy helping new people. Really sorry this happened to you, sounds like you just got screwed and unlucky. =\

First off, "LOL" I havn't been back to these forums in a while (Been playing FFXI :o) and there are 104 replies xDDD. I didn't mean to stir up anything guys I wrote this originally out of frustration and my opinions expressed originally were a bit off. (I have not read all the post and also will not because I know its mostly flame) After playing the game a while (BLM-19, WHM-10, THF-30, WAR-15, MNK-13, PLD-24, BST-2 xD, RDM-14) I've gotten 3 total parties (Gusgen, Dunes, Qufim) so far, and no linkshell.

This game is worth trying out if you never played it before or if your computer can not handle FFXIV.

Pros:
More EXP
A lot of items that used to be 1m+ are now a fraction of what they were.
HUGE AMOUNT OF CONTENT
Level sync


Cons:
Population
Starting a fresh character (Money and you will out level your gear pretty quick)
Hard to find a linkshell
Might take a bit to find a party
People would rather play with themselves than others (They make a separate account so they can dualbox with it, to farm Abyssea)


This is all a new player really has to worry about from what I've noticed in the game. I didn't mean for this thing to snowball out of control I figured people would just ignore it and move on. For everyone who might have gotten offended somehow I apologize again. <Take Care> everyone.

Also new players should come to Odin :o since its the best server out there.

PS Send me a /tell in-game if you (meaning anyone who needs it) need help. OR a LS :DD

Sorry again

I'm also new to the game and I'm currently on Odin, do you guys have a linkshell?

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I want to add also that struggling new players is not a new occurrence and I don't want people thinking I am just 'whining' and bashing. I like/want to like this game and I am pretty determined to MAKE it work. Their are just glaring faults that frustrated me a bit.

@Zelke - You should come to Odin if your not heavily invested in your server yet like I am. I only have a 20 THF so the other 5 starting jobs are fair game :P. I can also help out a bit on starting gear and what-not. Also, I was in Valkrum earlier looking for help with getting my subjob items and there was only 21 people there (11 of them were 45+ x_X) and no one would help I even tried to bribe some to no avail xD.

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time and place ill be there if still needing people

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I'm also new to the game and I'm currently on Odin, do you guys have a linkshell?

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no wish i could find someone willing to take a noob like me

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no wish i could find someone willing to take a noob like me

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Maybe us newbs should bind together and start our own LS. I'm loving the game so far (just hit lvl 30 Warr) but it gets boring with no one to run around and chat with.

Thanks for the adviuce. I just got back on after a two year layoff. I hope to have fun like I did way back when. Luckly I have a RDM at 70 and a SAM 59, so I hope I can lvl and get some missions done.

I don't know about your server but I met two very helpful high level players today and it was my first day so it might just be your server.

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I don't know about your server but I met two very helpful high level players today and it was my first day so it might just be your server.

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LOLAsuraLOL, good luck with that.

Best thing for older players to do if they want to help newer people is to actually populate the three nations instead of huddling at Port Jeuno and complaining about how bored they are and why aren't there any decent shouts? Part of the problem is that no one wants to do anything if there's no direct benefit for them, even as an older player, you know how hard it is to convince some one to do low level BCNMs with?

I hate to actually to say this but get any newbie to La Theine Plateau and travel to each abyssea maws... they would have NO problem doing GoV at Gungsten Mines then moving on to Abyssea to level. (strickly leveling)

I know when I'm able, I help people do story missions, genkai, or WSNMs many times over. Just have to be proactive in being welcoming to newbies and help them.... it's as easy as it actually sounds if people just do it.

i read the first two or three post i find it sad back in the day i use to adopt taru players that were new i took a year off and came back and dont do any end game i been leveling all jobs to 50 for subjobs i got pld war and blm 85 (have not uncapped and dont really care to til im done with my leveling) im on shiva and need something to do when things get slow and helping new players dont take jack for time if you know what your doing and they have done all they can on there own and know how to travel fast if you wanna get going look me up when im online i have 6 chars axlzero, acezero, lilnuker, outrider, madpoofinger, and redsonya the last 4 are mules i use for moolge lotto and extra gear storage and auction house selling. i work strange hours so i might be gone for a week here and there but when im on i can play for hours. unless im haveing a lax day where im afkish a lot i dont hang in port jeuno there is things in the game you can always be doing and most if the time im doing them

I read the first few posts of this until I got to Runespiders comment and I have to disagree with her. Though I can see her point, the community in Shiva compared to Alexander has taken a dramatic turn for the worst. I originally came from Alexander and moved to Shiva after a two year long break. In Alexander, I made many many great friends who I still talk to outside of game that were willing to help you at any time. They would drop whatever they were doing to help it seemed. So much that it turned me into the helpful player I am today. Given there are still lots of players willing to help, most ignore you nowadays. Even in my own linkshell, I am often ignored when I ask for help, even though I have helped those same players many times. Often times I have to offer payment in Jeuno, which I never had to do before btw. Its not just that either, its the fact that people don't even respond 90% of the time. If someone asks for help in my Linkshell, I give them a reason I can;t help such as camping an NM or in a party. But at least I respond to them.

I seen someone bring up page burns and aby leveling. I wouldn't even mind Aby 75+. Its the page burns and Level 30 leechers thats got me rattled. Players that are new to FFXI and got 90's in just a few days generally do not know how to use their jobs/very unskilled and can't land a spell or a hit, then they quit because they're bored after getting a 90. I don't blame them. A major part of the game was destroyed and the freaking awesome community that I loved for some reason is nonexistant anymore. This game no longer has a sense of accomplishment to it, its just simply played.

Maybe I also need to switch servers like some suggest here.

Hey guys, i just wanted to say that your not alone. There are many players who will help, unfortunitly, there are plenty more that stand around and offer nothing when they can spare five minutes for another person. Ive been on this game for about three years now, and do to unemployment and a ffxi addiction I've been able crush this game 100x to the point that I'm extremly well geared and completed everything in the game expect hunting a few Notorious Monsters (AV,PW) and completing a mythic or relic (have empyrean, very easy to trio).

My point is that I always help new players and I am keenly aware that new players are the key to future of any game so fyi I treat new players like gold. Sadly, in my three years of play I've echoed your feelings of no help the whole time. It also seems that its become harder for electing help, these days I dont require much outside assistance but I know how much help a new player needs. I was around 28 level when I got my first sub job, btw. I seriously hope more veteran players read this and consider spending an hour a week helping new players. I suggest shouting in Port Jueno once you get there, and definitly looking for a linkshell that can help you with common goals/achievements. Also, when you meet players that are willing to help, request them as friends. Just as in real life, dont ask these people for everything and anything, but attempt to solo stuff on your own and if you need help request some from your new veteran friends. I admit, if I'm repeatedly asked to assist by the same person over and over I'm not going to because I feel spent and I've seen new playhers not come back so my time invested is for naught. So that's why I suggest trying to meet other people that can assist you and spreading out the help onto more than one person so you can get stuff done and not always depend on that one decent veteran to help.

That said, perhaps you might be able to get to Crawler's Nest. My server is packed with players and there's a book which has grounds of valor in the crawler's nest. Usually low level (around 40-50) party up in Crawler's Nest doing books, there can be up to an alliance at times burning up this area. I suggest to you that you pop your head in there and ask the party leader if you can leech (you dont need be 40-50 to do this if leader is willing to let you, tell him your situation.) Also, if you find a few veterans or a linkshell that has veterans perhaps you can get into an abyssea party at 30+ and leech that. I let noobs actually leech abyssea from time to time over veteran players, because a veteran doesnt need me to leech them yet a new player does need leeching help. Also, as a new player you should familiarise yourself with some of the xp camps in the dunes and quifim island (which is a great place to xp on worms at full pt at 19/20 level or a decent balanced trio 23ish with sub jobs).

Its a lot of work, but if you really hope to strick around try some of these and getting internet access to the wiki is a life changer. There are also other websites you can use such as ffxiah.com. I usually give gil to new players also, regretably you observation is correct it is who you know in this game and the player base doesnt have the right attitude in my opinion towards new players, I see you as a means to strengthen the game I love, and not someone to be spoken down to or ignored. This attitude also reflects how most of us behave in real life too, so go figure.

Perhaps SE might consider having one GM per server get on a regular character and invite all the new players for some epic level sync xp, I've personally hosted pts for new players just because I've about cried seeing 10 new players looking for party and nobody getting invites. Come to Bismarck, send me a tell. I'll put you under my wing and introduce you to a guy who does nothing but help new and old players. It is possible to get somewhere in this game as a new player, I recently helped one a few months back by letting them leech, they have since gotten their Shinryu access (thats the abyssea storyline clear/win), rank 10 and a few level 90 jobs. Trust me when I say it, you just need to find a way over the first few hurdles, the rest is a frustratingly bumpy ride downhill but worth it ^^ {/wave} I still can't get help myself, I'm offering 3-5k for a tele and can't get at times lol, so I know a person with limited resources is in a tighter spto but if you like the game stay and fight for it.

I think the difference really lies in you first month playing, if you meet people or get discouraged. I lost my friends and linkshells along the way and was a loner for awhile, now I know lots of people and enough linkshell mates or friends here to do just about anything til 99 endgame. My linkshell leader made a good point the other day too, we can take a new player and get him/her top gear fairly easy with the introduction of Abyssea, but people good hearted people and people with brains is the key to a successful linkshell. So you really just should focus on one job for now and level that to 90 in order to better help yourself get what it is that you want and to be a lil more independent (independent my friend, not solo like you're being forced into).

White mage is probly your best bet if you want to get into an abyssea pt w/o a veteran's help. The spells are somewhat cheap compared to other mage jobs and you dont have to process weakness as much in a empyrean amor pt, plus you only need a few spells to start out for xp. You can do this at around 41/42 when White mage gets cure 4(attempt abyssea leeching without knowing someone). Granted not everyone will let you in but some leaders won't mind so long as you can cure 4 from time to time.

I'll be glad to check back here occasionally to answer any questions you might have that i might be of some help to you. About the sub job items, try getting into a pt in the dunes if you cant get someone to help you, at least in this respect you can get 2/3 items you need just from doing crabs and flies and fields of valor in an xp pt there and then you'll only need help with the magick skull (which a good thf should be able to get for you in no time, even off a skeleten at night in the dunes they drop it too) Take care and enjoy, I'll be hoping that you stay but understand if you don't.

Yes the game has changed to playing versus accomplishment, but im holding out hope that things will balance once 99 endgame forms. The game is in a transition to this, unfortunitly communication about the future isn't clear (yes theres roadmaps but it would be helpful if SE said flat out that their vision for 99 is a combo of casual play and hardcore endgame with or without a final add-on.

About the 75+ new players gimps, if they quit because they've accomplished enough let them go they were not meant for ffxi anyway so no loss there and maybe they will find the game they really want to be in. We need 75+ new player gimps, because there is really no pts 30-75 anymore outside abyssea so it makes sense to get them to 75+ fast and then fix the problem post 75. A day or two skilling up outside abyssea, a return to abyssea with skills 200-250+ and finally cap skills in abyssea then is a simple solution. Nobody wants to grind xp like the old days, even though it was educational, the new education starts at 75+ in abyssea.

@Concerned I agree however they took something out that kept people around. I do want to grind levels in a party again, because thats what FFXI was. You know that. Book burns do not show people how to use thier jobs, and I have been killed countless times because a party member did not spend the two weeks afterwards skilling up or know how to use thier jobs, especially our mages. :p

Players Don't really consider any off this usually as a player playing any game even ffxi we try too figure how too play the game we are no one too tell anyone consider this first too be honest its the 1st expression of anything that make it worthwhile and hey if they want too keep playing thats a bonus i support them.